Is there literally no place for traditional cuckold stories on Lit?

[PierceDe]

You guys got me so confused which genre my novel The Type fits into....
1. Married couple loves each other, or so they each think they do despite doubting themselves and one another.
2. They're both mostly aware of the other spouse's extramarital activities, and set rules and agreements (with some covert violations)
3. They're both humiliated in ways by the other, sometimes intentionally and reciprocally
4. They both watch the other with a paramour

 

[Lifestyle66]

You guys got me so confused which genre my novel The Type fits into....
1. Married couple loves each other, or so they each think they do despite doubting themselves and one another.
2. They're both mostly aware of the other spouse's extramarital activities, and set rules and agreements (with some covert violations)
3. They're both humiliated in ways by the other, sometimes intentionally and reciprocally
4. They both watch the other with a paramour

I couldn't tell from a bullet list such as this where the story belongs.

It all depends on the dominant theme within the story. Is the supposedly "loving" couple a blip mentioned in the beginning, then the story focuses on Black-on-White over, and over, again, and again? Then Inter-racial might be more appropriate.

Is the story about swingers who have a misunderstanding, and they seek some kind of revenge with one attempt to "humiliate" their spouse? Loving Wives may be the best (although don't expect 5-stars.)

Or is the dominant theme the humiliation, and is it repeatedly malicious and sadistic? That may best go to BDSM.

I wrote one story years ago about a swinger misunderstanding, and the wife's attempt to humiliate her husband:
"A Hard Lesson" "A swinger couple's adventures can be humiliating."
It didn't work well for her. The story has 40K views, but is rated 3.16/260.

 

[PierceDe]

I couldn't tell from a bullet list such as this where the story belongs.

It all depends on the dominant theme within the story. Is the supposedly "loving" couple a blip mentioned in the beginning, then the story focuses on Black-on-White over, and over, again, and again? Then Inter-racial might be more appropriate.

Is the story about swingers who have a misunderstanding, and they seek some kind of revenge with one attempt to "humiliate" their spouse? Loving Wives may be the best (although don't expect 5-stars.)

Or is the dominant theme the humiliation, and is it repeatedly malicious and sadistic? That may best go to BDSM.

I wrote one story years ago about a swinger misunderstanding, and the wife's attempt to humiliate her husband:
"A Hard Lesson" "A swinger couple's adventures can be humiliating."
It didn't work well for her. The story has 40K views, but is rated 3.16/260.

That makes me more confused but you've got a great story premise there. Will look.

 

[Britva415]

the DSM disagrees with your assessment of masochism and sadism being kinks

This is like saying that because alcoholism is in the DSM, there is nobody who can drink like a gentleman.

Just because there is such a disorder, and some people might even have it, doesn't mean that it can't also be enjoyed with health by someone else.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

But they MUST love it, or everyone is kink-shaming!!!"

If you label a kink as a mental disorder, yeah—I’ll call it kink-shaming, which is way worse than your inability to understand that what I’m asking here isn’t about adoring or embracing my cuckold stories. All I want is for dickheads like you to stay away from one-bombing and leaving nasty comments just because it happens to be a different type of LW story than what you want or are used to reading. I’ve explained to you repeatedly how stupid this behavior is. It’s like someone who doesn’t like mom/son sex complaining about why a mom/son story was posted under incest instead of their favorite stepfather/daughter sub-category.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

And it's also not kink shaming to point that out. There are Cuckolding stories, which do perfectly fine in LW, because they are about mutual fun and enjoyment. As I commented before, write a story about a guy who thinks his wife is beautiful and likes to see her in the throes of passion, and you're golden. That's a legitimate kink.

There lies the problematic attitude you guys have. YOU DON’T represent the entire LW audience, and how dare you dictate what kind of LW stories we authors have to write. And again… LET ME REPEAT… what the husband experiences in cuckold stories is not cruelty—it’s pleasure. He fucking loves it. Go to Reddit and check out the subreddits cuckoldstories and cuckoldstories2. You’ll find countless real-life accounts of cucks who derive pleasure from being humiliated in this lifestyle.

