Mourning in America

[SnoopDog]

We've all lost. Some of us just don't know it yet.

Yesterday, an army of evangelical Christians and "moral Moms" voted in record numbers. Exit interviews reveal that the election didn't hinge on Iraq and the economy after all. Newly registered Republicans said they were motivated by two factors: Bush's promise to appoint Supreme Court justices who will overturn Roe vs. Wade, and his support of a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

Even the record number of new voters couldn't have done this alone. They had the help of people who were smart enough to know better, but chose to ignore the implications of awarding all three branches of government to a single party.

For some of them, it will sink in when Literotica is made illegal. In case you've forgotten, internet pornography is a major concern of the Christian right and those "moral moms," as the White House calls them. Your vote for George W. Bush guaranteed a right-wing majority on the Supreme Court. All that's needed now is a test case. You can be sure that somebody's working on it.

Congratulations.

You mean right now this site is actually .... legal?

Snoopy, lol.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Re: Re: Mourning in America

Unfortunatley honey, all the world knows it, but for most of the U.S. who will eventually, so far as our news is concerned, never admit it! Strange familiar here.

I have heard there will be a civil war now, but I am wondering how possible those of California and New York are going to to do it without getting their manicures crushed against dirty missionary, midwest housewives. Unless . . . .

Californians and New Yorkers know how to really use a frying pan?

WELCOME TO THE 18th CENTURY SHER!

I seriously doubt you will see a civil war. Bush won and those who own guns and know how to use them predominantly live in red states

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Oh, definitely... the South is not a good place to fuck with. There are kids that learn how to hunt before they learn long division.

 

[CharleyH]

Re: Re: Re: Mourning in America

I seriously doubt you will see a civil war. Bush won and those who own guns and know how to use them predominantly live in red states

LOL but NY and LA have the largest murder rates

Edit: Better shots even with manicures :|

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Mourning?

Eh, probably started early then, my head is still throbbing. First time I've drunk to shitfaced in a while. The campus is intriguingly solemn, all the weeping collegiates, heh.

In truth, I'm sort of beyond caring. I'm kind of glad that Bush won the popular vote. It means that we are a democracy not a dictatorship and that we deserve whatever befalls us. Sure I could rant about the vast hordes of morons in this country (on both sides of the party platform in case you think I'm being partisan in my nihilism), but eh, we're a dumb nation and me ranting don't change nuthin'.

If things get too bad here, I can always leave. Living in a world with free nations in it means I have that right.

 

[shereads]

The Blue States of America. I can hardly wait.

You red states will be happy to get Arnold back, I'm sure. You'll have Arnold, Texas, corn, mad cow disease, SUVs, the hurricane belt and amicus. We'll have the Pacific Coast highway, Manhattan, the Hamptons, higher education and friends whose loyalty hasn't been bought or blackmailed.

You'll have that statue of Justice whose exposed breast so offended John Ashcroft. ALL of our statues will be buck naked, from our new Lincoln Memorial to the George Clooney monument.

We'll have habeus corpus, free choice and freedom to worship or ignore God as we choose. You'll be waiting for the knock on the door in the middle of the night that means you're suspected of something by someone who's under no obligation to tell your lawyer where they're taking you. We'll be free to marry the man or woman of our choice. You'll be lucky if the Reverend Moon doesn't select a lifemate for you and have his choices sanctioned by Congress.

Best of all, we'll have Literotica. You'll have mandatory Bible study.

The Blue States of America. One nation, under no one, indivisible, with liberty and justice and all the dirty stories we can handle.

The line for visas forms at the left. In fact, it's inaccessible from the right.

 

[minsue]

*standing and applauding*

Priceless, sher.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

Sher was my write in.

 

[AngeloMichael]

I don't know how many of you read fantasy, but whether you do or not, check out this site from my favorite author, George R. R. Martin

http://www.georgerrmartin.com/

Read what he wrote in "About Feast for Crows"

Misery does love company, because even with how bad I feel, I feel better knowing I'm not alone.

Anyhow I'm done mourning now, I'm ready to face the world again and to hell with being a refugee in my own country, I'm now a rebel.

Rebelling against popular opinions and beliefs, I'm proud to be who I am and believe in what I believe and I refuse to feel bad about being in the minority with those beliefs. No one can take that away from me.

