Liberal Women are Unhappy

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Why not? Margaret Thatcher, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Vera Wang, Gal Gadot and many others had children and careers. If your society were to provide support for both male and female parents, not only would you have plenty of women with the opportunity for careers, you might also get that boost in fertility that your country seems to need right about now.

Cutting services for the people (male or female) you want to bring up the next generation seems rather foolish, no?

What next generation? There is no next generation after abortion.

Maybe if you didn't treat your women like shit they'd be more willing to put in the effort required to bear children?

But anyway, are you really wanting to go back to the days before Roe v. Wade when hospitals had wards dedicated to the injuries women suffered in back-alley or self-induced abortions?

Oh, wait, you do want to!

 

[Hel_Books]

Hel_Books said:
Why not? Margaret Thatcher, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Vera Wang, Gal Gadot and many others had children and careers. If your society were to provide support for both male and female parents, not only would you have plenty of women with the opportunity for careers, you might also get that boost in fertility that your country seems to need right about now.

How many time do I have to say it? If a woman’s dream is to climb the corporate ladder, she shouldn’t act surprised when no man wants to . . .

Perhaps. On the other hand, perhaps it's just you who feels uncomfortable at the thought of being in a relationship with a woman who makes more money than you do, or a woman who asks you to shoulder your part of the burden of raising kids.

 

[YDB95]

How many time do I have to say it? If a woman’s dream is to climb the corporate ladder, she shouldn’t act surprised when no man wants to carry her over a threshold.

Just because you don't want to doesn't mean no man does.

Men who want wives and families aren’t impressed by resumes or corner offices. They want women who nurture, not negotiate. The modern woman cannot trade her femininity for ambition, her fertility for credentials, and then wonder why she lives alone and the cradle stays empty.

It's not a zero sum game, and again, you don't speak for all men (thank heavens!).

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

wait till the 2026 mid terms

 

[PaxNurgle]

Never triggered, but always faithful to the cause of freedom.

"Faithful to the cause of freedom?" YOU??

Are you being ironic here?

NOBODY on this forum is more passionate about ABOLISHING individual liberty and personal freedoms than you, Vladimir Borislav Breshnev whatever your fucking real name is. And you know it.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

"Faithful to the cause of freedom?" YOU??

Are you being ironic here?

NOBODY on this forum is more passionate about ABOLISHING individual liberty and personal freedoms than you, Vladimir Borislav Breshnev whatever your fucking real name is. And you know it.

Iosseb Bessarionis dse Dschughaschwili is the name you are searching for.

 

[Rightguide]

Just because you don't want to doesn't mean no man does.


It's not a zero sum game, and again, you don't speak for all men (thank heavens!).

So tell us why the marriage rate is at an all time low and TikTok is brimming with women wondering where all the men are?

 

[Rightguide]

Perhaps. On the other hand, perhaps it's just you who feels uncomfortable at the thought of being in a relationship with a woman who makes more money than you do, or a woman who asks you to shoulder your part of the burden of raising kids.

Maybe you're just reaching for straws and have no clue.

 

[ll74]

So tell us why the marriage rate is at an all time low and TikTok is brimming with women wondering where all the men are?

Because your algorithm, which developed from your behavior on the app, shows you that.

 

[HisArpy]

Maybe if you didn't treat your women like shit they'd be more willing to put in the effort required to bear children?

But anyway, are you really wanting to go back to the days before Roe v. Wade when hospitals had wards dedicated to the injuries women suffered in back-alley or self-induced abortions?

Oh, wait, you do want to!

You need to get a clue. I'm one of the very few conservatives on this board who is outspoken about supporting abortion and individual choice. So it's not about "me treating my woman like shit." It's about YOU deciding that you don't like what I say so you point at me and loudly scream that I'm the problem. It's not me, it's you. It's always been you and always will be you no matter what forum you're using because you can't see/think beyond the daily narrative. If, that is, you think at all instead of just parroting what you're told like a good little numbskull. So yes, it's you.



Roe was a horrible decision. Not for the decision itself, which it was from a logic standpoint, but because women ceded the power to control their own procreation to the government by allowing the government to get involved in the first place. And now you're fighting to get it back, which won't ever happen.