And a legitimate kink? Who the hell are you to decide that?

 

[TheNovelist2000]

And it's also not kink shaming to point that out. There are Cuckolding stories, which do perfectly fine in LW, because they are about mutual fun and enjoyment. As I commented before, write a story about a guy who thinks his wife is beautiful and likes to see her in the throes of passion, and you're golden. That's a legitimate kink.
But write a story about a sadistic woman and bull who derive pleasure from hurting a masochist, then you'll have a problem. Because those are not kinks. And the vast majority of readers are not sadists or masochists themselves.

It's like with the NC/R category. There are "rape" stories that are born from a place where authors and readers just want to dwell in power fantasies, which are perfectly fine on this site. And then there are RAPE stories, where authors and readers get off on the sadistic pleasure of hurting and traumatizing a victim, which (ideally) get rejected here. Which I also fail to see as kink shaming, because, again, sadism is also not a kink

The vast majority of readers are not sadists or masochists? So what? That doesn’t mean cuckold stories don’t belong in LW. And sadism isn’t a kink? Yes, it is—just ask the entire BDSM community; they’ll disagree with you. What’s next? Are you going to claim we can “shock” gays to make them straight? Give antipsychotics to panties lovers?

You have a very skewed understanding of the DSM-5. You know those manuals aren’t for people like you to pick up and start diagnosing others—they’re for trained psychologists and psychiatrists. Even with a pinch of medical literacy, you’d understand that each sexual disorder listed in the manual has strict criteria that must be met, and most require a significant impairment in clinical, social, or other important areas for the diagnosis to be valid. Simply meeting the criteria isn’t enough; it must be accompanied by physical assessments to rule out organic causes, and only after necessary tests are performed can someone legitimately be diagnosed with a mental disorder.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

Exhibitionism? Fantasizing about doing outrageous shit, without having to worry about consequences, can be extremely exciting. Nothing weird or concerning about that.
Voyeurism? Same deal. Perfectly normal. There's a reason why EVERY show where a male teenager gains invisibility at some point uses it to sneak into the girl's locker room, or the neighbor's bathroom to watch the hot milf shower.
Trans stories? How old are you that you think that even belongs into the DSM!? Being attracted to physical attributes, be it tits, asses, feet, or "Chicks with dicks", has nothing "deranged" about it.
Even hardcore BDSM. The brain chemistry behind it is actually pretty simple, and it's rather easy to understand how pain can lead to pleasure once you get behind the whole dopamine/endorphin mechanism.

No, you couldn't construe every kink on this site into a mental disorder. Just those that ARE mental disorders, whether you want to see it that way or not.

Honey! I am just listing all the disorders your pretty little book includes. You are contradicting yourself here. Your stupid manual considers these as disorders. I listed them so you could see how wrong you were when you said sadism or deriving humiliation from cuckold stories are mental disorders just because your DSM says so.

 

[Lifestyle66]

If you label a kink as a mental disorder, yeah—I’ll call it kink-shaming, which is way worse than your inability to understand that what I’m asking here isn’t about adoring or embracing my cuckold stories. All I want is for dickheads like you to stay away from one-bombing and leaving nasty comments just because it happens to be a different type of LW story than what you want or are used to reading. I’ve explained to you repeatedly how stupid this behavior is. It’s like someone who doesn’t like mom/son sex complaining about why a mom/son story was posted under incest instead of their favorite stepfather/daughter sub-category.

First of all, I'm not kink-shaming! I never said anything about the DSM or about mental disorder! You obviously can't read and remember who said what!

I merely pointed out to the ignorant that according to Google, sadism is enjoying inflicting pain and humiliation on others!!!

And getting sexual pleasure out of BEING HUMILIATED is a masochist!

