Like Father, Like Daughter
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Mischka said:
It's really sad to see liberals compare the actions of a sober 17 year old minority with a privileged icon drunken white male killer.
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concerned father 2 said:
yeah, but let's keep her father out of this.
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Irregardless of celebrity, she should have the book tossed at her. Period. You know, she grew up the governor's daughter, she may be rebelling against the whole Governor's/President's Daughter image the only way she can think of without bothering to realize the full consequences of doing so.
She is a human being, with thoughts and feelings. She's been, like her sisters, a political crutch to her father. She's had to smile and be happy, pose for the cameras, let the public into her life and pander to that public for her father. What's she gotten out of the deal? Nevermind the fame and the cash. She's going to lash out at her father in a way guaranteed to hurt him, if she is indeed rebelling.
Chelsea is a different daughter, and from what I understand, is doing her best to live out of the public eye and be her own woman. Give her the right to her privacy.
None of these children chose to be President's Children. Some of them grew up well, choosing responsibly. Others didn't.
I think that if the media totally ignored her, she'd knock her stuff off, cause there is no one to pander to. It's tough being the imperfect one, she's not the model, she's not the Yalie, she has no claim to fame so she's chosen to be the bad one. This doesn't make it right, but this doesn't mean that she's just like or should aspire to be like all the "good" presidential kids either.
Condemnation without understanding is brutal, merciless, and wrong. Unless it's the politicians themselves. Whack at them.
She is a human being, with thoughts and feelings. She's been, like her sisters, a political crutch to her father. She's had to smile and be happy, pose for the cameras, let the public into her life and pander to that public for her father. What's she gotten out of the deal? Nevermind the fame and the cash. She's going to lash out at her father in a way guaranteed to hurt him, if she is indeed rebelling.
Chelsea is a different daughter, and from what I understand, is doing her best to live out of the public eye and be her own woman. Give her the right to her privacy.
None of these children chose to be President's Children. Some of them grew up well, choosing responsibly. Others didn't.
I think that if the media totally ignored her, she'd knock her stuff off, cause there is no one to pander to. It's tough being the imperfect one, she's not the model, she's not the Yalie, she has no claim to fame so she's chosen to be the bad one. This doesn't make it right, but this doesn't mean that she's just like or should aspire to be like all the "good" presidential kids either.
Condemnation without understanding is brutal, merciless, and wrong. Unless it's the politicians themselves. Whack at them.
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come on girls
Naughty naughty
Don't stoke the fire.....
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Don't stoke the fire.....
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Conservatives love to espouse personal responsibility...yet seem to lack that bit of character themselves in regards to their children,YOUR children learn more by watching your behavior....than any amount of nagging...so you tell me...Who is truly lacking in personal integrity in this incident?
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You know the liberals always play the "blame game". I believe that at a certain point you are responsible for your actions. Jenna is in college. She made her own bad decision. George Bush has never lied about his background. He did take personal responsibility for his actions and He stood up and admitted it. As a parent, I have made some stupid mistakes, but when I do, I do sit down with my children and admit it.
If we played the children do what the parents did then I would of raped 5 year old children, beat the hell out of my family, and become a fucking psychopath. Instead, not in any way am I anything special, I have chose to rise above it. I moved away, I worked hard, very very hard and became the top in my profession, I played sports, got good grades, and ............well I think you have the point. George is no more responsible for Jenna's actions than your parents were of yours when you reached a majority. So, any screw ups you make, lets just blame mom and dad.
Food for thought.
If we played the children do what the parents did then I would of raped 5 year old children, beat the hell out of my family, and become a fucking psychopath. Instead, not in any way am I anything special, I have chose to rise above it. I moved away, I worked hard, very very hard and became the top in my profession, I played sports, got good grades, and ............well I think you have the point. George is no more responsible for Jenna's actions than your parents were of yours when you reached a majority. So, any screw ups you make, lets just blame mom and dad.
Food for thought.
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so you're saying it's perfectly all right for a father to use his position of power to keep his child from suffering the consequences of her actions? doesn't sound like you're addvocating personal responsibility to me
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She has been caught twice in one month in alcohol related incidents. This is not a question of shifting the blame to her father, but discussing whether this is the result of youthful indiscretion, or the first signs of alcoholism. She is widely known as a full-fledged party girl in Austin. These are merely the two times she's been caught. Considering her family's history with addictions, I believe she's inherited the Bush alcoholism gene.unusuallyconfused said:
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Hear! Hear!
This point bears repeating!
Very few of us have any idea what it's like to grow up in a spotlight. I know I certainly don't, although growing up in a small town does have a few similarities it is nothing like the pressure politician's children grow up under.
