London Terrorist Attack - Religion of Peace Maybe?

[DeYaKen]

Business as usual, my foot. People adapt their routines, their lives, to the new terrorist reality that the "elites" have brought into their nations- but that's a very new "normal". For example, women in Swedish and German towns go out alone far less frequently than once they did. Jews depart France in droves. We incur heavy expense in money and time to take commercial airlines. Finally, in addition to the five lives lost, perhaps a score of others are indelibly market by this act of jihad. To you, that is normal? Baloney!

You have to remember that for us terrorism is not new. we've had it for more than fifty years. Before the WW2 bomb sites were cleared the IRA were bombing letter boxes and tube stations. It's nothing new and if this proves to be an Islamist attack they will still have some way to go before beat the death toll for all the IRA attacks. So yes it's a shock, but we will quickly bounce back and little will change. the West end Theatres will still be full. The restaurants will still do a roaring trade. Within a week the tourists will be back taking their pictures of the Palace of Westminster. The flags will be at half mast and police and planners will look to see if they could do more but life will go on very much as it always has. I expect the number of tourists from the US to fall but not by much. Most of those who worry about these things have been staying away since the Paris attacks.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The Irish are white? That's a new one. When did they gain that status?

As far as I know, they've always been white. More specifically, they are descended from Celts who crossed the Irish Sea from Great Britain 2,000 years ago. I am largely of Irish descent myself.

At the same time, some people might have thought of them as "white niggers" because so many Irish people came to the New World as slaves and they suffered through the equivalent of Jim Crow laws in the 19th Century. That's one of the reason I scoff at "reparations" because almost everybody would be owed something by somebody.

 

[Chris_Michael]

I consider the GOP and every Trump voter and Trump supporter as part of a hate group does that work for you?

I'll accept that if this country relieves me of my $200,000+ student loan debt and allows me 30 days to drive to Canada. You guys can even keep my Glock.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I consider the GOP and every Trump voter and Trump supporter as part of a hate group does that work for you?

You do realize that's almost half the population, don't you? Personally, I don't support Trump, and still consider him to be an asshole, but I do support the institution of POTUS.

 

[Chris_Michael]

You do realize that's almost half the population, don't you? Personally, I don't support Trump, and still consider him to be an asshole, but I do support the institution of POTUS.

Oh Dan doesn't mean it. He's just being an asshole in an attempt to have angry, rough sex with me.

...it's working, Dan. Mmmmmmm!!!

 

[colddiesel]

As far as I know, they've always been white. More specifically, they are descended from Celts who crossed the Irish Sea from Great Britain 2,000 years ago. I am largely of Irish descent myself.

At the same time, some people might have thought of them as "white niggers" because so many Irish people came to the New World as slaves and they suffered through the equivalent of Jim Crow laws in the 19th Century. That's one of the reason I scoff at "reparations" because almost everybody would be owed something by somebody.

Box, your facts are more than a little inaccurate. There is clear archaeological evidence to support the presence of people in Ireland for some 9,000 to 10,000 years - not 2,000.

Genetic analysis indicates that the majority of Irish in Ireland have forbears from the Basque region in NW Spain not from UK.

Very few Irish went to the New World as indentured labour, let alone slaves. The majority of Irish migrants to America in the 18th century were Protestant Scots/Irish whose immediate forbears had been planted in Ireland largely from Scotland in the previous century. They had done poorly in economic terms and when the first potato famine struck in 1750 they moved on again to America.

In contrast, the emigration of Irish to the USA following the second potato famine in the 1840's was largely of Catholic peasants. It is that group on which most of the myths of American Irishness are based. However, the fact is that the original Scots/Irish migrants have the majority of descendants today.

And just a small piece of research for you.Try and work out why the names Eire and Iran have exactly the same root meaning - and considering your admitted origins why hasn't your President thrown you out as a potential terrorist.