The wife in the story I linked for you, and you applauded is, by definition, a sadist!!!!

That is an inconvenient TRUTH!

There was no "love" in that story, BECUASE there was no character development to give any other context to their relationship!!! It was just scene after scene of her and her Black lover humiliating him for you to stroke to.

If you want your story better received by the readers, try posting it in BDSM, where sadism and masochism is supposed to be and stop your HATEFUL posts here blaming everyone else for not loving YOUR selfish and clueless definitions!

And if you want someone to take the time to READ your story, then be prepared to take whatever they think of it, where ever you've shoved it!

When you throw shit into a fan, be prepared for what you deserve. Stop blaming the fan!

 

[Lifestyle66]

On another note for the rest of the readers in this thread, here's a thought about writing stories and kinks.

If the story is just a few scenes of sexual situations, it's a stroker. The type of sex and the relationships in those scenes is all the reader has for which to react. If they don't like that kink or extra-marital sex, they'll obviously HATE a story with any extra-martial sex or just that kink, ... if that's all you give them. With no context for anything else, such as character development to show WHY they are where they are in the scene, all the reader has are the words we give them.

Shouting at the wind and trying to tell us here in the AH how unfair it is that they 1-bomb the story is ... stupid. We can't change how the reader feels about an ignorant stroker story!

The ONLY way to even attempt to get a better rating is to show the reader with more words how the characters get into the situation. And that development must be something the reader can relate to and accept. Even then, not all readers will accept it. But without good character development, you get what you deserve when taking shortcuts.

I wrote two LW stories which show this:
"Pavlov's Dog -- 750 Words" is a short scene where the wife is coming home from her latest affair to her angry husband. It's rated 2.29/818 with 46 angry comments. And deservedly so!

Then I wrote background with:
"Raging Hormones" where the whole story explains how the wife wasn't keeping up with her husband's sexual needs, and she went on hormone therapy to try pleasing him. It ends with the same Pavlov's Dog story scene. It's rated 3.17/517 with 28 comments.

EDIT: The readers might get out of both stories that she's a cheating slut. But in the longer character developed story, some readers appreciate that she's a loving wife who took the hormones FOR her husband's pleasure, and now he can't keep up with her in overdrive! But he angrily accepts her behavior, knowing she's doing it for him.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

There lies the problematic attitude you guys have. YOU DON’T represent the entire LW audience, and how dare you dictate what kind of LW stories we authors have to write. And again… LET ME REPEAT… what the husband experiences in cuckold stories is not cruelty—it’s pleasure. He fucking loves it. Go to Reddit and check out the subreddits cuckoldstories and cuckoldstories2. You’ll find countless real-life accounts of cucks who derive pleasure from being humiliated in this lifestyle.

And a legitimate kink? Who the hell are you to decide that?

Okay, this is getting ridiculous. At this point, I can only imagine you as a five-year-old girl, stomping your feet while demanding for the other kids in the kindergarten to sing for you.
Have you already forgotten what you wrote in your first post of this thread? Have you not seen the dozens of threads about the very same issue that get created every month? Let me reiterate it one more time, and then withdraw myself from this thread.

It is THE READERS who do most of the curating on this site. It is THE READERS who use their comments and votes to either encourage or discourage authors from posting their stories. It is THE READERS who tell us what THEY want.

And, apparently, THEY don't want to read hardcore cuckolding stories in LW.

You can write whatever the hell you want! But if you want to post hardcore cuckolding stories, either move them into another category, or move yourself to another site. You will not get to change the readership. Literotica will not help you change the readership, because it's THE READERS they make money off. No amount of bitching and moaning will change that.

If you truly want to change something about this, start an author movement. Band together with all the other cuckold authors and FLOOD LW with hardcore cuckolding stuff. Drown out the BTB faction to the point where the readers have to sift through dozens of stories they consider garbage before finding something they actually want, and HOPE they'll get so annoyed with it all that THEY move to another site.