It's like the gay marriage thing. Marriage is a religious rite. As such the government should have NO VOICE regarding who can/can't be married. But, by asking the government to decide if gays can be married, the door was opened for government to control the issue, not the people or their religious leaders/churches. Conservatives GAVE AWAY the power to determine this themselves and they're still trying to get it back, which they never will.

Government never gives up what it takes unless it's forced to do so. Even a court decision on the issue is still the government deciding if you have freedom/liberty or not.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Just because you don't want to doesn't mean no man does.


It's not a zero sum game, and again, you don't speak for all men (thank heavens!).

That's probably been the biggest change in "conservative" politics in the past 20 years.
"White people MUST win!" has always been their rallying cry, but along the way the fringe looney interpretation pushed by Ishmael, AJ and Vetteman took root: "It's not enough for White people to WIN, minorities must LOSE!"

Same sort of perverted reinterpretation in Israel too: "Israel has a right to exist! morphed into "Israel has a right to exist, which requires Israel to destroy Islamic nations in the name of "National Security".

 

[Meekly_Anna]

Government never gives up what it takes unless it's forced to do so. Even a court decision on the issue is still the government deciding if you have freedom/liberty or not.

Your assertions about governments are like almost all of your assertions. You just throw something out there and present it as irrefutable truth without any justification. Anything that doesn't fit into your world view is ignored or presented as false.
Let's try to falsify your assertion.
So you claim that anything a government ever regulates or stipulates is no longer released by it.
Curtain up: (EEC) No. 1677/88.
The regulation was introduced in 1988 with Regulation (EEC) No. 1677/88 and specified marketing classes for cucumbers. For the ‘Extra’ and Class I categories, a maximum curvature of 10 millimetres per 10 centimetres of cucumber length was prescribed, among other things, in order to ensure uniform transport and trade.
The regulation was repealed without replacement in 2009. The reason given for the repeal was essentially ‘we don't have to regulate every little thing at European level. If the trade wants straight cucumbers, it should decide that for itself.’
You see, that proves that you were talking nonsense.

The rest of your bullshit can be falsified by someone else. I have important things to do. Sorting my socks.

 

[stxjimmy]

You need to get a clue. I'm one of the very few conservatives on this board who is outspoken about supporting abortion and individual choice. So it's not about "me treating my woman like shit." It's about YOU deciding that you don't like what I say so you point at me and loudly scream that I'm the problem. It's not me, it's you. It's always been you and always will be you no matter what forum you're using because you can't see/think beyond the daily narrative. If, that is, you think at all instead of just parroting what you're told like a good little numbskull. So yes, it's you.



Roe was a horrible decision. Not for the decision itself, which it was from a logic standpoint, but because women ceded the power to control their own procreation to the government by allowing the government to get involved in the first place. And now you're fighting to get it back, which won't ever happen.

It's like the gay marriage thing. Marriage is a religious rite. As such the government should have NO VOICE regarding who can/can't be married. But, by asking the government to decide if gays can be married, the door was opened for government to control the issue, not the people or their religious leaders/churches. Conservatives GAVE AWAY the power to determine this themselves and they're still trying to get it back, which they never will.

Government never gives up what it takes unless it's forced to do so. Even a court decision on the issue is still the government deciding if you have freedom/liberty or not.

Roe allowed women the ultimate choice of controlling their own procreation. No more having to listen to conservative men, freedom to decide themselves at each stage.
Yet here is another conservative man arguing that women ceded those rights to the govt.
Makes no sense whatsoever, especially when the govt did actually remove said rights.
derpy is confused.

 

[HisArpy]

Your assertions about governments are like almost all of your assertions. You just throw something out there and present it as irrefutable truth without any justification. Anything that doesn't fit into your world view is ignored or presented as false.
Let's try to falsify your assertion.
So you claim that anything a government ever regulates or stipulates is no longer released by it.
Curtain up: (EEC) No. 1677/88.
The regulation was introduced in 1988 with Regulation (EEC) No. 1677/88 and specified marketing classes for cucumbers. For the ‘Extra’ and Class I categories, a maximum curvature of 10 millimetres per 10 centimetres of cucumber length was prescribed, among other things, in order to ensure uniform transport and trade.
The regulation was repealed without replacement in 2009. The reason given for the repeal was essentially ‘we don't have to regulate every little thing at European level. If the trade wants straight cucumbers, it should decide that for itself.’
You see, that proves that you were talking nonsense.

