islam is evil - boys in skirts

[phrodeau]

Despite Islam's roots in Judaism and Christianity (roots that many Moslem clerics would vehemently deny), I do not believe that Muslims worship "the same God" I do. They do not worship God at all. They worship of perversion of god dreamed up by a charismatic nutjob con-artist. That is, if this so-called "prophet" mohammad even existed in anything like the form presented in the Koran, which, I gather, is questionable.

I suspect you have a rather shallow perspective- perhaps even a secular one- of the God of Christianity and Judaism. But that is a discussion for another day.

It would be appropriate if, when you say "they do not worship God at all", you could provide some supporting evidence.

 

[RjThoughts]

I notice you couldn't be bothered responding to anything I said. You simply adduce new erroneous material. Sheesh!

I have read various translations of the Bible that are commonly used by Protestants. I think your question is quite irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Say, did you ever read the Song of Solomon?

The question is relevant, it goes to your state of mind. Protestants tend to be more intolerant to non-Protestants. They claim to know the Bible, but only use their own interpretation of it. These are those outspoken against Sharia law coming to America - which would be unconstitutional by the way - yet impose draconian laws AGAINST LGBT and women's health clinics.

Song of Solomon is a pretty piss poor attempt at science fiction and horror.

 

[RjThoughts]

It would be appropriate if, when you say "they do not worship God at all", you could provide some supporting evidence.

"Because my for-profit preacher says so."

 

[phrodeau]

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As for kosher slaughter being "almost identical" to halal, that is simply a despicable lie. In kosher slaughter, an animal is dispatched with a sharp knife to the neck, and the poor animal is dispatched promptly. In halal, the animal must "bleed out", for hours in agony. I suppose in your pathetic mind the two are "almost identical". They are not. Vegetarian that I am, I recognize a world of difference between the two methods of animal slaughter.

Congrats on being vegetarian. There is no relevant difference in the two methods. Both require cutting the animal's throat, which in all cases leaves them alive until they bleed to death. There's no such thing as sudden death from a cut.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/06/jewish-muslim-slaughter-animal-welfare-humane

 

[srgreene]

The Same, if You Ignore the Differences

Congrats on being vegetarian. There is no relevant difference in the two methods. Both require cutting the animal's throat, which in all cases leaves them alive until they bleed to death. There's no such thing as sudden death from a cut.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/06/jewish-muslim-slaughter-animal-welfare-humane

Thank you for your link. The Guardian can always be counted upon to whitewash Islam. I still maintain there is a huge gulf between the two methods of slaughter, although I am no expert on the matter. But kosher slaughter requires a sharp knife to a dispatch the animal and mandates that the cut be done in a manner to hasten death (halal, on the other hand, has no requirement for a sharp knife). Given the technology of the day, it was probably the least inhumane method of slaughter that the ancient Israelites could have devised.

Halal, on the other hand, requires that an animal "bleed out" slowly, which causes agony for hours. The videos available on the 'Net belie your statement. Kosher methods of slaughter were intended to minimize the suffering of an animal: to Moslems, that is an irrelevant consideration, as they engage in their mindless chanting as a animal slowly dies in agony. While both are brutal, they are far from "the same": even your vaunted Guardian admits (contrary to Ulaven's claim, "There is much difference between shechita and zabiha").

They are only "the same" if you ignore the relevant distinctions, and the duration of the animal's suffering is indeed relevant. I can only wonder at your motivation for choosing to ignore a distinction: it is like calling a bullet through the brain, transversely, to crucifixion: both are intended to kill, one is intended to prolong agony. I have little doubt that if, say, you were convicted of apostasy or "insulting" that creepy pedophile known as Mohammad (you know, the one who raped little girls), but could choose your manner of death (the bullet, or crucifixion), which of the two you would "prefer".

Perhaps you would open you mind sufficiently to read this, also from the UK:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ses-brutality-of-halal-industry-10019467.html

and this, rather more polemical,

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2012/...r-to-make-it-palatable-to-ignorant-americans/

Once again, I can only wonder my Moslems and their leftist defenders (are there any on the "right"?) are so frequently disingenuous.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

clearly, obama and these islam people are idiots.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Nowhere do you bestir yourself to cite any of this "misinformation" that Pamela Gellar (sic) provides. It isn't slander, sir, if it's true. You simply repeat you mindless, unsubstantiated claims, I suppose in the hope that a lie repeated often enough will be accepted as truth.

As for kosher slaughter being "almost identical" to halal, that is simply a despicable lie. In kosher slaughter, an animal is dispatched with a sharp knife to the neck, and the poor animal is dispatched promptly. In halal, the animal must "bleed out", for hours in agony. I suppose in your pathetic mind the two are "almost identical". They are not. Vegetarian that I am, I recognize a world of difference between the two methods of animal slaughter.

You are a deeply disingenuous person. I might even guess that you are a dutiful Moslem.

You make sweeping pronouncements that upon inspection turn out to be completely incorrect.

Kosher and Halal slaughter methods are nearly indistinguishable from each other.

