I've been playing with AI

[madelinemasoch]

(I haven’t read your story but I have read your posts.)


The AI has pointed out the crux of your frustration - the reason why readers are ‘misinterpreting’ your story.

The AI’s comments are based on Eleanor’s ‘unconventional’ beliefs, and while the AI can interpret what you’ve written and analyze the writing using Eleanor’s perspective, your readers may not be buying into it.





Readers may be taking issue with Eleanor’s unconventional beliefs, and because your subject matter touches on sensitive issues, readers are pushing back against her perspective, making the story an emotional challenge rather than something relatable they can enjoy.


Try giving the AI quotes of some of the comments you’ve received and ask it for a psychological analysis with a focus on why the reader did not understand the story from Eleanor’s perspective.

My guess is that it will say something to the effect of how you need to get readers to relate to Eleanor more before they can accept her unconventional views.

Thanks for the thoughtful response, however I have to inform you that the situation I’m referring to is even worse than you think. They weren’t pushing back against her perspective; it’s actually worse than that. They were acting as if her perspective doesn’t exist. The comments were violent out of the blue or posing questions that were already answered in the text.

 

[madelinemasoch]

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"AI" in its current form does not, in any way, understand what you give it to "read." It understands structures, and it understands connections to other structures. It "knows" what criticism should look like, and (massively simplifying here) given that criticism of a similar work exists, it will use that criticism to inform its "criticism."

Beyond that, it will take whatever you give it (at least in its most basic role) and almost always give you a positive spin on what you give it. Ask for a harsh criticism of the same work, and it will likely be much less kind.

As an experiment, I created a new session of ChatGPT 4o and gave it one of the "Roy Orbison Wrapped in Cling Film" stories to chew on, with the prompt, "Analyze this story." Here's what it returned:



Other "fun" things generative AI has done: created books that stated destroying angel mushrooms are safe to eat; encouraged people to kill themselves and gave them instructions on how to do so most effectively and painlessly; encouraged NYC business owners to break the law without telling them what it suggested was illegal; quoted court cases that didn't exist; and dozens more.

ChatGPT and its ilk have their uses, but relying on them to validate either your beliefs or your writing is a fool's errand. Yeah, it's not Eliza, but it's not artificial general intelligence, either, and it's especially not a replacement for human insights. It tells you what it "thinks" you want to hear, and it does it with the confidence of a freshman college student who's just read their first book on literary criticism and thinks they're the next T.S. Eliot; most of the time, though, it would be lucky to be Edward Bulwer-Lytton.

Yeah, I understand your perspective and I agree, the analysis I got wasn’t even that deep. The point was it was deeper than any human being gave me, which I think says more about those who did give me feedback’s reading of the material than the material itself.

 

[madelinemasoch]

All the while, the inferior, submissive white males get punished with sensory deprivation by being buried alive for days

This is a lie that’s not in the story that you are repeating here after saying it once before, a long time ago. Nobody was “buried alive” in the story.

What OP is doing here is essentially feeding Mein Kampf to ChatGPT, and then taking the lack of psychological evaluation as proof of people misunderstanding Hitler. The problem is, people still have every right to call the man a monster, simply because they are able to read between the lines. Which, honestly, is still a novel concept for LLMs. And I'd like to remind everyone who claims otherwise about that time Google's AI recommended jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge as a means to deal with depression.

This comparison tells you all you need to know about OS’s interpretation. and sure, they have “the right” to call my characters monsters, but that doesn’t make it a good interpretation of the work.

 

[alohadave]

Not sure why you would take what I wrote as a personal attack.

You quoted their post which most people take as you are talking directly at them.

 

[madelinemasoch]

You are wrong. You have been told that many times before, but you stick to your guns -- you are not interested in what others have to say. So why be bothered when others do the same when reading your pieces?

Here's how it is:

I've written "it's green." Readers say they've read "it's purple." Who's right? Who's wrong? What have I really written?
In their "language," I have written "it's purple."

Am I a bad writer or are they too dumb? Maybe I am the misunderstood genius. Or maybe I am delusional. Or maybe there's a gap between writer and readers.