I don't think Literotica will be fine with you organizing a movement to drive away part of their customer base (and I highly doubt there even are enough of you to pull this off), but that's how you solve the problem. Not with bitching like a spoiled little princess, but by actually doing something.
OR... You can just grow the hell up and accept that not everybody will have the same interests as you, and just be happy for the readers who appreciate what you write while ignoring the ones who don't.

ETA: Just took a quick count on the stories posted to LW over the last 7 days. It seems to me the category already is 94% cheating/cuckolding stories. Some of them with ratings above a 4, but those are, of course, the type of stories I already told you TWICE will do fine in LW, because they are about MUTUAL fun and enjoyment. So, maybe your movement doesn't need to be as big. You just need to find people who don't throw tamper tantrums when getting bad ratings.

 

[Lifestyle66]

There are not too many, even among the LW cuckold lovers who want to read about sadistic exploitation. They don't see or feel any "loving spouse" in it.

When they feel bad by the end of the story, the LW audience tends to rate it badly.

 

[NoTalentHack]

It is THE READERS who do most of the curating on this site. It is THE READERS who use their comments and votes to either encourage or discourage authors from posting their stories. It is THE READERS who tell us what THEY want.

And, apparently, THEY don't want to read hardcore cuckolding stories in LW.

@TheNovelist2000
To give some apples-to-apples numbers to this, here's some analysis I did a year ago regarding three stories of mine published within a month of each other, copied from a comment on a similar thread:

I can, including one cuckold story and several cheating stories. I went into the disparate number of views and variance in ratings between the various types in my essay last year. TL;DR: anything that's not marital drama does a LOT less traffic than the marital drama stuff. In addition, anything that's labeled as a cuckold story has views that are basically in the toilet.

Looking at Kayfabe (my sole, relatively mild cuckolding story, published 1/23/23), it has ~26K views and a rating of 3.91 on the back of ~700 votes. Shouldering the Burden (reconciliation marital drama/lifelong love story, published 2/1/23) has 82K views and 4.41 stars with 3.5K votes. No Place to Go (confession letter from a dead wife leads to a straight-up agonyfest, published 1/8/23) has 130K views and 4.58 stars/5.8K ratings.

If the theory is that there's a whole cavalcade of folks shame-reading cuckolding stories, then downvoting them... let's say that I can't see them in the numbers. The small dive I made into it looking at what I could glean from other folks' story stats didn't seem to bear it out, either. There's a huge hunger for the marital drama stuff, a small (for the category, still pretty large compared to some of the sleeper categories) hunger for cuckolding stories, and probably a relatively minor overlap between the two readerships. However, because there are SO many more folks that want the marital drama stuff, even a fraction of folks hatereading the cuck stuff drags the numbers way down.

Are there some folks that read the cuckold stuff to feel the same visceral humiliation/anger they get from the BTB stuff (or vice versa)? Yeah, probably. Is it anything like a big percentage? Signs point to "no."

Just to give some updated numbers on the three stories:

No Place to Go - 4.58 stars on 6630 ratings, 154.1K views
Kayfabe - 3.9 stars on 778 ratings, 32.4K views
Shouldering the Burden - 4.41 rating on 3997 ratings, 100.2K views

There are readers there for cuck stories, but they are absolutely drowned out by people there for other stuff, even though, as OverconfidentSarcasm pointed out, 90%+ of the stories on a given day are some form of swapping/sharing/cuck stories. You can put the stuff there, but if the readers don't want it, they don't want it, regardless of whether you think they should based on the description of the category.

 

[CalBishForNow]

I'm sick of the Loving Wives crowd going crazy every time someone writes a cuckold story. They always leave the same comments: the cuck isn’t a man, has no spine, or isn’t really masculine. Or they go further, saying the author is sick, twisted, or should be erased from the face of the earth. Often it’s that the wife should be thrown into Azkaban and the bull castrated.

...

