Islamic State Has More Than Tripled Its Territory In Syria Since U.S. Started Airstri

[BotanyBoy]

When you have an answer, come back.

I asked first AND your question is off topic....

Ya gonna answer or you going to keep with your deflection and slink off the usual vettecoaward way now that the hard questions are being asked?

Slink off like we ALL know you will you fucking invert....

Can't even point out why war in the middle east is so fucking important to you...not a single god damn reason.....but you know it is!!!WAR is the best!!

 

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[BotanyBoy]

Your premise, like all of your premises, is bullshit.

Says Mr."L = tyranny and R= freedom and that's all there is tew it and I won't hear nuttin' ELSE DAMN IT!!"

Arguably the most radical and narrow minded RW'er on the board....LOL the fuckin' irony is meter breaking, you know that right??

War in the Middle east isn't important to me, unless the CinC has established a threat to the United States, and he has.

Suddenly Obama's opinion isn't complete bullshit?

I thought EVERYTHING he ever said/did was a total lie.

The question is does this threat require military action in order to safeguard America and/or its assets/allies? THAT is what I'm looking for right there...b/c I don't think it's there and neither do most Americans otherwise we would have a million mother fuckers over there kicking doors down day in and day out, collars off, bare basic Geneva conventions, everyone on the far side of our LOA fucking dies.

So what's important to me is that we do not make the same Democrat mistake we made in Vietnam, that is if the President is correct, than we face it with maximum military force, so that less American life will be lost.

Yet I've seen you frequently advocate troops on the ground.....I don't think you give two pumps of rat shit about saving American lives vette. Otherwise you would be asking for a damn better reason other than "ISIS is talkin shit!!" to go start a war.

Or, shut up and stay home, but that is an Obama problem.

I don't think you want to stay home....nothing you have ever said indicates that as ever even being an option for "My way or the highway, everything else is a commie liberal plot to press a socialist agenda upon my freedumbz!!" vetteman....

And to answer your question it's prob Obama sending them the info, likely to get those Kenyan death squads back after their grandma killing orders.......did I put any thought into it? No but that's the only answer you will ever accept so there it is, enjoy.

 

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[BotanyBoy]

If it is or not, isn't the question is it?

You and your buddies devote a FUCK TON of your time and effort into convincing everyone it is....

Now suddenly it doesn't matter? Geee...biased for war much?

He says a threat exists. He's the CinC, so it's his job to handle it.

So much confidence in a man you claim is so vastly incompetent it's a wonder you think it's even possible he could ID a threat if it bit him in the face...

If he didn't want to do anything about it, he shouldn't have declared it a national security threat and then appear as if he was too cowardly to address it.

Oh so this is all about maintain the US image as a bully?? Well at least there is a little bit of honesty starting to show.

You forget, we have a President who really isn't interested in taking care of the national security threats he identifies. You were former military, you know what kind of air campaign we can bring if we want to. In Iraq it was 2500 sorties a day, as opposed to Obama's ROE constrained 2500 in 6 months. That is nowhere near a robust air campaign, his people want us to believe it is. Here's what I think, if Obama doesn't want to fight, than we should stay home and not pretend we are doing so, for the safety of all involved, because a weak CinC could be as dangerous as the enemy himself. The next POresident will have to handle what ever happens as a result.

See....very upset we aren't spending more on the war in the middle east....why??

We elected the guy DIRECTLY to stop the fucking stupid shit in the first place and GTFO of that COLOSSAL waste of time/money/lives.

I have said what I thought it would take to take down Isis, but I have not seriously advocated sending in our ground troops under this President. I have said if air strikes are to be successful, that spec ops ground controllers are required, even you know this to be true. I think a quick reaction force for downed pilots would also be required in any competent scenario.

Yea....why are we running air strikes again? You and I both know those fuckers ain't cheap and in case you haven't noticed we are kinda fucking broke.

The above is unsupportable BS. What you think I said and what I said are two different things.

True....but I got your attitude spot on

Stupid answer. The reason this info gets leaked is to to look tough but to make sure it never really happens.

Sure.

Now back to the original question.....the CORE question I've been digging at for years now. I think maybe...just maybe you might answer it.