Halal: The animal must be conscious (not stunned), and it's throat must be cut by a sharp knife severing the carotid artery, jugular vein and windpipe in a single swipe. Blood must be drained out of the carcass.
An animal with a severed jugular and carotid is not going to "bleed out for hours in agony" but will lose consciousness and expire very quickly due to loss of blood flow to the brain.

Kosher: The animal must be conscious (not stunned) The procedure, which must be performed by a shochet, involves severing the trachea, esophagus, carotid arteries, jugular veins and vagus nerve in a swift action using a special knife with an extremely sharp blade. This is done with the intention of causing a rapid drop in blood pressure in the brain and loss of consciousness, to render the animal insensitive to pain and to exsanguinate in a prompt and precise action. The procedure may be performed with the animal either lying on its back or standing.

 

[Aella_]

You make sweeping pronouncements that upon inspection turn out to be completely incorrect.

Kosher and Halal slaughter methods are nearly indistinguishable from each other.

Halal: The animal must be conscious (not stunned), and it's throat must be cut by a sharp knife severing the carotid artery, jugular vein and windpipe in a single swipe. Blood must be drained out of the carcass.
An animal with a severed jugular and carotid is not going to "bleed out for hours in agony" but will lose consciousness and expire very quickly due to loss of blood flow to the brain.

Kosher: The animal must be conscious (not stunned) The procedure, which must be performed by a shochet, involves severing the trachea, esophagus, carotid arteries, jugular veins and vagus nerve in a swift action using a special knife with an extremely sharp blade. This is done with the intention of causing a rapid drop in blood pressure in the brain and loss of consciousness, to render the animal insensitive to pain and to exsanguinate in a prompt and precise action. The procedure may be performed with the animal either lying on its back

How come you know so much about killing animals?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

How come you know so much about killing animals?

I was raised in farm country and I read everything that I can get my hands on.

Ignorance is the enemy. Hence my lack of compassion for the willfully ignorant.

 

[Aella_]

I was raised in farm country and I read everything that I can get my hands on.

Ignorance is the enemy. Hence my lack of compassion for the willfully ignorant.

Sorry, but I would feel proud to be called ignorant on such matters.

Reading about how animals die was never an interest of mine. How can one enjoy reading such things is beyond my comprehension.

 

[Liar]

Sorry, but I would feel proud to be called ignorant on such matters.

Reading about how animals die was never an interest of mine. How can one enjoy reading such things is beyond my comprehension.

Food does not materialize in the super market aisle. Knowing how it got there is essential stuff. The way to make a slab of bacon in the secular meat industry ain't much prettier, btw.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Food does not materialize in the super market aisle. Knowing how it got there is essential stuff. The way to make a slab of bacon in the secular meat industry ain't much prettier, btw.

People who revel in their ignorance of how basic necessities are obtained will be the first to succumb to starvation and/or dehydration in the coming collapse of civilization.

 

[Ramone45]

Despite Islam's roots in Judaism and Christianity (roots that many Moslem clerics would vehemently deny), I do not believe that Muslims worship "the same God" I do. They do not worship God at all. They worship of perversion of god dreamed up by a charismatic nutjob con-artist. That is, if this so-called "prophet" mohammad even existed in anything like the form presented in the Koran, which, I gather, is questionable.

I suspect you have a rather shallow perspective- perhaps even a secular one- of the God of Christianity and Judaism. But that is a discussion for another day.

I've been think a lot lately about the ideas you are expressing and I agree with your position. We can't ignore the fact that the problems we are facing in regard to terrorism are rooted in Islam. One could argue that it is based in a perversion of Islamic thought, but nevertheless these terrorists have found inspiration for their heinous acts in Islam. The tenets of Islam are not based on peaceful coexistence as far as I can tell. It is insular and judgmental and counter progressive. It is interesting to me that those who are defending muslims in the wake of these terrorist attacks likely abhor Islamic moral theology. I think people's response towards Islam is understandable and it is naive to say that it is a "religion" of peace. I would clearly have a different opinion of Islam had Islamic terrorists not destroyed the World Trade Center. I don't hate muslims. I believe in their right to practice their faith in the United States under the protection of the Constitution. I also believe in the concept that all religions must be constrained under the Constitution to the extent that theology is not imposed upon anyone under the law.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

did you have your pussy today?

People who revel in their ignorance of how basic necessities are obtained will be the first to succumb to starvation and/or dehydration in the coming collapse of civilization.

 

[Aella_]

Food does not materialize in the super market aisle. Knowing how it got there is essential stuff. The way to make a slab of bacon in the secular meat industry ain't much prettier, btw.

I know that, and I wasn't serious. What Ulaven wrote was appropiate imo.
I was just pulling a tongue-in cheeck for being labeled by Ulaven over nothing.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

I was raised in farm country and I read everything that I can get my hands on.

Ignorance is the enemy. Hence my lack of compassion for the willfully ignorant.

When will you go back to Afghanistan?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

How come you know so much about killing animals?

He loves to eat Dog

 

[Liar]

I know that, and I wasn't serious. What Ulaven wrote was appropiate imo.
I was just pulling a tongue-in cheeck for being labeled by Ulaven over nothing.

Ah, the "Just a prank bro" reply.