It ain't natural. Holsinger.

[rgraham666]

Male homosexuals don't have one of those, silly!

Since anal warts are one of his arguments against gay butt-fucking, could we argue that vaginal warts are an equal argument against het intercourse?

Oh lets. It's fun to watch sophists dance.

 

[Samandiriel]

Male homosexuals don't have one of those, silly!

Since anal warts are one of his arguments against gay butt-fucking, could we argue that vaginal warts are an equal argument against het intercourse?

Ok, so male fisting is bad, female fisting is okay?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Ok, so male fisting is bad, female fisting is okay?

FISTING???? Whut's that! Nobody ever done that it's... it's unnatural, that's whut it is. i ain't never heard of that, you're making it up.

 

[Samandiriel]

FISTING???? Whut's that! Nobody ever done that it's... it's unnatural, that's whut it is. i ain't never heard of that, you're making it up.

No, I think Jesus okayed it.

 

[glynndah]

No, I think Jesus okayed it.

And where is that thread about Christian anal sex when we need it? He needs to do a bit more research.

 

[Liar]

Ok, so assfucking is out.

How about rimjobs, does he say anything about rimjobs?

 

[Liar]

And where is that thread about Christian anal sex when we need it? He needs to do a bit more research.

You don't mean this?

 

[glynndah]

You don't mean this?

Yep. That's the one.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Ok, so assfucking is out.

How about rimjobs, does he say anything about rimjobs?

No, his mouth was full.

 

[lisa123414]

What does that mean in English?
I mean really, how do simple people like me expect to understand his scientific mine and jargon?

Abstruse honey, just for you, I have translated this scientific article, paragraph by paragraph, into layman's terms. Honestly, I dont know what everybody is getting so excited about.


1. We decided to form a committee to figure out how “fucking” works.

2. People shit out their asses and make babies by fucking (in this context, meaning the male inserts penis into vagina).

3. Fucking makes babies although you can get them other ways too if you have some money.

4. Ummm squamous epithelium… ‘nuff said.

5. Be careful when you stick something in your or someone else’s ass.

6. Use lots of lubricant and tell him/her to relax and “bear down.”

7. If you are not careful, someone might get hurt, and just like in hetero sex, it is possible to spread disease.

8. You might get some scary sounding diseases, but we conveniently leave out bi-sexuality, hmmmm….a loop hole, as it were.

9. Use condoms

10. Fisting asses hurts.

11. Drugs are not a good idea when ass-fisting

12. Umm there’s that word again, squamous, like the sound of it and hoping to cause distraction while making a circular argument that is inconclusive.

13. Use soap and condoms.

14. Even though the bible does not come right out and say so, we think a penis fits into a vagina, real good!

15. People know how to make babies.

16. Again, penis fits in vagina, real good!

17. Go out and have sex!

 

[Pure]

i wish some of our 'natural law' folks dared to post to this thread.

the trouble with 'the penis fits in the vagina' argument is that it has a rather different conclusion than proposed, for the 'fit' is there, at all times between any male and any female over 14.

in particular it's there, squamous epithelium, mucosal secretions and etc. at almost all times, for any married or longterm couple, including during the times of a woman's pregnancy.

conclusion: clearly God or Nature "intended" for there to be far more copulating than reproducing, by a factor of 10 or even 50.

this is even more obvious for humans and chimps who don't have "heat", followed by long periods of utter disinterest.

to this one might add that 'fit' applies to other pairings of organs, even if the scandalous b-fcuk is off limits. (H is right about its [greater, relative] dangers, though of course the v-fcuk itself is not low on the danger scale.)

the position of the 'natural law' folks is deeply incoherent. that's why they are fun. esp. in bed.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Indeed. I remember discussing this with my father, who likes to come back to the "it's unnatural argument." When faced with the observation that there are documented cases of animals exhibiting homosexual behavior (there's a pair of wild swans in one of the parks in England who return every year to build a nest, mate, and then look a bit puzzled and disappointed), and that of course such things as rape, incest, and cannibalism are exhibited in nature and therefore are apparently morally right under this argument, I'm sorry to say that he's never really offered more than a long pause and ... "Well, all I know is, it's not a natural thing and I don't think it's right."

*sigh*

Shanglan

 

[rgraham666]

As the old saying goes, "Don't confuse me with facts. My mind is made up!"

 

[3113]

the organs for eating/digesting/eliminating and those for reproducing are separate, separated, work separately. (whereas a bird, for instance, has only one opening, 'down there' for pooping or egg laying.

So it's natural for birds to be homosexual? That would explain the poor confused swans.

I wonder how the pair decides who's on top....

 

[Pure]

interesting point 3113.

as a bird owner, i've learned that for many species, you can't tell the sex, esp. if you concentrate on genitalia [external ones, that it; these do not exist]; parrots are one example. in some there are NO external diffs in coloring feathers, shape, markings, size, etc., e.g. the jenday conure (small golden headed parrot). both the male and the female have an orifice down there, mainly for poop, but hidden within are vagina or penis, ovaries or testicles.

i wonder at mating time if it's ever confusing who is to do what to whom? and what equipment is available? (oops, though i had vagina in there, sorry!).

 

[Pure]

nature

shanglan: of course such things as rape, incest, and cannibalism are exhibited in nature and therefore are apparently morally right under this argument,

in researching intraspecies killing (which popular wisdom tends to minimize or deny), i learned that killing of babies/cubs is quite common *when a new male arrives.* he simply disposes of the pre existing offspring, ones not his own. i believe tigers are an example.

the bonobo monkeys (pygmy chimps) are now a well known example of sexual behavior between all different combos and sexes as a kind of social bonding procedure (making up after a fight, e.g.,)

oddly enough, Sade is one of the earliest, relatively modern, western writers (let's say, from renaissance, on) to point out the actual consequences of a morality or behavior-set based on nature.

 

[Pure]

it occurs to me that there's something basically wrong with "it gives you warts", etc., (and H shows some awareness of this point.)

het. intercourse spreads all of the disease catalogued by Holsinger, though vaginal sex is saf-ER (i.e. not 'safe').

clearly chastity, or just petting, is the 'natural' remedy for the spreading of disease that Holsinger speaks of. X many million teens have chlamydia, and it ain't, in vast majority of cases, from buttfucking.

 

[BlackShanglan]

in researching intraspecies killing (which popular wisdom tends to minimize or deny), i learned that killing of babies/cubs is quite common *when a new male arrives.* he simply disposes of the pre existing offspring, ones not his own. i believe tigers are an example.

Yes. It's not uncommon in wolf and dog packs, as well, for alpha dogs of both sexes to kill the offspring of non-alphas. And I believe it's prairie dogs where the competition for space drives females to lay in wait to kill each others' litters.

 

[R. Richard]

in researching intraspecies killing (which popular wisdom tends to minimize or deny), i learned that killing of babies/cubs is quite common *when a new male arrives.* he simply disposes of the pre existing offspring, ones not his own. i believe tigers are an example.

In general male cats will kill kittens which are not theirs. [This includes your house mouser.] The purpose here is that the male is trying to insure that his genes are the ones transmitted, not those of some other male. Of course, a female cat will defend her kittens, because female cats have a very strong maternal instinct [so that they don't kill a disobediennt kitten with fangs and claws.]