Do you, or do you not support continued or further military action in the middle east? Not what you think should or Obama should or w/e....if vettey could have his way right now how would you deal with the fact that the middle east has sunk into a 3rd world battle royal?

If you would chose military action, to what end would you use it?

 

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[BotanyBoy]

Outside of keeping strategic open, lines of trade, lines of navigation, and treaties obligations in tact, I don't favor a ground invasion of the Middle East by American forces.

I have said what I think needs to be done in order for the President to back up his rhetoric and not look like a fool, but looking like a fool is really his problem.

If I were inclined towards military action, and I'm not, I would cut the head off the snake. I would destroy Iran's nuclear capability and much of it's military infrastructure from the air, in detail. I would bottle up its armored forces by closing strategic mountain passes leading to the coast, and destroy every military installation on their coastal plain by air. I would blockade their ports and apply heavy economic sanctions. With them out of the picture, much of the Middle East problem would be solved. If we had an army of any size and we don't, I might think about seizing their coastal oil facilities as well.

Right on, and damn right seize their shit...loosers pay the tab, rule of war No.1....

 

[Busybody]

Iraqi Army Allegedly Downs A US Helicopter For Providing Weapons To ISIS: Report


The Iraqi Army has once again claimed that it has downed a NATO aircraft that was providing military assistance directly to ISIS according to Iranian FARS News Agency.

This time, the Iraqis are claiming they shot down a US Helicopter in the Al-Bagdadi region in Anbar Province last week. The reason for shooting the helicopter, according to FARS and, apparently, high-ranking Iraqi officials, was that the helicopter was carrying weapons to ISIS.

Head of the Iraqi Parliament’s National Security and Defense Committee and senior Iraqi legislator, Hakem al-Zameli has stated that the Iraqi government is constantly receiving reports from its security forces that NATO aircraft is dropping weapons to ISIS.

Zameli claims that the reason for the airdrops is that NATO wishes to prolong the situation in Anbar Province for geopolitical purposes.

Zameli stated that “The Iraqi Parliament’s National Security and Defense Committee has access to the photos of both planes that are British and have crashed while they were carrying weapons for the ISIL.”

Indeed, the claims come only one week after a video was released purporting to show a US Chinook helicopter dropping at least two boxes of weapons to ISIS and flying a low altitudes unmolested over ISIS-controlled territory south of Fallujah. It is reported that the footage was filmed by Hezbollah Brigades based in Iraq.

In order to prove the fact that they did indeed down an American helicopter the FARS report claims that the Iraqi fighters posted a picture of the chopper and the weapons that were recovered from the wreckage.


Credit: FARS News Agency

The alleged downing of the US Helicopter comes on the heels of an alleged downing of two UK planes by Iraqi forces using the same reason (NATO dropping weapons to ISIS) as justification.

In this regard, Zameli stated that “The Iraqi Parliament’s National Security and Defense Committee has access to the photos of both planes that are British and have crashed while they were carrying weapons for the ISIL.”

There are also reports that some US helicopters have landed in Fallujah, a stronghold of ISIS fighters in Iraq for the purpose of completing airdrops to al-Qaeda/ISIS.

The al-Ahad News website has quoted Khalaf Tarmouz, head of the al-Anbar Provincial Council as saying “We have discovered weapons made in the US, European countries and Israel from the areas liberated from ISIL’s control in Al-Baqdadi region.”

Tarmouz also claimed that weapons made in Israel and Europe were also discovered in Ramadi.

“The US drops weapons for the ISIL on the excuse of not knowing about the whereabouts of the ISIL positions and it is trying to distort the reality with its allegations,” he said.

These reports are by no means the first time that the United States, Europe, or Israel have been implicated in the arming and support of ISIS. It is, however, the first time Iraqi forces (since the initial US invasion of 2003) have mounted a direct resistance to US and NATO treachery.

 

[Curmudgeonly]

Right on, and damn right seize their shit...loosers pay the tab, rule of war No.1....

That, right there is the biggest problem with US war-making....If you are justified in going to war and killing people...you are damned sure justified in taking their stuff.

