Male sub forced to suck cock...

[Stella_Omega]

The Ladies, a group of dominant women in my area had a speaker on this very topic last month, and I mentioned to my Lady that I now kinda wished I had gone because of the frequency that it comes up.

She said (posted with her permission;

If you are talking about "Forced Bi", I have my feelings about that one. It is all negotiated an done with consent, so it is not really "forced". It was interesting how people who are into this maneuver the dynamic. For me this is silly. If someone is interested in supervised bisexuality, I can hang. I don't like to pretend it is "Forced". To me it seems that there is a desire to shift the responsibility for someone's actions and choices. In other words, if someone wants to play that way, I am down for it, but they have to take responsibility for their choices. They have to own their choices.

I LOVE the phrase "Supervised Bisexuality." I think that's a much better term. And you know what a kink I have about words...

 

[hoodooman]

we slice and dice

We slice and dice the words but the forced bi images that light up my imagination are "forced" with a wink...I don't know or care why but the idea that I am somehow being forced turns me on big time.

Change the term to "supervised" and the internal lights dim. As in: A snotty male bully makes constant rude remarks about the younger brother being a fag, cocksucker and etc.

The older, wiser sister sees the bully kiss another boy in a night club. She invites the bully home where she threatens to tell everyone what she saw unless he sucks her brother's cock.

I'm bi and like to suck cock but would love to hear a woman tell me to do it, call me a cunt and etc. Of course it's ok for you to prefer "supervise" but not for me.

 

[Noira]

The Ladies, a group of dominant women in my area had a speaker on this very topic last month, and I mentioned to my Lady that I now kinda wished I had gone because of the frequency that it comes up.

She said (posted with her permission;


I LOVE the phrase "Supervised Bisexuality." I think that's a much better term. And you know what a kink I have about words...

I like it too.

I think it's a great term that fits what sort of, or ANY sort of, I have, as a female, for 'forced bi'. I should have probably added to my last post that I, incidentally, very much approve of m/m action. It's hot. The bit of a mindfuck that goes along with getting someone into something they're a little uncomfortable with is cool too. But literally forced bisexuality skeeves me a bit. Maybe it's because I spent too long as forced straight. Maybe it's because genuinely forcing someone to do something repulsive (to them) sexually to another person hinges on the rape door.

Of course, supervised bisexuality might as well just be called interactive voyeurism, as it gives off the essence of "I already know you're bi, I'm going to stay here and watch and I'm going to tell you what to do to this person." which is the essence of the story I actually started writing last night after that post... but I don't think it hits the buttons (at least for many of the men) of the kink of forced bi. They don't want it to be their wishes, their choice, their actions... I get the idea that they want it to be "puppeteer Domme"? Is it really forced-bi if you're already bi, or bi-curious?

But why isn't there a fetish out there for female submissives wanting their male dominant to force them to have bisexual contact with another woman? I don't think I've ever seen that. (I think I'm going to have to fill that story gap now. I've seen a few where a dominant couple owns a female slave but never really the longing to be 'forced to lick pussy') Oh no, I think the fetish on the other side of the gender fence is "my dominant wants another female submissive for him to have sex with!" Or how about a fetish between a female/female dom/sub couple to be forced bi? Or fetishes between a male/male dom/sub couple to be forced bi? I haven't really seen that either, and maybe that's because people already in a queer relationship are more likely to respect sexuality boundaries? I'm not sure.

That said, hoodooman, there are a lot of people, men and women alike who get turned on like a light in a dark place when the word 'forced' is there. That's why there's such a vast amount of women with rape fantasies... it takes the reins from their hands and they're free to enjoy it (whether it is just sex or it is rough, painful, masochistic sex, it's still free to be enjoyed in the fantasy). I'm sure it's the same thing for men with forced-bi fantasies. It's something they want to enjoy, they just don't want to own their need to love it. "Forced" is a pretty common fantasy, I think.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I have been part of a scene were a nominally hetero sub was "forced" to "obey" me... I didn't force her to service me though-- I fisted her. I'm sure I was thinking: That'll show her Dom a thing or two!

