Just why?

[psiberzerker]

Money is a means of production, nobody produces much of anything without it...It was a trillion dollars. Do you not understand that was the private property of the various citizens before the government took it?

No it's not, stop making up bullshit definitions for the word.

Your definition of Socialism is NO PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF A MEANS OF PRODUCTION. That means no Wealth, since you also define wealth as private ownership of a means of production. There's a word for that: Capitalism.

You just defined that, Trillion dollars as a means of production. Voluntary taxation as "Seizing" it, (Not the factories) and redistribution to Privately held corporations (Without seizing anything from them) as Socialism. Because you payed into it.

So, Cash for Clunkers, a marketing campaign for taxpayers to buy more cars, bail out businesses for the failings of capitalism (Not Socialism, they weren't threatened because of welfare checks.) is not Socialism at work. The tax money was redistributed to private ownership, private ownership of cars went up, and nobody got a handout. (Just increased sales.)

Nothing, none of that is anywhere in the definition you keep positing of Socialism. It wasn't a seizure, the means of production were kept in private hands, wealth redistribution is capitalism, you can't have wealth without private ownership, it wasn't socialism in any way, shape, or form..

Did you at least get a new car out of it? I should hope so, because your (Voluntary) tax dollars payed for everyone else's discount.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Your definition of Socialism is NO PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF A MEANS OF PRODUCTION.

No it's not....you DESPERATELY need to learn how to read.

Definition of socialism
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism


When the government takes ownership over the means of production (like a trillion bucks) and then administrates it's distribution (like too big to fail) it's socialism.


When PRIVATE (not government) entities distribute their wealth (spend/invest their money)....it's called capitalism.

Definition of capitalism
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalism

The tax money was redistributed to private ownership,

Redistributed by the government.

It wasn't a seizure,

Yes it was, for over a trillion dollars.

That's what taxation is, a seizure of means/wealth/property.

wealth redistribution is capitalism,

Not when the government does it.