The rest of your bullshit can be falsified by someone else. I have important things to do. Sorting my socks.

Yes, because labeling cucumbers is right up there with infringements on civil rights and liberties.

You're a fuckwit. Did you know that? You decided that you didn't like what someone on the internet said so now you go out of your way to post bullshit just to prove to yourself (because no one else cares) that you're "better" than the guy you've never met but don't like anyway.

 

[HisArpy]

Roe allowed women the ultimate choice of controlling their own procreation.

Really? Women had the "ultimate choice?" Like "ultimate" means only in the first trimester or being subject to other restrictions on where and by whom.

That's what you think "ultimate choice" means?

No more having to listen to conservative men, freedom to decide themselves at each stage.

Unless that decision is prohibited by law.

Yet here is another conservative man arguing that women ceded those rights to the govt.

Which women did. Had women rallied together behind a constitutional amendment which supported their rights under the 4th Amendment's "PERSON, houses, papers, and effects" clause there couldn't be any broad infringement at all. Instead, like with warrants, the gov would have had to go to court first to prevent a specific individual from having an abortion and would have had to prove why the government needed to infringe upon that Constitutional Right when it's not a crime.

By not doing this, women and abortion supporters GAVE the government the power to regulate procreation as GOVERNMENT sees fit. Which has now occurred. Oops.

Makes no sense whatsoever, especially when the govt did actually remove said rights.

Really? When did government remove the right to an abortion? In what state is abortion outlawed entirely?

derpy is confused.

Unlike you, my thoughts are clear. Whenever you allow government to stick its foot in the door, you've lost the rights you're trying to protect.

Guess what happened when society ALLOWED government to decide the limits on abortion.

And here's the kicker... IF Government can decide when/where/how/IF a woman can have an abortion, what's to prevent that same Government from determining that women MUST have a child. Or that women must bear the children of select individuals. And who do you think Government is going to select as the "allowed father?" You? Or the fat slobs controlling the genetic lottery?

Women gave away their power to procreate by allowing government to decide the issue. Government now controls the entirety of the field. So far the Government has only limited abortion but that's not a limit on Government's power to do other things with a woman's body. The Government just hasn't tried to exercise that power yet.

But you go ahead and believe that you're right.

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

He looks happy?

 

[stxjimmy]

Really? Women had the "ultimate choice?" Like "ultimate" means only in the first trimester or being subject to other restrictions on where and by whom.

That's what you think "ultimate choice" means?


Unless that decision is prohibited by law.



Which women did. Had women rallied together behind a constitutional amendment which supported their rights under the 4th Amendment's "PERSON, houses, papers, and effects" clause there couldn't be any broad infringement at all. Instead, like with warrants, the gov would have had to go to court first to prevent a specific individual from having an abortion and would have had to prove why the government needed to infringe upon that Constitutional Right when it's not a crime.

By not doing this, women and abortion supporters GAVE the government the power to regulate procreation as GOVERNMENT sees fit. Which has now occurred. Oops.



Really? When did government remove the right to an abortion? In what state is abortion outlawed entirely?



Unlike you, my thoughts are clear. Whenever you allow government to stick its foot in the door, you've lost the rights you're trying to protect.

Guess what happened when society ALLOWED government to decide the limits on abortion.

And here's the kicker... IF Government can decide when/where/how/IF a woman can have an abortion, what's to prevent that same Government from determining that women MUST have a child. Or that women must bear the children of select individuals. And who do you think Government is going to select as the "allowed father?" You? Or the fat slobs controlling the genetic lottery?

Women gave away their power to procreate by allowing government to decide the issue. Government now controls the entirety of the field. So far the Government has only limited abortion but that's not a limit on Government's power to do other things with a woman's body. The Government just hasn't tried to exercise that power yet.

But you go ahead and believe that you're right.