If my goal was to reach them, I have failed.

From here on I have a number of options. I can continue writing "it's green" -- and if this makes me happy, I will do so. But know others don't read the same. Or I can try to find another way to convey my "greenness" idea to the readers. Or write something else entirely.

What I can't do is to demand others read what I want them to read.

I already said this is not just a product of a gap between writing and reading.

Also the purple and green analogy is pretty funny. You’re trying to logic your way out of this when what you’re saying is absurd on its face. If I write “it’s green” and someone reads “it’s purple” then they’re clearly being facetious and literally changing the material in their own head canon. Just because somebody is headcanoning your work doesn’t mean you failed to write it.

I mean seriously. If you can’t control other people’s interpretations then it bears 0 on your writing skills when they misinterpret you.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

This is a lie that’s not in the story that you are repeating here after saying it once before, a long time ago. Nobody was “buried alive” in the story.

I'm going to tell you the same I told you the last time you went around accusing me of lying (after removing your story to hide the evidence): Maybe check your post history.
Last time we had this discussion, according to yourself, the man WAS buried alive, just not in a metal coffin. Now he wasn't buried at all? Do you know what "gaslighting" is?

This comparison tells you all you need to know about OS’s interpretation. and sure, they have “the right” to call my characters monsters, but that doesn’t make it a good interpretation of the work.

Yes, it actually does make it a good interpretation. Because if every single person in a room tells you the same thing, then maybe, just maybe, that consensus was reached because they're right, and it was THAT obvious to reach that consensus.

You don't think removing body parts without medical necessity is maiming. You don't think burying people alive is torture. You don't think tying people up and fucking them while in a total state of panic is rape. And, apparently, you don't think men can have erections without physical stimulation, which, honestly, concerns me, because it shows that you have never seen an aroused male in your life, or, worse, have a fundamental misconception of arousal as a concept.

Now, again, you show up in the forums once about every three to six months to start a thread about how misunderstood you and your work are, and how bothersome that misinformed and uneducated readership on Lit is. I honestly can't tell anymore if you do this just to troll, or if you're THAT delusional... but I pray it's the former one. Because the latter would mean there's something seriously wrong with you.

 

[madelinemasoch]

Last time we had this discussion, according to yourself, the man WAS buried alive, just not in a metal coffin. Now he wasn't buried at all? Do you know what "gaslighting" is?

I never said that. Here's what I actually said:

I'm not gaslighting you. You're lying about me.

You don't think removing body parts without medical necessity is maiming. You don't think burying people alive is torture. You don't think tying people up and fucking them while in a total state of panic is rape. And, apparently, you don't think men can have erections without physical stimulation, which, honestly, concerns me, because it shows that you have never seen an aroused male in your life, or, worse, have a fundamental misconception of arousal as a concept.

Anyone can click the links and see that you're lying about what I said in every case. They lead to posts where I say completely different things than what you're claiming I said in the past. I know you're trying to get me to scramble and try to find a bunch of evidence to disprove every claim or what have you, but your lies are so obviously false that that's not even necessary. I never said the things you're claiming I said.

Now, again, you show up in the forums once about every three to six months to start a thread about how misunderstood you and your work are, and how bothersome that misinformed and uneducated readership on Lit is.

Yeah, maybe part of the reason why I'm misunderstood is because people like you lie about me publicly on the website. Maybe that's part of the reason.

You're just taking the opportunity, because the story's no longer available, to lie about what's in it. Everyone here can tell.

Juxtapose this:

I honestly can't tell anymore if you do this just to troll, or if you're THAT delusional...

Do you know what "gaslighting" is?

Wild stuff here.

I mean you're literally trying to get me (and other people) to believe that your lies about both my work and what I've said here in the past are factual, and they're not. I know there's a story like that, where a guy gets buried alive, but that's not my story. I'm not the one who wrote it and it wasn't a part of that chapter that you got removed. It was bondage in a basement for less than a day.