 

[ABSTRUSE]

I don't know how many of you read fantasy, but whether you do or not, check out this site from my favorite author, George R. R. Martin

http://www.georgerrmartin.com/

Read what he wrote in "About Feast for Crows"

Misery does love company, because even with how bad I feel, I feel better knowing I'm not alone.

Anyhow I'm done mourning now, I'm ready to face the world again and to hell with being a refugee in my own country, I'm now a rebel.

Rebelling against popular opinions and beliefs, I'm proud to be who I am and believe in what I believe and I refuse to feel bad about being in the minority with those beliefs. No one can take that away from me.

wow.

 

[bg23]

*cries*

 

[cantdog]

Seems today I don't seem so alone in my beliefs. So how I doubt many of you won't be suffering as much as you think you will at the Iron fist of G.W.


Being a conservate my thought is basically the government should be hands off when it comes to most things. Safety and helping those in need is where government needs to step into the fray.

Abortion should remain but we need to have some family values. Stop people from getting addicted to drugs. Prevent the spread of AIDS while still researching a cure. We must start taking personal responsiblity. I work at a major urban hospital. Many people come in with problems that they brought on themselves and I feel for ever one of them and what their life has become.

We are not the same people we once were....We need to take responsiblity for ourselves. That is what I think this elect is about. As I write Bush has 29 states and Kerry 19 making Bush the winner.

I hope some of the fighting can end and we can start working together. With this election the debate has helped me see many sides of the issues. With this debate hopefully law and thought can can be formed that is fair.

These people are not conservatives, Jagged. Have another look.

 

[rgraham666]

I keep thinking of a line from Space Viking by H. Beam Piper

I'm sorry, Prince Vandervart. You had a wonderful civilization here. You could have made anything of it. Now the gates are down and the barbarians are in.

 

[cantdog]

Kerry has conceded, V. We have given up.

Kerry is not "we."

Kerry never was "we."

He was, as many of you have said over and over, the "least worst." He got nearly all the anti-war vote, and he didn't have to even pretend to be anti-war.

Because you told him straight out you were voting for him as "anyone but Bush."

He got all the pro-choice vote, without having to do more than utter a homily about how he didn't think Roe v. Wade was in any serious difficulty. He even said a few pro-life judges would be fine. Later, he got a little more definite, but he never needed to.

Because you told him straight out you were voting for him as "anyone but Bush."

He got all the progressive vote, but he is no progressive.

Because you told him straight out you were voting for him as "anyone but Bush." In fact, you never have, ever, any influence with the "least worst." Because of his unique position, he could spend all his time courting the Right, talking about needing more troops in Iraq, just as the military people say is the case.

And you sure as hell don't have any influence with Bush.

You burnt that bridge. Now you're stuck. Well and truly. And the best you can do is mourn. When you ought to be reflecting instead.

Why do you suppose, despite a race with so many unclear features, a race with so many exposed cheats-- vote suppressions, vote dumping, registration dumping, and so on, a race statistically "too close to call," did your precious Democrat concede?

He did so because he was advised to.

He's owned. He was a Corporate candidate all along. He didn't come out for any of your populist issues because he isn't being paid to do that.

You ought to realize that the "least worst" idea was unwisdom, now.

The Republocrats and the demagogues have never espoused your leftist ideas for a generation now. Clinton didn't, although he campaigned on those issues. Instead, one by one he let them all go. The only issue he stood his ground on was NAFTA, which is hardly an anti-corporatist idea.

Every candidate of both parties since then, since 1988, if not before, has been owned.

Now quit being distracted by the circus of the election cycle. It doesn't apply right now. Our country is owned by the corporations and we need, not a third party, but a second party in this country.

You have put off understanding this long enough. The man who told you alll this you said was a narcissistic self-involved man who had once been great but who now was sunk in self-love and megalomania.

Righty-ho. So stop mourning, forgive yourselves, and learn from this.

Now that you've let it go so long, they have a very large police force with extraordinary powers to detain and "question," to limit your travel by airplane and train, to communicate by telephone, and so forth. They can and do search your homes without notice and warrant. It will, therefore, be more difficult.

But you have to put your effort into a second party, one for the people, one for the couintry which these men do not believe in. They don't believe in our constitution, our liberties, our very nation. They have deliberately beggared us and beggared the country and they have control of the armed forces.

But it has to be done anyway.

cantdog

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Oh, corporate-ness ain't so bad.

