Male (if not masculine) Actors "Guys" Hate

[Flagg]

I felt that the whole Bond thing was somewhat revived with The World is not enough - definetly the strongest plot and characters in a long time. Sophie Marceau (was it her?) was really strong and oh so sexy *swoon*.

Brad Pitt was fantastic in Twelve Monkeys and Fight Club. So I won't hear anyone calling him a pretty boy anymore. George Clooney is great as well. There really is no need to be jealous guys.

Dixon - would you mind name dropping a little more? It really empowers me to know that I chat with someone as famous and connected as you on the internet. Hell I can name drop you now! Seriously though I love the way you justify name dropping by getting at least three other celebrities out in the space of a short sentence. Are there evening classes for that sort of thing in Hollywood? I'm really interested in the goings of of the prize winning "Most shallow place on earth". Really.

 

[BrainyBeauty]

Sometimes it stinks being on east coast time. I was happily snoring away when this fine discussion was going on between 2 of my fave people!

Gaucho- hubba hubba. You are right. It was Barry Nelson in the b&w tv version. I was screaming at my monitor just now saying I know I know! Then I scrolled down and saw that you handled the query just fine. Did you play TBS's Cyber Bond? Just curious cause your post made reference to my screen name for that game!

Casino Royale was the first book in Fleming's series but the filmed-out-of-sequence big screen version was a spoof. The movies are not true to the stories at all, but are entertaining on a whole different level. Yes, I admit to being addicted to that too. I own all the books and all the films (two copies- in case something were to happen to one!) I am a loony.

Dixon - You are right about Thunderball/Never Say Never. After 36+ years in dispute, earlier this year (April 1st I think) Kevin McClory finally lost his battle with MGM. He did co-write that particular story but claimed to be due half the profits from the subsequent films. That is why he was only allowed to remake that particular story. And that dispute is why Broccoli and Saltzman never again used SPECTRE or Blofeld as the antagonists in the films.

 

[Gaucho]

Sometimes it stinks being on east coast time. I was happily snoring away when this fine discussion was going on between 2 of my fave people!

Gaucho- hubba hubba. You are right. It was Barry Nelson in the b&w tv version. I was screaming at my monitor just now saying I know I know! Then I scrolled down and saw that you handled the query just fine. Did you play TBS's Cyber Bond? Just curious cause your post made reference to my screen name for that game!

Casino Royale was the first book in Fleming's series but the filmed-out-of-sequence big screen version was a spoof. The movies are not true to the stories at all, but are entertaining on a whole different level. Yes, I admit to being addicted to that too. I own all the books and all the films (two copies- in case something were to happen to one!) I am a loony.

You're right, BB. I should have been snoozing as well, but when you have these friends who live on the left, er, West coast and you start talking with them, well, before you know it, it's 2AM and 6:30 comes sooooooo early...<sigh>

And, in the interests of honesty, I have to tell you that I'm not nearly the Bond addict that you are. However, as I mentioned in one of my posts, information on this stuff is readily available and I'm a pretty good cheat. Seriously, though, I was an avid reader as a child and I quickly grew from comic books to Doc Savage novels to...James Bond. God, what a thrill it was to read those books for the first time! For a pimply-faced adolescent to read about this suave, handsome, amoral man who was by turns ruthless and charming but always, always true to his obligations and his code no matter what the cost...well, all I can say is if Harry Potter is the icon for today's teens and preteens, give me James Bond anytime. (And please don't anyone think that this is a slam at Harry. I like the Harry Potter books just fine, thank you very much.)

Of the books (I again have to be honest and admit it's been some time since I read them) the one that stands out in my memory is "Live and Let Die", in part because of the emotional charge you get when Felix Leiter loses an arm and a leg to the shark. It's so rare when something like that happens to a recurring character in a series and Fleming pulled it off brilliantly. (That also ranks as my favorite chapter title of all time, "He disagreed with something that ate him")

Of the movies, of course the first four (Dr. No, From Russia with Love, Goldfinger, and Thunderball) were the best and, all things considered, reasonably true to the books. Naturally, Hollywood couldn't leave well enough alone and either changed things that didn't need changing (turning a buzz saw into a laser beam in Goldfinger) or adding things that were never there (that ridiculous one-man helicopter that shows up in both Russia and Thunderball) but still, under the effects, the stories were there. As played by Sean Connery, Bond sweated, grunted, cursed, fumbled and almost screwed the pooch countless times but always managed, in the end, to pull it off. Connery brought a humanity to Bond that has never been equaled. Although I loved Robert Shaw as the assassin in Russia, my favorite has to be Goldfinger. As a bad guy, Oddjob rules. And who could forget one of the best meetings in all of filmdom?

Honor Blackman: "I'm Pussy Galore."
Sean Connery: "Of course you are."

Of the Roger Moore films, the one I liked best was The Spy Who Loved Me. Great theme song, Barbara Bach was eminently fuckable and Richard Kiel as Jaws made a good villain (at least in that movie).

Of all the Bonds since Connery, I like Pierce Brosnan the best and the movies do seem to be making a comeback. But there is only one Sean Connery.

He is irreplaceable.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Dixon - would you mind name dropping a little more? It really empowers me to know that I chat with someone as famous and connected as you on the internet. Hell I can name drop you now! Seriously though I love the way you justify name dropping by getting at least three other celebrities out in the space of a short sentence. Are there evening classes for that sort of thing in Hollywood? I'm really interested in the goings of of the prize winning "Most shallow place on earth". Really.

LOL Back to the snot, eh? Okay...