And without the links (which prove you're misrepresenting what I said by the way) we can just go line by line back at you:

You don't think removing body parts without medical necessity is maiming.

You think surgery is "maiming."

You don't think burying people alive is torture.

You think being tied up and blindfolded and gagged for a few hours is being "buried alive" (in a metal coffin).

You don't think tying people up and fucking them while in a total state of panic is rape.

You think a repressed desire being fulfilled by force is a state of "panic."

And, apparently, you don't think men can have erections without physical stimulation,

You think everyone always gets hard every time they get turned on.

None of that is true.

Who's delusional here?

 

[madelinemasoch]

I think OverconfidentSarcasm is an elaborate performance artist who's trying to demonstrate my points about Lit in real time.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

As language tools, AIs are great. As tools for examining information, they're still total pants.

An anecdote that may be relevant to OP: I wrote a 750 story last month, bit of BDSM, and let a regular beta reader look, who has no problem reading BDSM.
Response was that it seemed an abusive story, the guy having a cruel partner who was also harsh to the narrator , and the narrator for some reason ignoring that.

I was quite miffed. because the guy and his lady were in a very loving relationship, and no real cruelty was involved. But when I took a second look, it became clear that I hadn't written that. I had the characters in my mind, but thanks to the word limit had used some phrases that sounded bad out of context, and not explained the happy relationships between the trio.

Some editing ensued, and the resulting story was well received once I put in a couple sentences about narrator and Lady being friends, and guy and partner loving each other.

From memory, your stories included lots of physical description, but didn't explain any backstory about the characters and if there was actually love or respect or kindness there - or purely the intense/cruel actions. People need to be led to the conclusions you want them to draw. A few sentences of explanation would likely result in a very different response to your stories.

 

[madelinemasoch]

As language tools, AIs are great. As tools for examining information, they're still total pants.

An anecdote that may be relevant to OP: I wrote a 750 story last month, bit of BDSM, and let a regular beta reader look, who has no problem reading BDSM.
Response was that it seemed an abusive story, the guy having a cruel partner who was also harsh to the narrator , and the narrator for some reason ignoring that.

I was quite miffed. because the guy and his lady were in a very loving relationship, and no real cruelty was involved. But when I took a second look, it became clear that I hadn't written that. I had the characters in my mind, but thanks to the word limit had used some phrases that sounded bad out of context, and not explained the happy relationships between the trio.

Some editing ensued, and the resulting story was well received once I put in a couple sentences about narrator and Lady being friends, and guy and partner loving each other.

From memory, your stories included lots of physical description, but didn't explain any backstory about the characters and if there was actually love or respect or kindness there - or purely the intense/cruel actions. People need to be led to the conclusions you want them to draw. A few sentences of explanation would likely result in a very different response to your stories.

No, there was backstory, there was love in some of the relationships even in the characters’ thoughts, not just implied, as well as kindness (relatively!) in the characters’ actions. I don’t think I have to give a blurb type paragraph in the story to make that come through to the reader. That’s not how I write. Plus, that wouldn’t even be convincing to a reader that wants to read me maliciously already. They wouldn’t buy in to me simply telling them, not showing them, that the characters love each other.

I know that within me lies a prism of light which redeems all that passes through it. I know that this correlates precisely to the creative process I engage in. Words like “torment” and “torture” are used in different ways in my work because the pain and suffering of being alive itself is redeemed when it passes through that prism. This is what the femdom goddess energy does to me.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

You believe that the reader must read your work a certain way.

Never said that.

Oh yes, you did.

They were, quite obviously after all that I just explained here, misinterpreting my work. The reason why is obvious: they don't read correctly.

This attitude of readers needing to read properly also carries the notion that the work is above significant reproach.

No, this is not an “attitude” that I have, it’s a fact in this specific case that my story was misread.

What is a fact? That your story is above reproach?

If yes -> the why are you asking for feedback is your story is perfect? Perhaps you just need the affirmation for your ego? Or perhaps you feel that your work is so superior that it will actually make other people who thinks different (or lower) than you become enlightened to think just like you and make the world a better place? I don't know, you tell me.

