Laughing Stock

[sr71plt]

Back in the eighties we had a program which used puppets to take the piss out of politicians on both sides of the Atlantic. With the election of Donald trump and the Non-Election of Theresa May (that's our Prime Minister by the way) many are calling for its return.

To give you a flavour of it here is how they treated Reagan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb71YBLCqYU

Why would you need surrogate puppets for this? Trump takes care of this directly.

 

[JackLuis]

Kurt Eichenwald: ‘Spineless’ GOP so scared of Trump they won’t criticize ‘Nazis in the White House’

As Rethuglicans fall off the edge of the political spectrum they don't have the guts to call for help!

 

[Nezhul]

Along with the Nobel Peace Prize. Laughing stock indeed...

As if he did something to earn it other than he was black.
Yes, I completely agree - laughing stock.

 

[phrodeau]

As if he did something to earn it other than he was black.
Yes, I completely agree - laughing stock.

You are just another ignorant racist. I suggest you look up the Nobel Peace Prize for Obama, which lists the reasons he was awarded it, and see if the word black appears there.

 

[sr71plt]

As if he did something to earn it other than he was black.
Yes, I completely agree - laughing stock.

He earned it because he brought an era of hope in humanity all across the globe. It was an affirmation of an international trend. No, it didn't last. That doesn't mean it wasn't a worthy highlight by the Nobel Academy. The Academy often uses the award to encourage world leaders to go down a chosen constructive and hopeful (in terms of world peace) path (that's why it's been awarded so often for actors in the Middle East issue). That's just as worthy a way to use the award as for achievements booked, if there aren't any outstanding achievements booked across the world that year.

It's your problem that you're racist.

 

[Nezhul]

I'm not a racist, but Obama did NOTHING when he got the award. He got it for nothing, barely a month or two (I don't remember) after he became a president.

He got it for three reasons.
1) He promised to end Iraq war. Yeah. An election promise is worthy of an award nowadays. Why doesn't Trump get an award for "Making America Great Again" - hey, he promised that too, so that's as good as an accomplished fact now, right?
2) First black president, bringing the symbol of equality yada-yada. May not have been official reason, but it's part of that.
3) Someone in the EU REALLY wanted to suck up to USA. The award was political.

Obama didn't deserve the award. Not before he got it, and definitely not after, when he began starting wars and supporting revolutions and government overthrows, further destabilizing the situation on the middle east.
But hey, who can blame the guy with a Peace Award, right?

Now, would you please stop with the bullshit about "If there are no worthy candidates that year, the prize is used to give a message to everyone" - because that's not how it works. That - is a load of crap. And you know it.
If you for one second can believe yourself that there were no more worthy candidates for the peace award than Obama - I feel really sorry for you now. Because there were - dozens, hundreds, thousands. Obama got the prize because someone needed him to get it - not because he did something good, not because he brought "hope" to the entire world (Which is another pile of ridiculous bullshit).
He was a powerful american dude and that's why he got it.

That's why I said. The only quality of notice that he got when he won the prize - was him being black.
Election promises - not worthy of consideration. There were better promises before, and better promises will be made in the future.
Achievements as a world leader - non existent at the time (and non existent even now, after 8 years).
Personal goodness or redeeming qualities - non existent.
Any signs he would be a messiah of good - non existent.
Good intentions. Haha, oh yeah. Setting aside the obvious fact that no one could judge his goodness by his public image, good intentions alone never achieve anything. And they didn't for Obama.
Oh! First black US president! Now that's worthy of celebration.

Will you argue now that Obama got a ton of free credit and free mindless votes because of his skin color? There's such thing as racism, people, but there's also such thing as clear thinking.

 

[JackLuis]

‘Trying not to laugh’: Ex-CIA director ridicules Trump officials accusing British of wiretapping Trump Towers

“Look, we’re really close,” he continued. “It is an integrated operation, but one absolute rule is that no one can ask partners to do that which is illegal for himself, or that which is illegal for the partner. And that’s never been done in the ‘Five Eyes’ alliance.”

Asked if the NSA had ever received such a request from another country, Hayden shot that down too.

