Islam is a noble faith

[BotanyBoy]

I'm thinking not a one of these morons bothered to watch the linked video of George W. Bush.

Don't look now, but Saint Ronnie loved him some Muslims too.

https://www.youtube.com//watch?v=y3f9mlUQzJA

Socialized HC as well!! Don't forget a fan of raising taxes.

If St.Ronnie were around today he would be tarred and feathered right the fuck out of the GOP as a commie.

 

[BotanyBoy]

They are already fighting a major war - against each other. And as long as the Western nations don't do something stupid, like give them Western Ground troops to shoot at, they'll keep fighting each other and leave the rest of us alone.
Hell, even Israel knows this, which is why they've been busy staying out of the way.

Yea... butt....butt.... all the contracts....
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What's really important here? Where will the GOP get their paycheck from?

 

[KingOrfeo]

That would be sort of like FDR saying something like: "We are not at war with Nazism; we are at war with people who have perverted Nazism." What I am saying is that Islam has always been a religion of war and conquest, from the day Medina attacked Mecca. I'm not going to say anything good about any organized religion, but Islam is the worst, in that regard.

It doesn't matter because:

1. We can't be at war with Islam. Nazism was a thing that could be defeated and then it just went away. Soviet Communism was a thing that could be defeated and then it just went away. Islam is not going away. It is to dozens of countries what Christianity is to Europe and cultures derived from Europe. Today, one human being in five is a Muslim. 100 years ago, one human being in five was a Muslim. No matter what we do today, 100 years from now, one human being in five will be a Muslim.

2. We shouldn't be at war with Islam. In modern times, peaceful coexistence between the Muslims and the infidel world has always been possible except when Islamist radicals make trouble. (Or when Barbary pirates raid Western shipping, or Algerian nationalists rebel against French rule, etc., but those were fundamentally different kinds of problems/wars.) Those radicals alone are our enemies, and they are enemies whom we cannot defeat without the help of Muslim allies.

That is why it makes sense for Obama to deny that ISIS is "Islamic" -- all he means is that he perceives an important distinction between them and the mainstream of the Islamic community. That distinction is real, and an important one to draw, and to draw attention to.

 

[The_Trouvere]

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That is why it makes sense for Obama to deny that ISIS is "Islamic" -- all he means is that he perceives an important distinction between them and the mainstream of the Islamic community. That distinction is real, and an important one to draw, and to draw attention to.

The Islamic world will be in a lethal mood for at least another generation. It is in our interest to encourage Muslims to fight each other and to support those who do not hate us against those who do.

We should also support the weaker side against the stronger in order to prolong the conflict. We did this during the Iran - Iraq war. Consequently that war lasted eight years, and weakened two dangerous countries.

Because Muslims frequently have retrograde opinions we should not encourage the spread of democracy in the Islamic world. At the same time we should not be seen as defenders of unpopular dictators against popular resistance movements, as we were in Iran.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Christianity began as a religion of peace but, after a few hundred years, it became one of war.

Christianity began as an illegal underground religion but, after a few hundred years, it became a state religion.

I do not think the above pair of changes coincidental.

 

[KingOrfeo]

It is in our interest to encourage Muslims to fight each other and to support those who do not hate us against those who do.

We should also support the weaker side against the stronger in order to prolong the conflict.

Now, all of that cynical and heartless Realpolitik wouldn't be very Christian, would it?!

 

[The_Trouvere]

Now, all of that cynical and heartless Realpolitik wouldn't be very Christian, would it?!

If they don't kill each other they will kill us.

 

[PoppingTom]

If they don't kill each other they will kill us.

Maybe they'll kill racists like you. At last, this would just be fair.

 

[1sickbastard]

Maybe they'll kill racists like you. At last, this would just be fair.

Arabs are racists, but then so are Jews, Kurds, Turks, Persians, etc, etc, etc. Islam itself in pan ethnic & pan national, the way many religions tend to be.

Pop Quiz: What is the most populous, majority Islamic nation?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Arabs are racists, but then so are Jews, Kurds, Turks, Persians, etc, etc, etc. Islam itself in pan ethnic & pan national, the way many religions tend to be.

Pop Quiz: What is the most populous, majority Islamic nation?

England?

 

[1sickbastard]

Christianity began as an illegal underground religion but, after a few hundred years, it became a state religion.

I do not think the above pair of changes coincidental.

Hebrew was a religion of war, well, until the Romans destroyed the Temple cult and forced the diaspora. After that, not so much.

Until 1949, that is.

Coincidence?

 

[1sickbastard]

England?

Baaaaaap
Wrong, guess again Bubba.

 

[1sickbastard]

Pop Quiz: What is the most populous, majority Islamic nation?

I'll give you a hint:
Pakistan is the second most populous Islamic majority country on the globe.

 

[PoppingTom]

I think Indonesia.

 

[1sickbastard]

I think Indonesia.

dingdingding.

Not exactly and "Arab" country, is it?

Oh, and an interesting FYI, China (the PRC) has more Muslims than Pakistan. India has more Muslims than the KSA, Yemen, Oman, Qatar, the UAE & Kuwait, combined.

 

[PoppingTom]

Don't say Germany.

 

[1sickbastard]

Don't say Germany.

Germany

 

[PoppingTom]

Yeah, we're world champions again

 

[The_Trouvere]

Maybe they'll kill racists like you. At last, this would just be fair.

They could kill us. What we said would still be true.

 

[PoppingTom]

They could kill us. What we said would still be true.

Yeah, you would die for your "truth". Just like a good old fashioned suicide bomber.

 

[1sickbastard]

They could kill us. What we said would still be true.

They could, but then again a stray burst of gamma radiation from a quasar could kill us as well.

The point is that Jihadists don't kill based on the social construct of 'race', but on the perceptions of heresy and/or apostasy. Currently ISIS is more a threat to its neighbors because of perceived heresy than to us infidels in the apostate west.

For a historical context, think Roman Catholic Church prosecuting the Albigensian Crusade against other European Christians rather than the Crusades in the "Holy Land"

 

[KingOrfeo]

If they don't kill each other they will kill us.

They won't. They lack the power. And the vast majority lack the motivation.

 

[CNYCarol]

ISIS worships the same god you do ya fucking nimrod.

What amazes me is that someone actually believes that BS.

Christians are the adopted Sons of God.

Islam is the followers of Satan.

Obviously you have never studied God's Word!

 

[phrodeau]

What amazes me is that someone actually believes that BS.

Christians are the adopted Sons of God.

Islam is the followers of Satan.

Obviously you have never studied God's Word!

Muslims are not Satan worshippers. Satan worshippers are these folks: http://churchofsatan.com/

 

[KingOrfeo]

Islam is indeed a noble faith, by any reasonable definition of "noble." Which Christianity is not, and which Judaism is not, both depend on the worshipper ignobly groveling in a sense of sin. Muslims don't do that even when they're down on their hands and knees, as the observant ones are five times a day.

But noble != admirable.

Islam is not admirable.

Christianity is not admirable.

Judaism is not admirable.

Buddhism is admirable.

But the Church of the SubGenius transcends admirability.

Which the other four do not.

No, not even Buddhism.