Yes this post is not clear or concise, and ultimately is nonsense.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Really? When did government remove the right to an abortion? In what state is abortion outlawed entirely?

Abortion is illegal in all circumstances in Idaho, Texas, Georgia, and Mississippi, and illegal in most circumstances in at least a dozen other states. Even, in many cases, if the pregnancy causes a life-threatening emergency.

Which means, in Idaho, Texas, Mississippi, or Georgia, if you are 12 and get pregnant from your drug-addicted 43 year old "Boyfriend" then your body is the property of the State, and you are little more than State-owned breeding stock at that point. What's more, in some states (Texas) if you seek treatment out of state, and cross state lines, both you and the person who drove you, could be subject to jail time.

The government removed the right to an abortion when a rogue supreme court overturned decades worth of precedence because they refused to rule impartially and ruled according to their own judicial activism. As a result, several states passed laws basically relegating women to be little more than cattle, as far as pregnancy is concerned.

 

[HisArpy]

Abortion is illegal in all circumstances in Idaho, Texas, Georgia, and Mississippi, and illegal in most circumstances in at least a dozen other states. Even, in many cases, if the pregnancy causes a life-threatening emergency.

Which means, in Idaho, Texas, Mississippi, or Georgia, if you are 12 and get pregnant from your drug-addicted 43 year old "Boyfriend" then your body is the property of the State, and you are little more than State-owned breeding stock at that point. What's more, in some states (Texas) if you seek treatment out of state, and cross state lines, both you and the person who drove you, could be subject to jail time.

The government removed the right to an abortion when a rogue supreme court overturned decades worth of precedence because they refused to rule impartially and ruled according to their own judicial activism. As a result, several states passed laws basically relegating women to be little more than cattle, as far as pregnancy is concerned.

Per AI:

Idaho: The state has enacted a near-total ban on abortion, with exceptions only for cases of rape, incest, or when the mother's life is in serious danger. (emphasis added)

Texas: In 2021, the state enacted a law known as the "Heartbeat Act" that prohibits abortion after a fetal heartbeat is detected, which typically occurs around six weeks of pregnancy. (emphasis added)

Georgia:
abortion is generally illegal in Georgia after a fetal heartbeat is detected, which typically occurs around six weeks of pregnancy. However, there are exceptions:

Medical emergencies:
Abortion is permitted if it is necessary to save the life or health of the pregnant person.
Rape or incest:
Abortion is allowed up to 20 weeks of pregnancy if the pregnancy resulted from rape or incest, reported to law enforcement.
Fetal anomalies:
Abortion is allowed if the fetus has a severe, life-threatening anomaly that is incompatible with life. (emphasis added)

Mississippi: In 2022, the state enacted a law banning all abortions except in cases where the mother's life is in danger or the pregnancy is the result of rape or incest. (emphasis added)

There you go. In EACH AND EVERY STATE YOU LISTED abortion is STILL LEGAL AND AVAILABLE provided it meets with the restrictions enacted into law.

Thus there ARE NO STATES where abortion is totally illegal in all cases.

Further, the restrictions on abortion are not much more onerous than those which limited abortion under Roe to the first trimester. Abortion is, in most cases in the listed States, still available prior to a fetal heartbeat being detected.

So, your taking point is bunk, as usual, because it relies on the crap you're fed by those with an agenda to keep you uninformed and angry because that serves THEIR purpose.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

Per AI:

Idaho: The state has enacted a near-total ban on abortion, with exceptions only for cases of rape, incest, or when the mother's life is in serious danger. (emphasis added)

Texas: In 2021, the state enacted a law known as the "Heartbeat Act" that prohibits abortion after a fetal heartbeat is detected, which typically occurs around six weeks of pregnancy. (emphasis added)

Georgia:
abortion is generally illegal in Georgia after a fetal heartbeat is detected, which typically occurs around six weeks of pregnancy. However, there are exceptions:

Medical emergencies:
Abortion is permitted if it is necessary to save the life or health of the pregnant person.
Rape or incest:
Abortion is allowed up to 20 weeks of pregnancy if the pregnancy resulted from rape or incest, reported to law enforcement.
Fetal anomalies:
Abortion is allowed if the fetus has a severe, life-threatening anomaly that is incompatible with life. (emphasis added)

Mississippi: In 2022, the state enacted a law banning all abortions except in cases where the mother's life is in danger or the pregnancy is the result of rape or incest. (emphasis added)

There you go. In EACH AND EVERY STATE YOU LISTED abortion is STILL LEGAL AND AVAILABLE provided it meets with the restrictions enacted into law.