Thanks for analyzing me. As usual, you're dead wrong about practically everything (except the "Most Shallow Place on Earth" -- you nailed that.) Name dropping is practically the dullest thing you can do in L.A., because it's so easy, and nobody gives a shit. But it's, like, there, because it's Hollywood Sweetie Baby Boobie. Should I pretend it isn't part of my day to day? We all drop tidbits about our lives here and there -- these are mine. So freaking what? Don't like it? Don't care. Why don't you give us that big ol' list of how you'd like everyone to post again?

And I've met Tim Conway too.

 

[R Nitelight]

THE Tim Conway?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

The man's a god, what can I tell you.

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

And.....

Dorf too!

 

[Cheri]

I find in eminently amusing how defensive Flagg makes you Dicks. It sure as hell makes my puny attempts at insults seem flat and ineffective. Perhaps Flagg and the trolls et. all could start and insulting education thread to better educate us in their art.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Defensive? I'm not being defensive! No I'm not! I'm not! Here are thirty-seven reasons why I'm not being defensive...

LOL

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I forgot one. Richard Gere (whom I've never met). "First Night" was on last week. How does this guy keep getting pictures made?

Sometimes a popular picture gives an actor a sort of Teflon coating. Julia Roberts and Richard Gere both got one with "Pretty Woman", and it's kept them alive through some turkeys. But I still don't get it. He's good here and there, but nothing spectacular. Does anyone open a paper and say, "Honey! There's a new Richard Gere film out! I'll get the car keys!"?

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

Okay, okay already......

What actors do you folks like - you know - actors actors...

I'll name a few that spring to my feeble mind.......

Harvey Kietle
Bobby D
Paul Newman
Rod Steiger
Yes, I do like Peter O'Toole
Hackman
Hoffman
Caine
Yes, I do like Connery

New guys? Don't know much about'em really - I did like pretty boy Pitt in that one where he played the psyco serial killer that picked his toes in the dinner.

Oh - Penn is fucking great.

Comedy? Zero Mostelle, Gene Wilder, Hmmmm? Acting though. Cary Grant's Arsenic and Old Lace. Brilliant!

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Comedy? Zero Mostelle, Gene Wilder

GENE: "I'm wet, and I'm still hysterical!"

GENE: "I want everything I've ever seen in the movies!"

GENE:"You can't shoot the actors! They're people!"
ZERO: "Oh yeah? Did you ever eat with one?"

And my favorite...

ZERO: "That's our Hitler!"

 

[Gaucho]

Germany was having trouble, what a sad, sad story
Needed a new leader to restore its former glory
Where, Oh where was he? Where could that man be?
We looked around and then we found
The man for you and me.
And now it's..

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Deutschland is happy and gay
We're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the master race

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Winter for Poland and France
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Come on, Germans, go into your dance

I was born in Dusseldorf, and that is why they call me Rolf
Don't be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the Nazi party

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Goosestep's the new step today
bombs falling from the skies again
Deutschland is on the rise again

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Uboats are sailing once more

Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Means that soon we'll be going
We've got to be going
You know we'll be going to WAR!

Years ago, I got the opportunity to tour Dachau and, wouldn't you know it, this song kept running through my head. What an association!

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

I want...........

my blue blanky!!!!!

I want my blue blanky!!!!!!!!

(I get tears in my eyes when I think about that scene.)

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

"Now Hitler, he was a painter. He could paint a whole apartment in one afternoon - TWO COATS!"

God, that movie kills me every time.

 

[Gaucho]

"This is not good...they are not killing you. Don't you understand? You must die. Will you cooperate?"

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Are you ready for this? Are you ready? Are you ready?

I've met Kenneth Mars.

Doh!

(I'll stop when I get to Pauley Shore.)

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

When Zero yells.....

Max Beallieschtoc - Sees some woman, out his office window, in fur and stepping from a Rolls, "flaunt it baby, flaunt it!"

Or - what was the directors name - the director of Spring Time For Hitler - (Carl Reiner I know, hey was it Carl Reiner?) he and his assistant, cramed with Max in that tiny apartment elevator. God!

Goo da poor day!

 

[Gaucho]

Re: When Zero yells.....

Max Beallieschtoc - Sees some woman, out his office window, in fur and stepping from a Rolls, "flaunt it baby, flaunt it!"

Or - what was the directors name - the director of Spring Time For Hitler - (Carl Reiner I know, hey was it Carl Reiner?) he and his assistant, cramed with Max in that tiny apartment elevator. God!

Goo da poor day!

Mel Brooks. His first film. Oops. In the movie the play is directed by Kenneth Mars.

Ya!
Hey, what can I do for you?
You will please be unconscious?

[Edited by Gaucho on 10-17-2000 at 01:15 PM]

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

And Dick Shawn......

That's the way for a showman to go - on stage. I loved him in IMMMMW. "I'm coming ta get ya momma - your baby's coming ta get ya!"

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Kenneth Mars was the Nazi playwright. The show was directed by some character actor -- forget his name. (Not Carl Reiner).

That Dick Shawn story is weird. He was on stage in Vegas, doing his act, and actually said, "Okay, imagine I'm dead"...and died.

 

[Gaucho]

Kenneth Mars was the Nazi playwright. The show was directed by some character actor -- forget his name. (Not Carl Reiner).

That Dick Shawn story is weird. He was on stage in Vegas, doing his act, and actually said, "Okay, imagine I'm dead"...and died.

Damn! That's right. And I can't think of the guy's name, either. All right, now I've gotta go watch it again.

And speaking of Dick Shawn:

LSD: Hey, man, you're a German!
Soldier: We are all Germans.
LSD: That's right! Oh! That means we cannot attack Germany!

 

[R Nitelight]

Didn't Christopher (Mr. Belvedere) Hewitt play the director?

 

[R Nitelight]

This is for the singing Hitlers....
Dancing Hitlers in the other room...

 

[Sparky Kronkite]

By jove.....

I think he's got it.