Or is the fact just that these readers are reading wrong?

If yes, then you need to find the right platform where your target audience will have a better time finding you. You will probably need a paywall for that. A free porn site like lit is going to be full of "riff-raff" who will not be interested in your "higher" concepts, let alone grasp them.

You’re putting words in my mouth and constructing a straw man out of my original post, ironically, instead of actually engaging with what I said in the post. Just another case of someone online responding to what they think someone is saying and not what it is their words actually mean.

I'm not putting any words n your mouth. These are direct quotes from you.

I never said that the reader should be told how to read a story. I said “my stories were misread”. There’s a big difference.

Not really a difference, no. You put your story out there on a platform like lit. Who do you expect will be reading this, Margaret Atwood? Terry Pratchett? At what level do you expect them to read? Your expectations are off - WAAAYY off. If you give the keys to your Ferrari to a 12-year old, he will crash it. You can't get mad that he didn't miraculously win the Indy 500 with it. You need to give the keys to a professional driver - ie, you need to find a higher level platform than literotica for the readers that you seek.

Do you honestly not believe that when you sit with something, you come to a deeper understanding of that thing? I mean a lot of the commentary on here seems to absolutely whitewash the idea of literary merit completely. Not only that, but understanding itself as a concept.

Ok, here we go. Now we get to the real truth. It is very clear to me now, with everything that you have said in this thread, and in your past history on this site, why you are writing here. You honestly believe that you have superior ideals when it comes to the kinks that you hold, and that you feel compelled to change everyone else's ideals to match yours, and coupled with your superior insight and writing abilities, that the dumb masses out there will have no alternative but to see the brilliant light that emits from your soul, fall to their knees and thank you for changing their lives. When that deeper understanding (your words, not mine, I'm not putting anything into your mouth) does not hit your audience, you get extremely frustrated and upset. Your entire history on this site backs this up. Exhibit A: You deleted your entire catalog over it because people weren't instantly dropping to their knees and converting to your way of thinking due to your brilliant writing. I remember the threads rather clearly and I even suggested that you might be doing this then. Now that you are back with a fresh perspective, I have given you the benefit of the doubt, yet here you are at the exact same point trying to do the exact same thing.

Somebody’s knee jerk reaction first impression is not as deep or true an understanding of any given thing as the understanding that comes when somebody slows down and concentrates on that thing and goes deeper. After reading a lot of the posts on this thread one would never know that simple fact and be completely mislead into never slowing down to focus on anything.

And now I believe that we have found out a more precise answer to how you actually want your readers to read - an actual definition of reading your work properly (which you so passionately strive for). The reader is supposed to take a deep reflective look at your words and not just skim the surface. As writers, we'd all love that, but this is literotica, the lowest common denominator - not being rude about it, just keeping a realistic perspective which in turn gives us that neutral and accurate measure of our feedback here. Very few readers here are going to look past the surface of anything here. Your expectations are unrealistic for your audience. Go find a paywall to filter out all those who aren't interested in what lies beneath the surface.

Nobody said that they have to go deeper, or that they should be forced to, but that doesn’t mean they understand if they don’t.

This makes no sense at all. You honestly believe that those not interested in going deeper will magically be drawn into some deeper understanding just by the sheer brilliance of your work? That is the only way that that sentence makes any logical sense, and if that's the case, it is the snobbiest attitude that I have seen around here (and there are some snobs here to say the least).

Now let's move on to the technical points of writing. This is a great post. You should do well to listen to this example.

An anecdote that may be relevant to OP: I wrote a 750 story last month, bit of BDSM, and let a regular beta reader look, who has no problem reading BDSM.
Response was that it seemed an abusive story, the guy having a cruel partner who was also harsh to the narrator , and the narrator for some reason ignoring that.

I was quite miffed. because the guy and his lady were in a very loving relationship, and no real cruelty was involved. But when I took a second look, it became clear that I hadn't written that. I had the characters in my mind, but thanks to the word limit had used some phrases that sounded bad out of context, and not explained the happy relationships between the trio.