The only time can I think of that the US ever did that was in the Civil War.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That, right there is the biggest problem with US war-making....If you are justified in going to war and killing people...you are damned sure justified in taking their stuff.

The only time can I think of that the US ever did that was in the Civil War.

Nah...trade works....I mean think about japan/germany/korea....we get a lot out of those. Beneficial alliances (paying us to protect their shit) or our sub bitches (lost the war) that's all bueno. Some of our BEST international bidnizz relations have come from either protecting or kicking another nations ass. But same effect so yea...either set something up or steal their shit. Either way bills gotta get fucking paid yo...and cutting taxes/not taking their shit/setting up agreements won't get that lil chore handled.

We tried with vietnam...so far we got some sweat shops out of them but that's about it. Weak, big loss, big time bad bidnizz.

Iraq? What a colossal fucking waste on every front with the American contractor being the sole exception.

That's just a bad bidnizz plan plain and simple.....

 

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[someoneyouknow]

Daesh communication and supply lines between Iraq and Syria cut, thanks to airstrikes

Washington (AFP) - Forces fighting the Islamic State group have cut critical communication and supply lines used by the extremists between Syria and Iraq after a two-week operation, the US-led coalition said.

Backed by air strikes, the forces "overcame ISIL (IS) resistance" in northeastern Syria near the strategic town of Tal Hamis -- once an IS stronghold -- and "denied the terrorist group its freedom of maneuver in the area," the Combined Joint Task Force said in a statement.

During the operation, which ended Saturday, the IS group lost access to primary travel routes it has previously used to move personnel and materials into Iraq.

"Anti-ISIL forces were able to seize critical portions of route 47 in Syria, a key ISIL communications and supply line leading into Iraq," it added, noting that 94 villages were freed from the clutches of the extremists

http://news.yahoo.com/syria-iraq-communication-lines-smashed-coalition-061813532.html

 

[Busybody]

Wow. ..Obama went with big scissors and cut the lines

 

[someoneyouknow]

Daeash has lost 25 percent of territory it once held

Iraqi and Kurdish forces have reclaimed more than 25 percent of ISIS-held territory inside Iraq, according to a U.S. assessment that also determined that Kurdish fighters are responsible for the majority of the territory retaken from ISIS in northern Iraq.

“We assess ISIL’s front lines have been pushed back in northern and central Iraq,” Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren said at a Pentagon briefing today, referring to the militant group also known as ISIS. “ISIL no longer has complete freedom of movement in roughly 25 percent of populated areas of Iraqi territory where they once operated freely.”

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Warren said the term "freedom of movement" equates to losing territory “if they don’t have freedom of movement they don’t control it.”



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/isis-lost-25-percent-territory-held-iraq-us/story?id=29625568

 

[someoneyouknow]

Islamic State suffers serious reversals in northern Iraq (thanks to U.S. airstrikes)

Peering from his trench on a ridgeline fortified with sandbags, the Kurdish commander gazed toward an Islamic State-held village next to a swath of territory recently seized from the extremist forces. Smoke wafted into the sky from natural gas burning off a well in a broad basin known as Wadi al Naft, or Valley of Oil, west of Kirkuk, Iraq's strategic northern energy hub.

"Daesh is weaker now, no doubt," said Hussein Yazdanpana, who heads an Iranian-Kurdish front-line unit, using an Arabic acronym for Islamic State. "We've heard that many of their fighters are running away," said the militiaman, who incongruously wore an American flag pocket patch — a gift from "Jack," one of the U.S. military advisors here.

While media attention has focused on Iraqi government advances north from Baghdad on the Islamic State-held city of Tikrit, the Sunni militants have also been suffering a series of significant reversals in the Kurdish north.

Unlike in the Tikrit assault — where Iran is a major partner and the U.S.-led coalition has been absent — the role of American air power is clearly evident here.

Warplanes roar unseen high in the skies overhead. The ghostly presence of abandoned, bombed-out villages — such as the flattened hamlet of Kharab al Rut, a onetime Islamic State stronghold now reduced to rubble — attests to the ferocity of the airborne assault.

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-isis-kurdistan-20150315-story.html