 

[SydneyBlake]

I guess that I'm just lucky, but, my wife is my Dom and she often has me suck cock for her. I've done singles and groups while she watches or participates. She's had me do it in public and in private; often our vacations are built around finding places for me to suck or be fucked by other men and sometimes women. It is a perfect relationship, I adore and will do anything for her and she loves making me have kinky sex. Now, I'm horny, I'm going to go ask her to fuck me with her strapon nad then let me eat her pussy.

Where were these guys when I was single and in college??? Then again, where was I????

 

[SydneyBlake]

To me it seems that there is a desire to shift the responsibility for someone's actions and choices. In other words, if someone wants to play that way, I am down for it, but they have to take responsibility for their choices. They have to own their choices.

This is a little bit of a tangent from the op, but way way way back when I was still confused about why I had rape fantasies, that's what it boiled down to -- it had been so ingrained in me from day one that I was not supposed to enjoy sex, that the only way I could envision really letting loose would be only if I were forced to.

Women are allowed more sexual freedom these days, but male homosexuality is still "out there," especially where I live. But would the fantasy be so much fun if the taboo didn't exist?

OP -- it's a tremendous turn-on, btw.

 

[bisexualsmoker]

I've had the fantasy, but I've
done it more than a few times
in real life.

 

[curiousguy318]

11111

 

[mary_aranxia]

Thousands of men share your fantasy.

But I am always curious-- What special pleasure does Domme get out of it, do you suppose?

I hear you!

Somewhere I read an account about how two women brought their boys together. They put the men on the floor and bound them together in 69 position, with each man's cock in the other's mouth. When the men got hard, neither one could pull away...

And then the whippings started.

(catalina, my question was actually regarding what might be in the mind of a would-be sub, if he'd thought about why a Domme would like what he so obviously wants her to like. )

yes, I know that. But "For Domme's pleasure" is a common addition.

Before I drew the mustache on my face, I got more PMs than I would have imagined, from men who wanted me to want to force them to suck cock.

Please understand this, it's complicated. I love it that my pleasure is important to these guys. And it's understandable that they hope that my pleasure comes from something they want in the first place.

I began asking that question, though, and some of the guys never thought about it at all-- they kinda figured that was my problem not theirs. I would ask if they thought the woman should cum, herself, during these sessions, for instance?

"Whut?"

True, there will always be those who think no further than what happens for them. We have been fortunate in that most we communicated with felt it had to fit both sides, not just be their own fantasy. Out of all those though, I would say there was only one who really had a submissive mindset which extended to the point of behaving in a way which reflected that mindset in even the everyday situation more so than just during a session or play. It was surprising and pleasing to say the least.

Catalina

A seriously thought-provoking discussion. I have wondered why it is that I haven't been satisfied, but I suppose that until I can answer these answers for myself I'm really only someone who has thought "no further than what happens for them". I have no insights to contribute to this discussion because I didn't suspect that there was a question to be asked. Thank you for enlightening me.

 

[Daveinport]

I agree with the term "supervised" rather than "forced" also. Being a male that is into this type of scenario and might even try it given the right circumstances, I would like to add my two cents.

Outside of blackmail, physical restraints or the use of a weapon, any situation in which a guy submits to sucking a cock on a demand by a woman, is one in which a man can extract himself from at any time. Hence the situation no longer can be described as forceful. Encouraged... supervised, yes. Anything but forceful.

I read a story a while back, probably here on lit (can't remember) that involved a guy who is picked up by a woman and agrees to go to her place to have sex. The woman asks him if he would mind being restrained and upon agreeing, she proceeds to bind him spread eagle, face down on the bed. She then shims herself under him and they proceed to have sex. A little while later, another man comes in the room and climbs on top of them and begins to sodomize the guy. Of course he tries to resist and immediately wants out of the situation. This is the point in the story that I would consider forced, not to mention rape. Fortunately, for the sake of a good story, the protagonist discovers he is really getting into it, they untie him and they end up having a "supervised" threesome. And they lived happily ever after.