So, where should authors who like to write hardcore cuckold stories upload, for the audience that does exist and is looking forward to that kind of content.

This crazy thread (maybe "crazy" is the wrong word, considering how focused it has been on the DSM, but anyways), made me curious enough to check out your Author page. Focusing on the three in LW:

1. Beneath the Marital Veil Ch. 1: I'd say it's at most 60 percent LW, at least 40 percent BDSM. Oddly, most of the D/S games for the husband are by the narrator, not the wife. She and the third person narrator say/think bad stuff about the husband but are (more or less) outwardly civil. Then there's the bull being really dominant and humiliating her.
2. Beneath the Marital Veil Ch. 2-3: All BDSM, duh. There's a couple hundred words describing the husband doing sexual stuff more or less normally, but that's all the after-the-fact backstory about his side of a "bargain." In the opening scene, he's being put in a cock cage. For everything the narrative and characters focus on, he's in the cage, tied up hand and foot, or both.
3. Nikki's First Bull: Ch. 1-8: I assume this thread was started based on initial negative reaction to this story. It's hard to say too much, both because I only skimmed the story - it's longer than usual for me - and because you say it's just the start yourself. But based on what's there, it seems to be heading in the same direction as the first two.

In all three of those the wife and the narrative seem to have no respect for the husband as a person. Forget about gender roles for a minute; I see no reason to think he's actually enjoying the events he's finding himself in, the wife seems to enjoy that, and there isn't much for readers to enjoy other than his humiliation either.

Stories featuring cuckoldry and cheating often don't do well because the LW audience is more like three or four audiences in one, which I agree is a problem. That being said, it's definitely possible to write stories involving cuckoldry and cheating where the husband enjoys what's going on and the relationship is arguably healthy. Here's one example, and here's another. Yours aren't.

 

[Lifestyle66]

I wrote a story for Loving Wives about a truly loving wife.

She was a virgin when they married, and her husband was jealous of his friends at work describing their wives' wild college adventures before marriage. Because his wife didn't have such stories, he encouraged her to go out as a hot wife, just so he could pretend she had a wild past.

Hot Wife-ing Gone Wrong
A reluctant couple find it isn't for everyone.

In LW, it rates 3.77/481 votes.

Some who like cuckold stories want to be able to put themselves into the husband's place and try to understand why they'd want to do it. In this story, they can more comfortably see why they may or may not want to be there. In this, the husband isn't being humiliated, except for what he did to cause his wife's angry reaction.

Edit: This wife is not a sadist, merely outraged at her husband. And he's not a masochist, because he doesn't like it and doesn't enjoy the results.

 

[sirhugs]

I wrote a story for Loving Wives about a truly loving wife.

She was a virgin when they married, and her husband was jealous of his friends at work describing their wives' wild college adventures before marriage. Because his wife didn't have such stories, he encouraged her to go out as a hot wife, just so he could pretend she had a wild past.

Hot Wife-ing Gone Wrong
A reluctant couple find it isn't for everyone.

In LW, it rates 3.77/481 votes.

Some who like cuckold stories want to be able to put themselves into the husband's place and try to understand why they'd want to do it. In this story, they can more comfortably see why they may or may not want to be there. In this, the husband isn't being humiliated, except for what he did to cause his wife's angry reaction.

Edit: This wife is not a sadist, merely outraged at her husband. And he's not a masochist, because he doesn't like it enjoy the results.

sounds like a story that I'd enjoy.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

In all three of those the wife and the narrative seem to have no respect for the husband as a person. Forget about gender roles for a minute; I see no reason to think he's actually enjoying the events he's finding himself in, the wife seems to enjoy that, and there isn't much for readers to enjoy other than his humiliation either.