 

[DeYaKen]

Is there a tragedy anywhere that Team Trump will not use to try and spread their racist propaganda?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39361079

 

[oggbashan]

Is there a tragedy anywhere that Team Trump will not use to try and spread their racist propaganda?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39361079

What the London Mayor said then is still true today. It is almost impossible to provide 100% security against a low-tech lone wolf terrorist attack.

The UK's security services are known to have prevented or stopped at least a dozen planned attacks since the 2005 terrorist bombings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings

The terrorists cause grief and pain to families but achieve nothing except publicity and condemnation. London and the whole UK continue to operate today as they did before yesterday's attack - perhaps slightly more vigilant but that's all.

 

[DeYaKen]

What the London Mayor said then is still true today. It is almost impossible to provide 100% security against a low-tech lone wolf terrorist attack.

The UK's security services are known to have prevented or stopped at least a dozen planned attacks since the 2005 terrorist bombings:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings

The terrorists cause grief and pain to families but achieve nothing except publicity and condemnation. London and the whole UK continue to operate today as they did before yesterday's attack - perhaps slightly more vigilant but that's all.

The main source of irritation that the terrorists have given me is the removal of Left Luggage lockers and litter bins from stations.

 

[oggbashan]

The main source of irritation that the terrorists have given me is the removal of Left Luggage lockers and litter bins from stations.

That was a legacy of the IRA.

 

[DeYaKen]

That was a legacy of the IRA.

Wot not white catholic boys surely?

 

[Boxlicker101]

As was widely believed, the terrorist was an Islamist: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/0...-reportedly-make-arrests-in-raid-on-home.html

Some people are too PC or afraid to admit it.

 

[oggbashan]

As was widely believed, the terrorist was an Islamist: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/0...-reportedly-make-arrests-in-raid-on-home.html

Some people are too PC or afraid to admit it.

ISIS would claim any successful attack even if they had nothing to do with it.

But the Metropolitan Police and the Prime Minister had already indicated that it was a Muslim jihadist attack.

 

[chillywilly2]

Yep, three by car, one by gun.

And one by knife.

But, all except one were murdered by a muslim...

you sure are quick to defend them...makes me suspicious

 

[Boxlicker101]

ISIS would claim any successful attack even if they had nothing to do with it.

But the Metropolitan Police and the Prime Minister had already indicated that it was a Muslim jihadist attack.

Here is what was said by the PM and others:

The attacker's identity has not been revealed, but British Prime Minister Theresa May said he was born in Britain and known to authorities who had once investigated him for links to religious extremism.

"Our working assumption is that the attacker was inspired by Islamist ideology," she told members of Parliament. “We know the threat from Islamist terrorism is very real. But while the public should remain utterly vigilant, they should not and will not be cowed by this threat.”


British officials did not release the attacker's identity or confirm a link with the Islamic State group, though May did say it would be wrong to describe the attack as "Islamic" extremism.

"It is Islamist terrorism," she said. "It is a perversion of a great faith."

 

[oggbashan]

Wot not white catholic boys surely?

White? Yes.

Catholic? Northern Ireland's Catholic priests had constantly condemned the IRA's terrorist actions as being nothing to do with Catholic beliefs. A few Protestant ministers weren't as proactive at condemning UVF violence.

Like ISIS, the IRA's campaign was not about religion but about power.

 

[DeYaKen]

As was widely believed, the terrorist was an Islamist: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/0...-reportedly-make-arrests-in-raid-on-home.html

Some people are too PC or afraid to admit it.