 

[Stella_Omega]

A seriously thought-provoking discussion. I have wondered why it is that I haven't been satisfied, but I suppose that until I can answer these answers for myself I'm really only someone who has thought "no further than what happens for them". I have no insights to contribute to this discussion because I didn't suspect that there was a question to be asked. Thank you for enlightening me.

Brilliant!
The problem is, of course, that the woman has to take responsibility for her own sexual desires, and make the moves and issue the requests, where vanilla women are accustomed to letting the man make a lot of the moves. Its something a lot of would-be FemDommes need to think about, IMO.

 

[acuckhubby]

No you're not alone in wanting to be forced to suck cock. It is much less "gay" if you are forced and not asking your girl for it. And being her sub I love for her to force me into anything. I have been "forced" to suck her boytoys cocks and get them ready for her. And we have played with bi males where she had us suck each other for her amusement. I do like sucking cock but it is so much better when forced... especially when her hand is on the back of my head pushing me down and telling me to take it all. Maybe she would do the same for you, we're 20 minutes away

 

[iwantyoufuckme]

Thousands of men share your fantasy.

i agree, i think i have met men who would consider themselves straight but have that fantasy.

 

[Netzach]

The Ladies, a group of dominant women in my area had a speaker on this very topic last month, and I mentioned to my Lady that I now kinda wished I had gone because of the frequency that it comes up.

She said (posted with her permission;


I LOVE the phrase "Supervised Bisexuality." I think that's a much better term. And you know what a kink I have about words...

I like to watch gay porn, so to me, so what I get out of this is "cool, I'm a gay porn director" and my thrills are voyeuristic.

I detest being made responsible for some homophobic guy's wants- when it comes up on the phone I tend to segue into humiliating him for being a homophobic pussy who can't actually even get laid how he actually wants, and how what he is is way WAY more shameful than just being a fag - and that's generally appreciated very much as I pepper my raunchy descriptions of glory hole action with it. Thus I feel like I at least somewhat win and get something I want to say said. What I've managed to do is specialize in parsing that very common fantasy into something unexpected and expanded.

I always thought of it as "sexual facilitation" and I'm down with that, being a facilitator. This is the only thing that could ever get me to consider putting on a cheerleader outfit.

 

[Netzach]

I like it too.

I think it's a great term that fits what sort of, or ANY sort of, I have, as a female, for 'forced bi'. I should have probably added to my last post that I, incidentally, very much approve of m/m action. It's hot. The bit of a mindfuck that goes along with getting someone into something they're a little uncomfortable with is cool too. But literally forced bisexuality skeeves me a bit. Maybe it's because I spent too long as forced straight. Maybe it's because genuinely forcing someone to do something repulsive (to them) sexually to another person hinges on the rape door.

Of course, supervised bisexuality might as well just be called interactive voyeurism, as it gives off the essence of "I already know you're bi, I'm going to stay here and watch and I'm going to tell you what to do to this person." which is the essence of the story I actually started writing last night after that post... but I don't think it hits the buttons (at least for many of the men) of the kink of forced bi. They don't want it to be their wishes, their choice, their actions... I get the idea that they want it to be "puppeteer Domme"? Is it really forced-bi if you're already bi, or bi-curious?

But why isn't there a fetish out there for female submissives wanting their male dominant to force them to have bisexual contact with another woman? I don't think I've ever seen that. (I think I'm going to have to fill that story gap now. I've seen a few where a dominant couple owns a female slave but never really the longing to be 'forced to lick pussy') Oh no, I think the fetish on the other side of the gender fence is "my dominant wants another female submissive for him to have sex with!" Or how about a fetish between a female/female dom/sub couple to be forced bi? Or fetishes between a male/male dom/sub couple to be forced bi? I haven't really seen that either, and maybe that's because people already in a queer relationship are more likely to respect sexuality boundaries? I'm not sure.