Some editing ensued, and the resulting story was well received once I put in a couple sentences about narrator and Lady being friends, and guy and partner loving each other.

I have had the same experience with beta reader feedback. KQQ took the advice at face value and looked deeper into what she had written, then realized that she had left out an aspect that was in her blind spot (we all have a blind spot when we write - info that we already know and can easily assume that the reader won't know). The beta reader pointed out something that didn't work, and KQQ was able to go back to her blind spot and find what was missing. This is a huge huge powerful benefit to the writer, and the writer has to check her ego at the door when reviewing this and finding their mistake.

If your beta readers are all telling you that they are not relating to your concepts, you should step back and pick through your work to find what might be missing that would disconnect the reader from your ideals, messages and themes. You are not doing this. Instead you are simply dismissing the feedback as inferior reading. You are doing yourself and your writing a great disservice. The whole point of beta reading is to find what is working and what isn't in terms of making the connection that you want to make. Do yourself a favor and ask your betas why they weren't connecting and then you can go back to your work to see what you may have missed. If you think that your characters and plots need no changes, then why are you asking for feedback? Spelling and grammar proofs?

And then we get to this ...

I know that within me lies a prism of light which redeems all that passes through it. I know that this correlates precisely to the creative process I engage in. Words like “torment” and “torture” are used in different ways in my work because the pain and suffering of being alive itself is redeemed when it passes through that prism. This is what the femdom goddess energy does to me.

Wow. Okay. I don't think I've ever read a quote by an author on this site that shouted from the rooftops "MY SHIT IS GOLD!" louder than this. Which confirms all of my theories on your writing motives on this site.

You write amazing. No one understands you. Your audience is dumb and refuses to be enlightened. You want feedback but never listen to your betas. The world doesn't think right and if they would only start thinking like you do the world would be utopia.

You don't want our help. All you want is affirmation of your brilliance. Sorry, can't help you there.

Or I guess I'm just not reading the thread properly. : P I already know what your reply will be.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

They wouldn’t buy in to me simply telling them, not showing them, that the characters love each other.

For sure. And some readers will never be convinced no matter what. Fuck them, we're not writing for them. Well,.I'm.not. But did you show that love? I don't recall it, but don't have your stories to refer to.

I know that within me lies a prism of light which redeems all that passes through it.

You may know that. No-one else does.

Words like “torment” and “torture” are used in different ways in my work because the pain and suffering of being alive itself is redeemed when it passes through that prism.

Basically you're using words with different meanings to their usual English meanings, and complaining that readers don't magically know that? There's plenty of BDSM stories where people do manage to describe torment and torture as positives, or at least with mixed feelings. I'd recommend reading more. The classic "Story of O" in English has plenty, for example.

But readers mostly won't accept that what sounds like torture is consensual and appreciated, unless you explain it well.

My story I referenced above is My Dom, In Boots - among other things I removed a reference to him having cigarette burns, because while I could probably convince most readers that they could be part of a good kink scene, it wasn't going to be possible in five words in a 750 story! Happy to send you the first draft if you want to compare.

 

[sexy_louise]

You lack context and you've already said so.

This is irrelevant, as I emphasized that I wouldn't address the merit of your work. I'm only disputing what you wrote in your post, which doesn't make my response invalid.

You speak of thousands of readers who criticized you, yet you choose to ignore this because chatgpt's response feeds your ego and reaffirms your beliefs ("my audience is dumb") - the textbook case of confirmation bias. Tell you what, if it said the opposite, you'd claim it's just dumb AI.

I'm not sure how my attitude wouldn't give you more respect for me as a writer

Do you really not understand why I wouldn't respect a writer who blatantly disregards feedback because they're butthurt? Or a writer who calls people hysterical because they disagree with them?

hate comments that were nothing more than death threats.

Your behavior in this thread raises considerable doubts over your credibility. Did you actually receive hate comments or were they just negative feedback? Also, death threats? You didn't mention that originally.