I do agree that the wife in the first two stories was pretty harsh on the husband, but he was supposed to warm up to the idea in the sequels—which never happened. Lol! However, I disagree with your assessment of Nikki’s First Bull (understandably, since you admitted you didn’t read it carefully). In that story, Nikki only started cucking Paul because he came when she sarcastically told him she wouldn’t wear panties on the first date with the guy her father wanted her to see, after Paul had earlier rebuked her for seeming interested in the new guy (which she wasn’t at the time). She began to enjoy the new guy’s touches and daring acts later, becoming more eager, but she still discussed everything with Paul and even retold every detail so he could jerk off to their story—her teasing continuing all the way to maximize his enjoyment. My frustration is that even with such a soft approach (which isn’t my usual style) written to please the LW crowd, there were still plenty of people upset with it. It seems that, for some in that crowd, any touch from another man—unless it fulfills their selfish fantasy—is seen as disrespectful and unloving.

 

[CalBishForNow]

I do agree that the wife in the first two stories was pretty harsh on the husband, but he was supposed to warm up to the idea in the sequels—which never happened. Lol!

1. Why was he supposed to warm up to the idea? Because he's so naturally weak and pathetic that tying him up and caging him is a good way to express love to him? There's something wrong with that, you see it, right?
2. If you wrote the sequels and published them in BDSM or Fetish, they might do well, I don't know. But they wouldn't belong in Loving Wives.

However, I disagree with your assessment of Nikki’s First Bull (understandably, since you admitted you didn’t read it carefully). In that story, Nikki only started cucking Paul because he came when she sarcastically told him she wouldn’t wear panties on the first date with the guy her father wanted her to see, after Paul had earlier rebuked her for seeming interested in the new guy (which she wasn’t at the time). She began to enjoy the new guy’s touches and daring acts later, becoming more eager, but she still discussed everything with Paul and even retold every detail so he could jerk off to their story—her teasing continuing all the way to maximize his enjoyment.

You say he's enjoying it, but that's not what we see. We see Paul having a moment or two of normal, human, weakness, and Nikki prying it open and rubbing salt in the wound. You tell us that he's enjoying it, but you show him being miserable.

Three times in my comment I referred to the narrative or narrator separate from the characters, you might notice. In Beneath the Marital Veil, it's kind of hard to distinguish because of the perspective used, but if Anne isn't full of disdain for Luca, then the narrator is. In Nikki's First Bull, we follow Paul's perspective, and we still have him masturbating alone into the dirt. The same scene could have been written as erotically charged if he was enjoying it. It wasn't.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

1. Why was he supposed to warm up to the idea? Because he's so naturally weak and pathetic that tying him up and caging him is a good way to express love to him? There's something wrong with that, you see it, right?
2. If you wrote the sequels and published them in BDSM or Fetish, they might do well, I don't know. But they wouldn't belong in Loving Wives.

Anne is a bitch, and she is cucking him for her pleasure. I agree with that. It's sort of an involuntary cuckolding like the old-fashioned way. I agree with the argument that there are a lot of BDSM elements in it. So, let's get the BDSM part out of the way. Here is the question. If we flip the tables, and let's say someone writes a story where the wife is sort of coerced into fulfilling the husband's extramarital fantasy or doing it to please her husband, would you still accept it in LW? Or is it only become unacceptable when the husband is the one who is not benefiting from the dynamic?

 

[TheNovelist2000]

and we still have him masturbating alone into the dirt.

That has nothing to do with the cuckold dynamic. He is masturbating in the dirt simply because they are following societal norms—no sex before marriage. In fact, I would go so far as to say that secretly masturbating after lying to his girl that he was just going to pee would often be seen as taking advantage of her in the society he was in. If anyone is taking advantage of someone, it would be Paul, who is getting off on his girl without her consent.

When the cuckold dynamic actually begins, Nikki does everything he asks her to do. First, she follows through with her sarcastic threats—going without panties or holding his hand—because she realizes he gets excited by it. After that, she pretty much does whatever he says. When he tells her to wear panties for the second date, she does it. When he tells her to let him watch her leave with another man, she does it. When he asks her to tell him stories about being with someone else, she does it. So why is she the villain here? All the denial and teasing are things she does because Paul is getting off on it

 

[lc69hunter]

It depends upon what you consider traditional cuckolding. The term has been used and abused to so many different scenarios that the question has no easy answer, because if you ask ten individuals, you will get at least seven or eight different opinions as to what "traditional" cuckolding is.