 

[cantdog]

Not if you live in them instead of in Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Iraq, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and so on. You should go to these places, Joe, see them. But pick carefully so you aren't shot down or kidnapped. We will need brilliant people, and I'd hate to lose you. But you ought to see them, smell them, experience them. Corporate exploitation is a monstrous thing.

 

[BlackShanglan]

There never was a cause so bad that good men did not believe in it for good reasons.

--- Jonathan O'Leary

If he can say it, I can say it, whatever my personal feelings.

 

[Guest]

The worst is not
So long as we can say 'This is the worst.'

          —King Lear, IV.i

 

[BlackShanglan]

Also,

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."

-- Henry VI

 

[cantdog]

I don't blame the "moral moms" for Nigeria or Haiti, but they have supported that sort of thing for good reasons, by their lights. Others have other reasons.

The people in the corporate world need not be monsters personally, you know, to operate the monstrous system. They may be the nicest guys imaginable.

Many slave owners were fine men, cultured and humane, but they were operating a monstrous system, one whose effects were horrendous. It's the same with the multinationals. The Supremes have told us that the corps are persons at law. They are clearly psychopaths, if they are persons. Use the DSM and look them over.

All this is history, we say, as though to dismiss it. But history and observations of the now are our guides to the next right action.

I ask you to reflect on what you see being done and what history shows you to have been done, by the powers which now are using this country for their own ends, and using the many poor of the world.

cantdog

 

[Pornofan420]

"In defeat...spite and resistance"

Personally, I don't plan to move to another country. I think we're in for a seriously fucked up 4 years. But just under half the country voted to kick the chimp out of his job.

We've got civil unrest, massive cultural division, and social upheaval of grand proportions coming our way. Skulls will be cracked by the jackbooted thugs in riot gear, tear gas will be wafting through the streets, but I believe people will resist.

I say bring it on. But then, I live in Oakland. We just voted to all but decriminalize personal possession of pot and re-elected Barbara Lee (THE LONE VOTE AGAINST AUTHORIZING THE IRAQ WAR) to Congress. Barbara Lee Speaks for Me. Big props to Barbara.

Remember, 48% of the people who voted, wanted to throw the fucker out on his ear. We are not alone. And it's still our country too!

Personally, I don't plan to throw any rocks, but I've got my 1st aid kit to help bandage the bleeding when we get shot at with rubber bullets. Again, I live in Oakland. They tested out a lot of their new crowd-suppression tech during the dock protests

 

[Edward Teach]

"In defeat...spite and resistance"

Personally, I don't plan to move to another country. I think we're in for a seriously fucked up 4 years. But just under half the country voted to kick the chimp out of his job.

We've got civil unrest, massive cultural division, and social upheaval of grand proportions coming our way. Skulls will be cracked by the jackbooted thugs in riot gear, tear gas will be wafting through the streets, but I believe people will resist.

I say bring it on. But then, I live in Oakland. We just voted to all but decriminalize personal possession of pot and re-elected Barbara Lee (THE LONE VOTE AGAINST AUTHORIZING THE IRAQ WAR) to Congress. Barbara Lee Speaks for Me. Big props to Barbara.

Remember, 48% of the people who voted, wanted to throw the fucker out on his ear. We are not alone. And it's still our country too!

Personally, I don't plan to throw any rocks, but I've got my 1st aid kit to help bandage the bleeding when we get shot at with rubber bullets. Again, I live in Oakland. They tested out a lot of their new crowd-suppression tech during the dock protests

PF, Kent State was less than 35 years ago. It was the day I totally lost my innocence.

http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2556/kent.html

Ed

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.... alright. Just so I'm on the right page.

Why is the corporate system--namely the set of legal statutes allowing a business to be a legal entity--a monsterous system?

 

[Pure]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.... alright. Just so I'm on the right page.

Why is the corporate system--namely the set of legal statutes allowing a business to be a legal entity--a monsterous system?

Because it's creating college grads who can't spell or punctuate.

 

[shereads]

The people in the corporate world need not be monsters personally, you know, to operate the monstrous system. They may be the nicest guys imaginable.

I've worked in a dozen corporations of different types and sizes, cantdog. The nice people rarely make it to the top. They're too concerned with doing the right thing. When the only behavior that's rewarded is meeting your quarterly numbers, there's no incentive to do even the smartest thing, much less the right thing. All goals are short-term goals, and everybody who's anybody is looking for his next job and makiing decisions without regard to long-term repercussions. How does someone nice survive in an environment where the future comes and goes every three months?