The point is I didn't tell the bot what the undertones were

My remark about undertones is unrelated to what you did with AI. Your readers accuse your characters of being downright vile, so I wouldn't dare read anything of yours because of how sensitive I am to "mere" (not quoting you here) undertones.

PS. I was about to send this when I saw a reply from OverconfidentSarcasm. I'll be honest, I completely misunderstood your original rant and you were right - I lacked context! What the actual fuck? Have you read what you wrote? Are you trolling? Yeah, I don't know where this "mythical abuse notion" comes from. How could anybody claim that torture, rape, and castration are abuse?

You've been told this countless times already, but here's a tip if you continue writing: if all or almost all of your readers are misinterpreting your work, they aren't. Either you can't convey ideas or you're a gaslighter.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I'd say that maybe everyone should take a breather and go back to the original topic of this thread.
Madeline did start this line of argument so I understand the annoyed response, and to be honest, I do have my own formed opinion about all of this. But things are getting quite personal and I don't think that's good for anyone here. This board should be a haven for all of us perverts, so having in mind all of Madeline's previous threads and history, I think this line of arguing should be put to rest. By everyone.

That being said, the original topic is an interesting one and is worth a discussion, especially keeping in mind that whatever we think about AI today, might not be true in a year or two. New versions are popping up very fast. Elon has just proudly presented Grok 3 with all his usual cockiness. So yeah, AI is moving forward constantly and whether we like it or not (I don't like it), we need to understand the reality of it.
Even the hardware requirements for having our own offline AI are constantly going down so it's not impossible to imagine that sooner or later it will be possible to have AI on our own PCs without having to own ten or twenty thousand dollars worth of hardware.

Are we ready for the speed with which AI is evolving? Like hell we are.

 

[AlexBailey]

No, there was backstory, there was love in some of the relationships even in the characters’ thoughts, not just implied, as well as kindness (relatively!) in the characters’ actions. I don’t think I have to give a blurb type paragraph in the story to make that come through to the reader. That’s not how I write. Plus, that wouldn’t even be convincing to a reader that wants to read me maliciously already. They wouldn’t buy in to me simply telling them, not showing them, that the characters love each other.

I know that within me lies a prism of light which redeems all that passes through it. I know that this correlates precisely to the creative process I engage in. Words like “torment” and “torture” are used in different ways in my work because the pain and suffering of being alive itself is redeemed when it passes through that prism. This is what the femdom goddess energy does to me.

Since you don’t seem to trust or value reader input nor that of other members of this forum, why don’t you try having ChatGPT analyze your first post and the post I quoted above?

Start with a new thread, give it both posts and ask for a psychological analysis - and for a more objective AI response, don’t frame your prompt as you being the author in question.

I’d love to hear your own thoughts about its response.

 

[madelinemasoch]

I'm not putting any words n your mouth. These are direct quotes from you.

You just did it again, though, OverConfidentSarcasm 2.0.

"They were, quite obviously after all that I just explained here, misinterpreting my work. The reason why is obvious: they don't read correctly." Nowhere here does it say that they "must" read it correctly. It just says that they didn't. Is/ought distinction.

You put your story out there on a platform like lit. Who do you expect will be reading this, Margaret Atwood? Terry Pratchett? At what level do you expect them to read? Your expectations are off - WAAAYY off. If you give the keys to your Ferrari to a 12-year old, he will crash it. You can't get mad that he didn't miraculously win the Indy 500 with it. You need to give the keys to a professional driver - ie, you need to find a higher level platform than literotica for the readers that you seek.

I'll just take this as a concession that some things I have actually said about SOME Lit readers is true.

However, I never said the entire audience was dumb, I said my haters are dumb. That's a vocal minority of the readership.

You speak of thousands of readers who criticized you,

Nope. The comments were never above 10 and rarely above 5. And there aren't thousands of people in these threads. Less of them like OS. So, do the math: thousands of readers were actually silent about it. They didn't criticize me. I never said it was thousands or even most that were misreading me. I said there probably are people who read it well who just didn't comment.

Do you really not understand why I wouldn't respect a writer who blatantly disregards feedback because they're butthurt? Or a writer who calls people hysterical because they disagree with them?

