AG31
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Wo!! A new word!!! Thanks!
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Arousal, definitely. Orgasm... well... We probably have a little bit of gender difference going on here.I've always thought, "That's the highly desirable point of erotica" - arousal, followed by orgasm.
Sure, with shorter stories, that's not going to happen. 750 words, for example, unless you've got the shortest trigger time on the planet, it might be erotic, maybe a little arousing, but it's not going to get a result.
But you get above a Lit page or two, and in my mind, that's where the timing and cadence of the writing becomes important. If you are writing to get someone off, you've got to give them time, time to get aroused, time to enjoy that arousal, then you ramp it up to get them away.
This is where I think all of the advice to edit stories shorter, write lean and concisely, cut things back, misses the point. Erotica/stroke/porn, call it what you will, isn't the same as your "traditional" short story, where brevity is usually deemed a virtue.
In contrast, I say: turn me on, then turn me on some more, keep arousing me till I come. Do your job properly; it's erotica, not a Sunday picnic! And if you write it artfully, beautifully, that's the literary bonus, for those that want that.
People have said of my stories, you give us the slow burn with your slow patience, but you'll then give us a sometimes pornographic finish. Best of both worlds, I reckon. Poetic porn, it's a thing!
Not very many, mind you. But there are like minded people out there.I’m glad you have your fans.
I'd probably read your stories the way I read a good mainstream fiction short story. What do you recommend as your best one?My sex scenes come when I’m at peace with the characters and ready to give them some action after resolving plot events. And if they’re not hot enough to make me want to touch myself, they need work.
What about "simple erotica?" I think I'm going to go with that. Thanks to @FeralSmile's thoughtful post.Now that I've thought about it; pure erotica is a bit much. Stroke stories are the purest form of erotica?
Ah. I should have put more nuance into my OP. Have to think about this more, but...Stop asking other people to give you respect, to use a polite term they're only going to turn into an insult later.
THANK YOU!!! (btw, I'm switching to "simple erotica.")Having read or scanned some of the stories listed in AG31's original post (it helps to look at the data), I have a better understanding of what AG31 is getting at. I think he is very clear what he means, even if many others aren't.
He's talking about stories that plunge immediately into a sexual encounter or experience without buildup. There's little plot or character development, unless it can be woven into the narrative of the encounter. The stories tend to be short. Most of those he cited are less than one Lit page (<3750 words).
I'm not sure if "pure erotica" is the right term for it, but I understand better now what he means. I might call it "sex-only erotica." That term is purely descriptive, and doesn't imply any value judgments or speculations about the intent of the author, as the terms "pure" and "stroke" do.
Obviously, there's a readership for these stories, but one notices right away that while some of these stories do well, they're not at the tops of either most-read lists or highest-scoring lists.
The only stories of mine that sort of fit into this category are my 750-word stories, like California Dogging or Wandering Hands. The word constraints make it impossible to have much buildup. But even in those stories I try to provide some background, some character motivation, and some setting description. So, they're not really my cup of tea, but that's fine. It's purely a matter of taste, not value judgment.
Thank you for a useful term! Not particularly relevant to this thread, but one of the things I definitely spend time and energy trying to avoid.impossible physicality
If a story is more than two or two and a half pages long, I copy it into Word and send it to my Kindle.*Reading online is it's own beast, in terms of length and graphic layout.
Not very many, mind you. But there are like minded people out there.
I'd probably read your stories the way I read a good mainstream fiction short story. What do you recommend as your best one?
Thanks. I've downloaded it to my Kindle and will read it when I finish my current Gytha Lodge mystery.My best one? Well, they’re all good in their own way.
I’m just going to go with Beijing Streakers given its crazy plot involving a historical fiction human rights protest at the 2008 Olympics carried out by athletes and legendary Chinese heroes followed by a foot chase and the most inclusive orgy I’ve ever done thus far. It’s got nine votes, needs 1 more for an H. A bit long, the orgy does take a while to fully set up, but I’ve never had any complaints about this work.
https://www.literotica.com/s/the-beijing-streakers
I was disappointed that my vote wasn't the one to push it over the line!My best one? Well, they’re all good in their own way.
I’m just going to go with Beijing Streakers given its crazy plot involving a historical fiction human rights protest at the 2008 Olympics carried out by athletes and legendary Chinese heroes followed by a foot chase and the most inclusive orgy I’ve ever done thus far. It’s got nine votes, needs 1 more for an H. A bit long, the orgy does take a while to fully set up, but I’ve never had any complaints about this work.
https://www.literotica.com/s/the-beijing-streakers
I was disappointed that my vote wasn't the one to push it over the line!
It's still a badge. You could call it Erotica Without Tuesdays and someone would try to parse it further. It's still the "porn versus erotica" debate, and neither of those terms are particularly well defined, not any more. I'm not sure we need a lexicon.Well, I agree that in some ways it is a better label. What do you think about "simple erotica?"
@electricblue66
Now that sounds fine.What about "simple erotica?" I think I'm going to go with that. Thanks to @FeralSmile's thoughtful post.
I write smuterature.smut writers. Smutteteers. Smutsmiths.
Ah a person of unculture, greetings to you.I write smuterature.
Fragment from: The Song of Smut (Anon., Cott. Vit., c. 973)*Smut always feels to me like an Old English word that linguists resurrected.
from Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (bar one word - can you spot it?):Fragment from: The Song of Smut (Anon., Cott. Vit., c. 973)*
* Not really
It's been a while since I studied Sir Gawain (although I still know how to pronounce "Gawain", which is more than the makers of the movie a few years ago did), but your version would make the gift-exchange theme with Sir Bertilac... quite interesting.from Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (bar one word - can you spot it?):
How about "LiteraryErotica". Someone could even create a site for it, using that name or something like it...There's stroke erotica and what, for want of a better term, one thread calls non-stroke erotica, stories that pay significant attention to plot and/or character.
I'd thought about that, but, in itself it doesn't do it, because you can certainly write "literary erotica," that is loaded with plot and character. When this thread had been about for a few days, I settled on "simple erotica," for those reasons.How about "LiteraryErotica". Someone could even create a site for it, using that name or something like it...