“That is way up there in seriousness, ” he replied. “I’m telling you we can’t do anything for an ally that the ally itself isn’t allowed to do. You can’t export or off-shore these requirements because your law prevents you from doing them.”

Laws! Trumpster don't need no fucking laws!

 

[sr71plt]

I'm not a racist, but Obama did NOTHING when he got the award. He got it for nothing, barely a month or two (I don't remember) after he became a president.

Guess you are too dogged about your dogma to even have read my post. A Nobel prize winner doesn't have to have actually done anything yet to get the prize other than show potential to do something great internationally with the encouragement that the Nobel Prize brings. It's been awarded that way time and time again. And it isn't Obama's fault that the new era of hope internationally didn't pan out. It's racists like you--oh yes that's exactly what you exhibited--who prevented it from getting established.

 

[Nezhul]

just live in your fairy tale, Pilot.

I'll better be called a racist than a blind motherfucker who is trained to be triggered to shout "Racism!" whenever the word "black" is said.

Guess you are too dogged about your dogma to even have read my post.

Right back at you. I heard you. I just said - cut the bullshit. That's not how the Noble prize works. Just read the fucking Noble's instructions, will you.
It is to be awarded to people with achievements. Not potential - real ACHIEVEMENTS.
How it's used - well, we can all see now that it's used to kiss someone chocolate eye (and that's not racism pun this time, unless you read it like one).

But that's a different matter. To receive a prise like this for doing NOTHING, and to accept it, and then to crap on it publicly through your real actual actions - that's shameful, and Obama is a laughing stock allright for that.

 

[JackLuis]

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Sources of Alt-Facts!​

 

[sr71plt]

and Obama is a laughing stock allright for that.

That must be why Obama was the Gallup Poll's most admired man for every year he was president and why his approval rating now is twice that of Donald Trump's.

You're such a (racist) tool. One wonders when/if you plan to wake up.

 

[Nezhul]

.That must be why Obama was the Gallup Poll's most admired man for every year he was president and why his approval rating now is twice that of Donald Trump's

believe those polls more, honey.
Last I heard, Clinton was gonna crush Trump with no even a slither of hope for him.

The polls will not tell you the truth. They will more often than not tell you what the poll makers want you to think is truth.

Obama, the most admired man? You're just blind and never saw this forum before Trump became the new go-to scrapegoat, I guess.

One wonders when/if you plan to wake up.

5 to 8 hours after I fall asleep, usually.
What I really wonder is when you stop deluding yourself.

 

[sr71plt]

Yeah, you're worthless.

And you think that political vomiting on a porn discussion board is representative of anything? Hahahahahaha/

 

[phrodeau]

Looks like neither one of you bothered to look it up.

https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/

The Nobel Peace Prize 2009 was awarded to Barack H. Obama "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples".

And that is an achievement, not an empty hope.

 

[Nezhul]

Yeah, you're worthless.

And you think that political vomiting on a porn discussion board is representative of anything? Hahahahahaha/

oh, so that's how all these raging threads about trump are called, then.

I guess in reality he's OK and most people love his rule.

Or did you mean to say that it was political vomiting about Obama, but now it is legitimate concerns about Trump?
Hahahahaha/ (c)

 

[sr71plt]

Looks like neither one of you bothered to look it up.

https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/
And that is an achievement, not an empty hope.

Yes I'm aware of that. But, yes, he was awarded the prize before he actually did anything other than be the symbol of hope (which in Nobel Peace Prize terms, was good enough, depending on what else had happened that year). That's not anything he actively had done yet other than win the U.S. presidency--it was just how he was perceived. He was barely in the position to have done anything when he got the prize. He was a junior U.S. senator before that, not an earth shaker.

You could be a little more objective on this (and knowledgeable about what goes into awarding the Nobel Peace Prize). It's traditional more a carrot than a crown.

 

[sr71plt]

Or did you mean to say that it was political vomiting about Obama, but now it is l (c)

What I mean is that you are (actually, continue to be) a worthless, pathetic tool.