No one said it wasn't but they don't have the monopoly on terror.
Here is a little list, see if you can find the common link.
Red Army Faction
Red Brigades
Organisation armée secrete
Irish Republican Army
Ulster Freedom Fighters
Provisional IRA
Real IRA
Continuity IRA
Ulster Volunteer Force
Ulster Defence Association
Timothy McVeigh and associates
Revolutionary Struggle
Red Hand Commando
Red hand Defenders
Irish Peoples Liberation Organisation
Irish National Liberation Army
Euskadi Ta Askatasuna
Donetsk People’s Republic
Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston
Army of God (US)
Aryan Nations
United Freedom Front
Symbionese Liberation Army
Weather Underground Organisation
Phineas Priesthood
The Order
Jewish Defence League
Earth Liberation Front
The Covenant, The Sword and The Arm of The Lord

 

[oggbashan]

London Underground Notice:

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[dan_c00000]

I'll accept that if this country relieves me of my $200,000+ student loan debt and allows me 30 days to drive to Canada. You guys can even keep my Glock.

Student debt is no joke. It sucks and scummy banks make too much money off of it. Bernie Sanders had the right idea on this.

You do realize that's almost half the population, don't you? Personally, I don't support Trump, and still consider him to be an asshole, but I do support the institution of POTUS.

Chris did a good job explaining it below!

You sure as fuck didn't support "the institution" when Obama was in charge.

Oh Dan doesn't mean it. He's just being an asshole in an attempt to have angry, rough sex with me.

...it's working, Dan. Mmmmmmm!!!

I'm glad you got the joke! I was worried we'd both have to explain it to box!

 

[Boxlicker101]

No one said it wasn't but they don't have the monopoly on terror.
Here is a little list, see if you can find the common link.
Red Army Faction
Red Brigades
Organisation armée secrete
Irish Republican Army
Ulster Freedom Fighters
Provisional IRA
Real IRA
Continuity IRA
Ulster Volunteer Force
Ulster Defence Association
Timothy McVeigh and associates
Revolutionary Struggle
Red Hand Commando
Red hand Defenders
Irish Peoples Liberation Organisation
Irish National Liberation Army
Euskadi Ta Askatasuna
Donetsk People’s Republic
Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston
Army of God (US)
Aryan Nations
United Freedom Front
Symbionese Liberation Army
Weather Underground Organisation
Phineas Priesthood
The Order
Jewish Defence League
Earth Liberation Front
The Covenant, The Sword and The Arm of The Lord

You could add the Ku Klux Klan and La Raza to that list. There are also groups commonly referred to as eco-terrorists.

 

[flyingtinopener]

Time to calm down

Yesterdays attack was an outrage, that brought great pain to the families of those injured and killed, first my thoughts are with the family of P.C. Palmer. His sacrifice made time for others to shoot the attacker and prevent further loss of life, his actions are worthy of the highest praise, as the PM said a true hero.
If IS or any other extremist groups think that they will ever beat us or break or resolve, I can assure you that you will not succeed,we faced Hitler alone for over two years, and with help from many countries put that bastard away, and we will do the same with the like of I.S.
I sense there are some differences of opinion over what happened, but this is not the time to argue amongst ourselves, this is the time that hand must join across the pond and show this sort two very stiff fingers, together we will beat these bastards TOGETHER.

 

[DeYaKen]

You could add the Ku Klux Klan and La Raza to that list. There are also groups commonly referred to as eco-terrorists.

Yes I could, I decided only to include organisations for which there is recorded acts of terrorism. The US ones came from the FBI.

 

[phrodeau]

As was widely believed, the terrorist was an Islamist: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/0...-reportedly-make-arrests-in-raid-on-home.html

Some people are too PC or afraid to admit it.

Are you going to grab ammo and head to Syria to defeat ISIS?

No? Too afraid?

 

[DeYaKen]

Just keeping you in the picture. Westminster Bridge is open again and the tourists are back taking selfies with Parliament in the background. News bulletins are back to normal length. For London life is almost back to normal.
Of course, for some things will never be normal again and our sympathies must go out to them.

 

[hashtag46]

Did you guys read the news that there was a similar attack thwarted in Belgium?

And the purposeful escalation of the NATO - Russia tensions by NATO isn't helping either.

Europe is going down the drain