moratorium on abortion

[Oliver Clozoff]

Speak for yourself, Laurelina.

I've had 1. They called it a kidney stone, but what do they know? hehe

damn, Pyper beat me to it!

 

[Laurel]

Speak for yourself, Laurelina.

I've had 1. They called it a kidney stone, but what do they know? hehe

Did you know that a 5-month-old kidney stone can live on its own outside the body? I saw this one kidney stone removal picture...it was being broken up by some heartless ultrasound technician and I swear in the picture it looks like it was screaming...horrible!

damn, Pyper beat me to it!

Beat back! Pyper could use a good spanking...

 

[Pyper]

I'm trying to feel alarmed at that prospect, but I just can't quite manage it.

 

[Todd]

But lavender..... your statement above finds its way to my short list of the most SEXIST things I have ever heard.

Texan, you have to understand Lavender is a Democrat she is allowed to be sexist, thats the rules, its the conservatives and republicans, and everyone else who is not alowwed to be sexist.

 

[unusuallyconfused]

Murder and rape are acts in which one person interferes with the liberty of another. Same applies to laws against theft, arson, etc.

But Laurel, couldn't we say that some people believe that it is a child in the womb so that is why they are so committed. They believe that there is some liberty of the child in the womb. I am not trying to start a world war and again, I have been on both sides of the issue so I just bring that to your attention. If someone believes this, then why would they be wrong for trying to protect the "child". On the other hand I understand desperation........lots of these issues are heartbreaking.

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

well-articulated, UC.

and Pyper, I'm generally opposed to corporal punishment, but with a woman so recalcitrant, who knows what I'd resort to?

 

[WriterDom]

WD, I believe, as some of the other democrats on the board have expressed, that you can be pro-life AND pro-choice. I am a leftist democrat, but I would never have an abortion

I'm sure abortion is a very tramatic experence and I'm not suggesting that a pro-choice person is pro-abortion. But my question is - Is there room in the democratic party for someone that wants to overturn roe vs wade?

 

[BlondGirl]

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This comparison is childish and irresponsible. A man has every right to have choices AND voice himself regarding his children--including the unborn, even if our legal system says otherwise.

Applying the above statement to abortion is like saying no non-black people have a right to say anything about racism because of history or that we have no right to judge Timothy McVeigh because we are not like him and have never been in his mind frame. It is absurd.
(I did state non-black as opposed to whites due to the emphasis placed by most vocal black people about racism being against only black people as opposed to being against humans of every color. Racism is experienced and demonstrated by people of every race, unfortunately.)

I am one who believes that it is morally wrong to discriminate against someone simply because of that person's age and physical development. This swings to both ends--from the euthanasia end to the abortion end. Life of the innocent is sacred. (Personal choice about one's own life is separate--I do believe in the right to the choice of suicide. This has already been discussed with my family and put on paper in the event of a serious trauma that leaves me unable to end my own life--there are many things I would never want to survive!)

I have been faced with unplanned pregnancy. Twice. My daughter,, before she was adopted out, was no less human simply because she was younger and I had the legal right to kill her. My son was no more human because he was almost 2 at the time I went into labor with my daughter. I was no more worthwhile simply because I am physically capable of voicing myself and being "productive", unlike my children when they were both still too young to be born.

I wonder if there were any newborns in the building that T. McVeigh blew up? There isn't much age or development level difference there.............. Of course, that would be unthinkably evil, right?

Men, please continue to voice yourselves and ignore childish attitudes of those who think they are elite simply because of the possession of a vagina.

 

[Laurel]

But Laurel, couldn't we say that some people believe that it is a child in the womb so that is why they are so committed.

Yes, some people do believe this, and I can see their reasoning. But the experts - doctors and the like - are split in this regard. When the experts disagree on something like this - when there's intelligent people on both sides of the debate - then I think it can be safely called a judgment call. There's no scientific evidence that you can point at and say, "Here is is - the proof that a fetus is/is not the same worth of a person!" Because everyone uses different criteria, you see. Some say that life begins at birth, others say it begins at conception. I read an article by Carl Sagan years ago in which he put forth that people are the sum of their experiences, and thus a fetus - having VERY limited experiences - was not of the same worth as a born child. I'm not sure whether I believe it or not, but it's an interesting idea.

It is NOT a cut & dried issue, and it generally (though not always) seems to fall along religious lines. Therefore, I believe it to be a moral issue. I'll say this - in cases where a woman will die if the fetus is not aborted, I will always 100% be for aborting the fetus and not killing the woman. So take that as you will.

I'm sure abortion is a very tramatic experence and I'm not suggesting that a pro-choice person is pro-abortion. But my question is - Is there room in the democratic party for someone that wants to overturn roe vs wade?

Why - you thinking of jumping ship?

Hell, I have no idea. It's not like I'm the head of the Democratic Party of San Diego County. So far as I know, anyone can be a Democrat. To my knowledge, Democrats are not punished for holding opposing views or for voting against party line. That's part of whole Progressive line: tolerance.

 

[bluntforcemama]

Not childish and irresponsible, it's true.

 

[Weird Harold]

Moritorium defined...

Moratoruim = A political buzzword meaning stop doing what I don't like until I can figure out how to make it a crime.

 

[Texan]

Re: Moritorium defined...

Moratoruim = A political buzzword meaning stop doing what I don't like until I can figure out how to make it a crime.

hahahahaha...... WH..... I love that....

 

[morninggirl5]

[BI I wonder if there were any newborns in the building that T. McVeigh blew up? There isn't much age or development level difference there.............. Of course, that would be unthinkably evil, right? [/B]

I'm not sure about the ages of the children who were killed, but the youngest who would have been in the daycare center would be 6 weeks. Four of the female victims were pregnant. Some of the "lists" of victims include their unborn children.