Thus there ARE NO STATES where abortion is totally illegal in all cases.

Further, the restrictions on abortion are not much more onerous than those which limited abortion under Roe to the first trimester. Abortion is, in most cases in the listed States, still available prior to a fetal heartbeat being detected.

So, your taking point is bunk, as usual, because it relies on the crap you're fed by those with an agenda to keep you uninformed and angry because that serves THEIR purpose.

You are a fucking stupid bastard.
Sorry, but that must be said in all clarity at last.
Heartbeat? Most women don't even know that they are pregnant after six weeks.
And for the sake of clarity: no, that's no child in there, it's a fetus. Cells becoming a child after a few months.
Rape or incest. Cool. Sounds good. On paper.
"Oh, Mr doctor, I was raped. Can you please remove it?"
"Sure, can you prove it? Shouldn't be a problem it only takes sixteen months until we get a final court decision. Except we need to go all the way. We probably will, because our state attorney is a big wig at the Republican party. Then it will take six years, provided you can afford it. See you in six years."
You fucking stupid bastard.

 

[stxjimmy]

You are a fucking stupid bastard.
Sorry, but that must be said in all clarity at last.
Heartbeat? Most women don't even know that they are pregnant after six weeks.
And for the sake of clarity: no, that's no child in there, it's a fetus. Cells becoming a child after a few months.
Rape or incest. Cool. Sounds good. On paper.
"Oh, Mr doctor, I was raped. Can you please remove it?"
"Sure, can you prove it? Shouldn't be a problem it only takes sixteen months until we get a final court decision. Except we need to go all the way. We probably will, because our state attorney is a big wig at the Republican party. Then it will take six years, provided you can afford it. See you in six years."
You fucking stupid bastard.

Well said.

 

[ll74]

You are a fucking stupid bastard.
Sorry, but that must be said in all clarity at last.
Heartbeat? Most women don't even know that they are pregnant after six weeks.
And for the sake of clarity: no, that's no child in there, it's a fetus. Cells becoming a child after a few months.
Rape or incest. Cool. Sounds good. On paper.
"Oh, Mr doctor, I was raped. Can you please remove it?"
"Sure, can you prove it? Shouldn't be a problem it only takes sixteen months until we get a final court decision. Except we need to go all the way. We probably will, because our state attorney is a big wig at the Republican party. Then it will take six years, provided you can afford it. See you in six years."
You fucking stupid bastard.

He thinks because the text says "abortion is allowed when life threatening....." That this means there is no question.

And adding to your statement - that doesn't take into account that a woman must travel to a place that offers abortions to get the proper care she needs....in some areas that means hours and hours of travel required.

 

[HisArpy]

You are a fucking stupid bastard.
Sorry, but that must be said in all clarity at last.
Heartbeat? Most women don't even know that they are pregnant after six weeks.
And for the sake of clarity: no, that's no child in there, it's a fetus. Cells becoming a child after a few months.
Rape or incest. Cool. Sounds good. On paper.
"Oh, Mr doctor, I was raped. Can you please remove it?"
"Sure, can you prove it? Shouldn't be a problem it only takes sixteen months until we get a final court decision. Except we need to go all the way. We probably will, because our state attorney is a big wig at the Republican party. Then it will take six years, provided you can afford it. See you in six years."
You fucking stupid bastard.

This sounds like a you problem, not an "abortion is illegal everywhere" problem.

 

[ll74]

You can legally get an abortion in all 50 states.
Those states can legally make it impossible for you to have an abortion.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

You can legally get an abortion in all 50 states.
Those states can legally make it impossible for you to have an abortion.

After reading a lot of good posts I'm pretty sure I have an idea why he doesn't like abortion.