Rebelling against the constraints she was raised under is no excuse for breaking the law. Finally cracking under the strain of having to "be a good girl" for so long might be a reason for her actions, but that's not an excuse either.
As a Reformed Lush, born of a convergence of two long lineages of Lushes and Alcoholics, I can sympathize with the need to turn to drink to solve problems. Judgement is NOT a factor when you need a drink. Putting anyone with a predisposition for addiction under the kind of pressure living in the spotlight generates is a recipe for personal tragedy and disaster.
Jenna Bush is no different than teenage sports stars, actors, and musicians; although she should be better prepared for life in the eye of the national press than those who rise from rags to riches. She has little privacy in her life, and threads like this just erode what little privacy she does have.
KM is correct, Jenna doesn't have any problems that can't be made better by a little common courtesy by the media.
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This point bears repeating!
Very few of us have any idea what it's like to grow up in a spotlight. I know I certainly don't, although growing up in a small town does have a few similarities it is nothing like the pressure politician's children grow up under.
Rebelling against the constraints she was raised under is no excuse for breaking the law. Finally cracking under the strain of having to "be a good girl" for so long might be a reason for her actions, but that's not an excuse either.
As a Reformed Lush, born of a convergence of two long lineages of Lushes and Alcoholics, I can sympathize with the need to turn to drink to solve problems. Judgement is NOT a factor when you need a drink. Putting anyone with a predisposition for addiction under the kind of pressure living in the spotlight generates is a recipe for personal tragedy and disaster.
Jenna Bush is no different than teenage sports stars, actors, and musicians; although she should be better prepared for life in the eye of the national press than those who rise from rags to riches. She has little privacy in her life, and threads like this just erode what little privacy she does have.
KM is correct, Jenna doesn't have any problems that can't be made better by a little common courtesy by the media.
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Re: Hear! Hear!
the same media who called Chelsea Clinton 'a dog' among other unrepeatable names? a republican is in the white house and now you're expecting decency? 8 years of bashing the prez's family is a long time. paybacks a bitch.
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the same media who called Chelsea Clinton 'a dog' among other unrepeatable names? a republican is in the white house and now you're expecting decency? 8 years of bashing the prez's family is a long time. paybacks a bitch.
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Re: Re: Hear! Hear!
WTF? You been reading or listining to a different media than me!concerned father 4 said:
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Everyone has pain, Siren. Just cause they're rich and famous and can cool off in the Bahamas doesn't mean they don't suffer, too. You may think that being wealthy is a panacea, but I think being rich and famous makes things worse. Her dreams may revolve around a normal family where Dad works in a quiet, unassuming job and mom makes cookies. Your dream may be to be as financially well off as she is.
Understanding her doesn't mean condoning what she does. It doesn't mean she shouldn't get equal treatment under the law. It just means that we understand that she is the same as the rest of us. Human and suffering. She isn't some rich, fairy princess with a storybook life. Those things don't exist.
The sad part is that Daddy will help her out of her current mess rather than let her learn a much deserved lesson. A parent's love can hurt more than it helps sometimes.
Poor people do not have a corner on the suffering market. We all get what's coming to us in the end. She'll get hers, it may not be via the justice system and it may never be in a way we can see, but she will get her fair share of pain.
Understanding her doesn't mean condoning what she does. It doesn't mean she shouldn't get equal treatment under the law. It just means that we understand that she is the same as the rest of us. Human and suffering. She isn't some rich, fairy princess with a storybook life. Those things don't exist.
The sad part is that Daddy will help her out of her current mess rather than let her learn a much deserved lesson. A parent's love can hurt more than it helps sometimes.
Poor people do not have a corner on the suffering market. We all get what's coming to us in the end. She'll get hers, it may not be via the justice system and it may never be in a way we can see, but she will get her fair share of pain.
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Columnist Molly Ivins reported (Arizona Republic 10/17/93) this incident from Limbaugh's TV show--"Here is a Limbaugh joke: Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat. Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is a White House dog?" And he puts up a picture of Chelsea Clinton. Chelsea Clinton is 13 years old.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a8bf6eb7855.htm
"Item: When Chelsea went off to Stanford, we were told that she planned to study to become a pediatric cardiologist. How noble! — to give over one's life to curing the heart problems of little kiddies! Yeah, right. A Clinton, giving over her life for anything at all other than…herself. Now that there is no need for spin, we hear that her next stop is at Oxford University to study economics. That's about m-o-n-e-y. Much more interesting than those damn kids and their stupid messed-up hearts.