 

[Nezhul]

Looks like neither one of you bothered to look it up.

https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/
And that is an achievement, not an empty hope.

OK.
Now tell me, if you will, what exactly did he DO to strengthen international relationships in his 11 days of rule before the award?

He's a quick fellow, isn't he? 11 days in the office and already he has expended so much efforts to unite the world and merited such achievements that he's worthy of a noble prize.

So, what did he do exactly? Can you tell?

 

[Nezhul]

What I mean is that you are (actually, continue to be) a worthless, pathetic tool.

I'm sure that anyone reading this will agree how these words justify your arguments as sane, thoughtful and mature. Not raging bullshit in any form, no.

 

[Nezhul]

But, yes, he was awarded the prize before he actually did anything other than be the symbol of hope (which in Nobel Peace Prize terms, was good enough, depending on what else had happened that year). That's not anything he actively had done yet other than win the U.S. presidency--it was just how he was perceived. He was barely in the position to have done anything when he got the prize.

by that logic, any president winning any election of any country is worthy of a prize. Because they are in a position to change the world.

I don't see many being nominated, though. Let alone winning.
There was a reason for Obama to be an exception, and the only exceptional quality about him at the moment was that for the first time a president had slightly more melanin in his skin.
He literally had no other qualities or achievements that separated him from any other president before him.

I dare you - name one.

Also, I would be racist if I hated or oppressed black people (or any race, really). I don't. I don't mind any race, black included.
What I hate though is pretending that there are no races. I hate when pointing racial differences is automatically called racist, which is exactly what you do. Excuse me, but you need to really gouge your eyes out not to notice that Obama was, in fact, black. You need to throw your brain down the drain not to notice that A LOT of people thought this to be a meaningful enough difference to vote for him. They did.
Many people voted for Obama because he was black - fact.

 

[KingOrfeo]

As if he did something to earn it other than he was black.
Yes, I completely agree - laughing stock.

That prize was really an award to the American people just for repudiating the Pubs, and we deserved it just for that; Trump and his voters will never deserve it.

 

[phrodeau]

OK.
Now tell me, if you will, what exactly did he DO to strengthen international relationships in his 11 days of rule before the award?

He's a quick fellow, isn't he? 11 days in the office and already he has expended so much efforts to unite the world and merited such achievements that he's worthy of a noble prize.

So, what did he do exactly? Can you tell?

Eleven days? Let's see...

He didn't take a phone call from the President of Taiwan.
He didn't bad-mouth Mexicans, or demand that they pay for a wall.
He didn't talk about NATO as if the other members were freeloaders.
He didn't offer praise of Vladimir Putin or Saddam Hussein.

So there are lots of things he didn't do. I guess he was just shiftless.

 

[adrina]

I guess in reality he's OK and most people love his rule.

Define "most people" and source this. Everything I've seen does not support what you say. Even the core supporters I know have grown less enthusiastic and vocal as more embarrassing events pile up.

 

[lovecraft68]

Define "most people" and source this. Everything I've seen does not support what you say. Even the core supporters I know have grown less enthusiastic and vocal as more embarrassing events pile up.

I was never an enthusiastic supporter, but in the end threw my vote his way( I was throwing it away regardless in that crap bag election) rather than go with the woman married to a man just like him and equally dirty.

The second he brought Bannon in to rule for him-oh I mean advise him-I was disgusted with him and myself and with both the dems and pugs for giving us to detestable candidates.

 

[adrina]

I was never an enthusiastic supporter, but in the end threw my vote his way( I was throwing it away regardless in that crap bag election) rather than go with the woman married to a man just like him and equally dirty.

The second he brought Bannon in to rule for him-oh I mean advise him-I was disgusted with him and myself and with both the dems and pugs for giving us to detestable candidates.

Could you please explain how Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are equally detestable? Bill is not the most well behaved man, make no mistake about it, but at least Bill has a long record of humanitarian acts and accomplishment in governance. No he was not perfect - please present one that was - but all in all the comparison of both men side by side is far from equivalent.

(And none of that even touches why we would hold Hillary as president accountable for her husband's misbehavior decades ago.)