Yeah, if you got the "feedback" I had gotten, you'd disregard it, too. It was literally just hatred and blathering and violent language and some troll asking the same questions I already answered in the text repeatedly, trying to undermine the premise of the story for no good reason.

But, as we can see here:

Your behavior in this thread raises considerable doubts over your credibility. Did you actually receive hate comments or were they just negative feedback? Also, death threats? You didn't mention that originally.
My remark about undertones is unrelated to what you did with AI. Your readers accuse your characters of being downright vile, so I wouldn't dare read anything of yours because of how sensitive I am to "mere" (not quoting you here) undertones.

You're just another bad faith actor here trying to sabotage and hijack me for no reason. I didn't feel any need to mention the death threats in the original post because I thought everyone would remember. Here I was assuming good faith engagement from everyone and here I am in the wrong once again.

PS. I was about to send this when I saw a reply from OverconfidentSarcasm. I'll be honest, I completely misunderstood your original rant and you were right - I lacked context! What the actual fuck? Have you read what you wrote? Are you trolling? Yeah, I don't know where this "mythical abuse notion" comes from. How could anybody claim that torture, rape, and castration are abuse?

Have YOU read what I wrote?!?!? Click his links. I didn't say what he said I said, and those things aren't in my story.

You've been told this countless times already, but here's a tip if you continue writing: if all or almost all of your readers are misinterpreting your work, they aren't. Either you can't convey ideas or you're a gaslighter.

How's the weather up there on your high horse? This is a total strawman and you are a part of the problem I described in the original post. You must either have zero capability to actually engage with reality and just go by the false impressions you have in your own head or you're doing this on purpose because you're a parasite trying to kill someone else's career before it even gets started. You can shove it up your ass and leave me alone from now on.

 

[tonyp]

I think it is like using a calculator

 

[VerbalAbuse]

You can shove it up your ass and leave me alone from now on.

And @sexy_louise, if you have difficulties with the shoving up your ass part, I stand ready to assist you (and any other sexy in the audience.)

 

[Jackie.Hikaru]

thick, gooey, melt-in-your-mouth flange feta

Flange feta?

Like

 

[sexy_louise]

Nope. The comments were never above 10 and rarely above 5. And there aren't thousands of people in these threads. Less of them like OS. So, do the math: thousands of readers were actually silent about it. They didn't criticize me. I never said it was thousands or even most that were misreading me. I said there probably are people who read it well who just didn't comment.

Alright, well I didn't have that information. I only read the opening post of this thread and your replies to me, so if by any chance you mentioned the actual number somewhere, feel free to point me to it because I'm not about to read several pages of this foolishness.

In your original post you mention thousands of reads and an unspecified number of hate comments along with an expression of hope that "maybe" there are people out there who read your work the way you intended. To me that implies there were at least hundreds who didn't, and your extreme (disproportionate?) reaction to the comments certainly did nothing to change my perception of their volume. My bad for assuming, but in that case: why are you so bothered by 5-10 people disliking your stories, to the point of removing them from the website and throwing a hissy fit here? From what I gather, it's not your first time either. Don't you have better things to do? Oh wait, you probably don't.

It was literally just hatred and blathering and violent language

Did your stories have a bad overall rating? Or was it 4.9 with a bunch of negative comments? And if indeed they were hate comments and death threats, did you report them? Was anything done about them?

You're just another bad faith actor here trying to sabotage and hijack me for no reason. I didn't feel any need to mention the death threats in the original post because I thought everyone would remember. Here I was assuming good faith engagement from everyone and here I am in the wrong once again.

Just how delusional and self-important do you have to be to think everyone is out to get you? For the record, I hadn't even heard of a madelinemasoch until I saw this post in "what's new" last Sunday. I promise you, I am not a bad faith actor trying to sabotage your oh-so-promising career (aren't you the one doing that by deleting your stories?). The premise of this thread piqued my interest so I decided to put my two cents in. Why are you making yourself out to be a victim of some conspiracy?