That said, hoodooman, there are a lot of people, men and women alike who get turned on like a light in a dark place when the word 'forced' is there. That's why there's such a vast amount of women with rape fantasies... it takes the reins from their hands and they're free to enjoy it (whether it is just sex or it is rough, painful, masochistic sex, it's still free to be enjoyed in the fantasy). I'm sure it's the same thing for men with forced-bi fantasies. It's something they want to enjoy, they just don't want to own their need to love it. "Forced" is a pretty common fantasy, I think.

Actually female versions kind of show up in flowery literary D/s smut, but usually it's a very fleeting moment of "oh ew but I'm straight" instantly overcome with the fact that all women are totally bi in male fantasy. Also some of the dykes I've played with definitely have the "sex with men loathsome so if you made me do it it would be really hot" thing going.

 

[HeyAll]

There's a thread in the fetish section with a couple of really hot videos on this topic.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=747130

 

[SxeSub]

Part of the reason I'm a sub is my desire to be forced bi by a powerful woman. I'm not sure if I ever really could have sex with a man or suck him off but I know with a Dom directing me to do so would make it significantly hotter and a lot more possible. I could never be with another man without a woman telling me to. I get hot thinking about it every time. I really want a couple to take advantage of me however they want.

 

[smoohtie7722]

No, that's one of my favorite fantasies.

 

[Licia]

Brilliant!
The problem is, of course, that the woman has to take responsibility for her own sexual desires, and make the moves and issue the requests, where vanilla women are accustomed to letting the man make a lot of the moves. Its something a lot of would-be FemDommes need to think about, IMO.

Agreed. I would push this further by adding that complaining over boring sex does nothing to resolve the situation. Do something which either contributes or takes control. Plus, the guy will be more than thrilled to oblige regardless of the pendulum swing.

 

[cryingalien]

Agreed. I would push this further by adding that complaining over boring sex does nothing to resolve the situation. Do something which either contributes or takes control. Plus, the guy will be more than thrilled to oblige regardless of the pendulum swing.

Completely agree and would love to try!

 

[Winter_of_62]

I like it too.

I think it's a great term that fits what sort of, or ANY sort of, I have, as a female, for 'forced bi'. I should have probably added to my last post that I, incidentally, very much approve of m/m action. It's hot. The bit of a mindfuck that goes along with getting someone into something they're a little uncomfortable with is cool too. But literally forced bisexuality skeeves me a bit. Maybe it's because I spent too long as forced straight. Maybe it's because genuinely forcing someone to do something repulsive (to them) sexually to another person hinges on the rape door.

Of course, supervised bisexuality might as well just be called interactive voyeurism, as it gives off the essence of "I already know you're bi, I'm going to stay here and watch and I'm going to tell you what to do to this person." which is the essence of the story I actually started writing last night after that post... but I don't think it hits the buttons (at least for many of the men) of the kink of forced bi. They don't want it to be their wishes, their choice, their actions... I get the idea that they want it to be "puppeteer Domme"? Is it really forced-bi if you're already bi, or bi-curious?

But why isn't there a fetish out there for female submissives wanting their male dominant to force them to have bisexual contact with another woman? I don't think I've ever seen that. (I think I'm going to have to fill that story gap now. I've seen a few where a dominant couple owns a female slave but never really the longing to be 'forced to lick pussy') Oh no, I think the fetish on the other side of the gender fence is "my dominant wants another female submissive for him to have sex with!" Or how about a fetish between a female/female dom/sub couple to be forced bi? Or fetishes between a male/male dom/sub couple to be forced bi? I haven't really seen that either, and maybe that's because people already in a queer relationship are more likely to respect sexuality boundaries? I'm not sure.

That said, hoodooman, there are a lot of people, men and women alike who get turned on like a light in a dark place when the word 'forced' is there. That's why there's such a vast amount of women with rape fantasies... it takes the reins from their hands and they're free to enjoy it (whether it is just sex or it is rough, painful, masochistic sex, it's still free to be enjoyed in the fantasy). I'm sure it's the same thing for men with forced-bi fantasies. It's something they want to enjoy, they just don't want to own their need to love it. "Forced" is a pretty common fantasy, I think.