A lot of what shows up in LW actually belongs in Fetish or BDSM, as there is no longer a loving wife

 

[Dark_Kumiko]

I'm sick of the Loving Wives crowd going crazy every time someone writes a cuckold story. They always leave the same comments: the cuck isn’t a man, has no spine, or isn’t really masculine. Or they go further, saying the author is sick, twisted, or should be erased from the face of the earth. Often it’s that the wife should be thrown into Azkaban and the bull castrated.

But what if someone enjoys hardcore cuckold stories? What if they like the humiliation and degradation that come with their wife being taken by another man? Why do those stories have to be pushed out of the genre? As far as I understand, Loving Wives is the category most fitting for stories about women having sex with other men. It’s not fetish, not non-consent, not incest, not taboo.

As an author, I don’t really care about the negative comments under my stories. But as a reader, those kinds of extreme reactions scare off authors who might otherwise write that kind of content. And I’ve already noticed that it’s incredibly hard to find good cuckold stories on Literotica—and the reason is those commenters.

So, where should authors who like to write hardcore cuckold stories upload, for the audience that does exist and is looking forward to that kind of content.

I'm writing one, and the reason was the husband wasn't even human (it's a fantasy setting), and the story rating got bombed. Fun xD

And I've posted it in NN. Should I posted it in LW, instead?

Oh, well, I have posted my content on Patreon as backups, just in case if I want to purge it someday.

And let's see, maybe I'll just upload a clean romance. Clean. No kissing. No holding hands.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

I'm writing one, and the reason was the husband wasn't even human (it's a fantasy setting), and the story rating got bombed. Fun xD

And I've posted it in NN. Should I posted it in LW, instead? View attachment 2567915

Oh, well, I have posted my content on Patreon as backups, just in case if I want to purge it someday.

And let's see, maybe I'll just upload a clean romance. Clean. No kissing. No holding hands.

They have a non-human category, right? Or perhaps you can upload it to Sci-Fi & Fantasy.

 

[M_K_Babalon]

"Mina is moaning wildly as her Black stud fucks her. Her feet are waving wildly in the air once again from the force of Tyrone's bestial lovemaking. Her small hands have made it all the way down to his ass and are squeezing the flesh of his buttocks. Her wedding ring bearing the two-carat diamond that Yong-Jae presented to her nearly five years ago twinkles in the light."

I mean... how can you not read that and chuckle at how ridiculous it is?

What? Never happen to you?

 

[M_K_Babalon]

And there it is: all the narrow-mindedness, oversimplification, and aggression of those hillbillies wrapped up in a single sentence.

By that logic, incest obsession is a disorder too. Interracial’s racism is a disorder. Rape fascination in Non-Con and Mind Control is a disorder. Anal sex doesn’t exist in nature, nor does gay sex, would you call those a disorder too?

With the exception of Romance and Erotic Coupling, nearly every category and every kink is transgressive by nature, and if pushed to the extreme, could be called a disorder. Disorder drives erotica. Disorder is the core of any effective plot.

Humiliation, even when well hidden, is a common motive in almost every cheating story. Betrayal and humiliation are often intertwined. Those whiny hubbies in their popular tales take great pleasure in wallowing before finally taking action. But I guess the camel can’t see the hump in its own back.

Granting legitimacy to your own kinks while dismissing others’ is narrow-minded, childishly entitled, and hypocritical, if you ask me.

If we're gonna be talking about mental disorders, we moght as well add in that half of LW audience who clutches pearls and seeths at anytging not a btb. Actively sweking out something you hate and trying to mentally hurt the author over it, is some sort of sadomasichist bullshit.