Have YOU read what I wrote?!?!? Click his links. I didn't say what he said I said, and those things aren't in my story.

I did and you seem to be contradicting yourself there. Based on these snippets, torture porn is an accurate description in my view.

This is a total strawman and you are a part of the problem I described in the original post.

I already addressed this.

You must either have zero capability to actually engage with reality and just go by the false impressions you have in your own head

You're a fine one to talk, and besides, you didn't care to challenge those false impressions until now.

You can shove it up your ass and leave me alone from now on.

Oh, but I couldn't possibly strip myself of this pleasure and let you have the last word

 

[sexy_louise]

And @sexy_louise, if you have difficulties with the shoving up your ass part, I stand ready to assist you (and any other sexy in the audience.)

Hmm... You know what, I might need help in that area

 

[madelinemasoch]

Alright, well I didn't have that information.

No, you did have that information, because I already said so in the thread. You lied about what I said and I corrected you.

In your original post you mention thousands of reads and an unspecified number of hate comments along with an expression of hope that "maybe" there are people out there who read your work the way you intended. To me that implies there were at least hundreds who didn't, and your extreme (disproportionate?) reaction to the comments certainly did nothing to change my perception of their volume. My bad for assuming,

Yeah, it is your bad for assuming, because it doesn't imply that. Nobody knows how the thousands of people who didn't comment felt about it.

My bad for assuming, but in that case: why are you so bothered by 5-10 people disliking your stories, to the point of removing them from the website and throwing a hissy fit here? From what I gather, it's not your first time either. Don't you have better things to do? Oh wait, you probably don't.

I never threw a hissy fit. I proved the point that my stories were misread.

Your condescension is rude.

Also, I didn't take them down because of negative feedback. The reason why I took them down is private information.

Did your stories have a bad overall rating? Or was it 4.9 with a bunch of negative comments? And if indeed they were hate comments and death threats, did you report them? Was anything done about them?

I don't think you can report anonymous comments, but who cares? It barely matters beyond the points I've already made. What's with the sudden concern? You're just setting me up so you can say it was my own fault.

Just how delusional and self-important do you have to be to think everyone is out to get you?

I didn't say "everyone is out to get me." I'm talking about you and OverconfidentSarcasm in particular.

I promise you, I am not a bad faith actor trying to sabotage your oh-so-promising career (aren't you the one doing that by deleting your stories?). The premise of this thread piqued my interest so I decided to put my two cents in. Why are you making yourself out to be a victim of some conspiracy?

You lied about me, and fed into OverconfidentSarcasm's lies about me and what I've said and what I've written. It's as simple as that. There isn't a "conspiracy" and I never said there was. You're just a liar. It's that simple.

I did and you seem to be contradicting yourself there. Based on these snippets, torture porn is an accurate description in my view.

Then you're just being dishonest because when you click the links they don't say what he claimed I said.

You're a fine one to talk, and besides, you didn't care to challenge those false impressions until now.

I already disproved everything and the rest disproves itself.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

Then you're just being dishonest because when you click the links they don't say what he claimed I said.

I already disproved everything and the rest disproves itself.

I had planned to just ignore the thread after realizing your agenda, but after seeing you spring that narrative of me (and others) lying about you in other threads as well, I feel the need to explain this to you like you're five.

I did not include those links as proof of something. I even expressly mentioned that you got rid of all the proof when you pulled your stories. I posted those links for you. As a reminder that we had this discussion before, while your stories were still up and available for everyone to read. And so everybody who follows those links can see that EVERYBODY who did read your filth unilaterally agreed that it's positively disgusting torture porn. Even the authors of this forum, who (mostly) see and judge our writing as a craft instead of sharing masturbation fantasies and personal preferences, told you as much.

...and that should tell you something.

Now, I said it before, and I'll say it again: I know that Lit claims to be all about kink-positivity, and I accept and support that. But sadism is not a kink. It's a mental disorder. And you continue to prove this the more you try to portray yourself as some kind of harbinger of the "submission goddess", or claim to be a misunderstood artist, or blame your chosen audience for not being enlightened enough.