A very interesting topic and good depth. I am a male Dom with other "curiosities" and a switch side (I want to experience the full spectrum, what can I say!). First though, let me go at this from the Dom side.

"Supervised bisexuality" is an interesting concept, as well as the issue and debate of "forced" but neither really nails it as I see it. I do not consider that if my female sub is bi-curious, that putting her in a scene makes it puppeteer Domination. I want my sub to be curious, of bisexuality and many other things. But what drives her and fulfills her is her submission to me and the understanding that the scene I have her in is for my pleasure. I want her to derive pleasure in being with the woman, but the core of her pleasure and her spirit is knowing that she brings me pleasure in that and all scenes. I hope that she enjoys what plays out, but there will never be a doubt that her submission to me, her giving herself to me to use as my pleasure is at the root of that or any scene.

To me it is no different than me wanting a submissive that has a thing for spankings. Her spankings will be tenfold more erotic to her knowing that she is not being spanked for her pleasure, but mine - and she will be. That does not make me a puppeteer any more than putting her with another woman and taking pleasure in controlling their interactions, even if she is bi.

Whether she is bi, bi-curious or "just" submissive does not make the Domination less real. She gives that part of herself up and entrusts me with it and I will push and grow her in that area and others. It is just as precious to me knowing that is a part of her that she sacrifices and entrusts me with or that she offers to me to guide to that very erotic path - for my pleasure.

As for the submissive side of me (and the curious side), it has always been extremely important to me that the one I would someday submit to has interests that I do not necessarily share. While my interests are my interests and I want to experience them and be pushed and grown, the driver to me is the submission itself. I do not want my needs catered to, I want her needs catered to and I want the high of submitting and truly fulfilling her needs and desires. To me, the height of that is meeting a desire or desires that I do not "share".

Do I find it erotic for her to explore my bicuriousity? Yes, I do, but only if she is empowered by it herself and I do not want to "pretend" I am appalled by it. I want her to know she has control of it.

I could even see myself submitting to a male Dom, but that's another matter.

Winter

 

[Licia]

*chuckles*

Bisexual men are ridiculously appealing, they love to be thoroughly screwed. If he represses the other side, even better. *pokes the beasty in his cage* Who does not enjoy setting someone free? *gorges*

 

[SpectreT]

Some of you may remember me. To you, I give an enthusiastic "Hi, folks!"

For me, it's definitely a "Don't toss me in that briar patch!" sort of thing. Can't be forced into doing something you want to do, y'know? Similar thing for feminisation. There are some internal conflicts, but just imagining being told to suck that cock is a huge turn on. As to what the Domme is thinking, well, I imagine it's kinda like a regular hetero guy watching girl-girl action. It's hot because it's two of their preferred gender partner doing sexy things together. Double hot because she's directing the action.

 

[das_risiko]

Thousands of men share your fantasy.

But I am always curious-- What special pleasure does Domme get out of it, do you suppose?

Possibly just the sight of seeing two men together? A lot of men love the sight of two women together. Is the opposite true for women? Do they enjoy seeing two men having sex with each other? I always wondered about that question since the urge to see two women is so strong for most men.

BTW - the idea of being "forced" to do something is a real turn on for me. I wish I knew how to get my wife to take charge and "force" me to do things I would never do on my own. The idea of being "supervised" loses a lot because part of the fantasy is not having control. That is not to say, you don't still take responsibility for your own actions. You have to in reality when the role playing is over, but not necessarily during the play. There is a definite separation between fantasy and reality.

 

[gaius7]

i've had to give forced blow-jobs and take guys in the ass because Mistress wanted to watch me do it. Judging by the moaning and the taste, I guess I did a good job for them. i doubt it was any different for a male Dom wanting to watch his sub with another woman.