Chelsea is a Clinton. She bears the taint; and though not prosecutable in law, in custom and nature the taint cannot be ignored. All the great despotisms of the past — I'm not arguing for despotism as a principle, but they sure knew how to deal with potential trouble — recognized that the families of objectionable citizens were a continuing threat. In Stalin's penal code it was a crime to be the wife or child of an "enemy of the people". The Nazis used the same principle, which they called Sippenhaft, "clan liability". In Imperial China, enemies of the state were punished "to the ninth degree": that is, everyone in the offender's own generation would be killed, and everyone related via four generations up, to the great-great-grandparents, and four generations down, to the great-great-grandchildren, would also be killed. (This sounds complicated, but in practice what usually happened was that a battalion of soldiers was sent to the offender's home town, where they killed everyone they could find, on the principle neca eos omnes, deus suos agnoscet — "let God sort 'em out".)"
if you want more let me know.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a8bf6eb7855.htm
"Item: When Chelsea went off to Stanford, we were told that she planned to study to become a pediatric cardiologist. How noble! — to give over one's life to curing the heart problems of little kiddies! Yeah, right. A Clinton, giving over her life for anything at all other than…herself. Now that there is no need for spin, we hear that her next stop is at Oxford University to study economics. That's about m-o-n-e-y. Much more interesting than those damn kids and their stupid messed-up hearts.
Chelsea is a Clinton. She bears the taint; and though not prosecutable in law, in custom and nature the taint cannot be ignored. All the great despotisms of the past — I'm not arguing for despotism as a principle, but they sure knew how to deal with potential trouble — recognized that the families of objectionable citizens were a continuing threat. In Stalin's penal code it was a crime to be the wife or child of an "enemy of the people". The Nazis used the same principle, which they called Sippenhaft, "clan liability". In Imperial China, enemies of the state were punished "to the ninth degree": that is, everyone in the offender's own generation would be killed, and everyone related via four generations up, to the great-great-grandparents, and four generations down, to the great-great-grandchildren, would also be killed. (This sounds complicated, but in practice what usually happened was that a battalion of soldiers was sent to the offender's home town, where they killed everyone they could find, on the principle neca eos omnes, deus suos agnoscet — "let God sort 'em out".)"
if you want more let me know.
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So if you don't like the daddy you attack the child? Leave the girl alone and get a life!
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thats what we've been telling the clintonhaters for 8 years
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Mental suffering is pretty nasty too, Siren my sweet. Ask people like Endlessly. Or does she not have a right? She's got a home, she's got a "loving" father. Perhaps she should quit whining and take what's coming to her. After all, there are people who are worse off than she is.
You can't invalidate a human being and what they feel just by the number of dollars in their bank account. It's snobbery of the worst sort.
Oh, I forget, you can't feel pain, you're financially well off. You have no idea what it's like to suffer, you're a lawyer, you have money. My bad. Assumptions are nasty things, aren't they?
Your hypocrasy, bad manners, snobbery, judgementalism, and all in all holier-than-thouness is showing Siren.
How would you like to live life where everyone knows your business? Everything you do is published in print and television media, good or bad, for the public to judge you on? How would you like wondering if Wolfy loved you for yourself or your cash? How would you like having to go on a date with an escort of Secret Service? How would you like to have to be Miss Perfect because your father is the President? How would you like people to discount you as a human being because you're rich and famous? How would you like to have to be constantly measured against your sisters, Chelsea Clinton, and the irreproachable Kennedy kids and constantly fall short? How would you feel knowing you were never good enough and the whole world knew it?
You have no compassion in you for anyone who is what you would consider "better off" than you are. You're a good litigator aren't you. Nevermind humanity, it's all about what they have and you don't.
Messed up IS suffering.
You can't invalidate a human being and what they feel just by the number of dollars in their bank account. It's snobbery of the worst sort.
Oh, I forget, you can't feel pain, you're financially well off. You have no idea what it's like to suffer, you're a lawyer, you have money. My bad. Assumptions are nasty things, aren't they?
Your hypocrasy, bad manners, snobbery, judgementalism, and all in all holier-than-thouness is showing Siren.
How would you like to live life where everyone knows your business? Everything you do is published in print and television media, good or bad, for the public to judge you on? How would you like wondering if Wolfy loved you for yourself or your cash? How would you like having to go on a date with an escort of Secret Service? How would you like to have to be Miss Perfect because your father is the President? How would you like people to discount you as a human being because you're rich and famous? How would you like to have to be constantly measured against your sisters, Chelsea Clinton, and the irreproachable Kennedy kids and constantly fall short? How would you feel knowing you were never good enough and the whole world knew it?
You have no compassion in you for anyone who is what you would consider "better off" than you are. You're a good litigator aren't you. Nevermind humanity, it's all about what they have and you don't.
Messed up IS suffering.
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8 years of fucking around gave them there ammo. GW hasent been in for 8 munths yet. you want to cumplane about him ok but leeve the girls out of it!
