My latest story

[lovecraft68]

It drew some inspiration for an old scouries story that wasn't very good. Maybe you too thought you could do better with his idea.

As for "Porn Shoot", you may not remember this but I asked you permission to do my own version of it. I opened your story, didn't read word one, and then had a story idea from just the title and the description. But I couldn't make it work out - I was going to have them do an actual porn shoot but people don't make enough money from a porn shoot to make the story work.

Yes, the dollars in porn I think are around $1000 for a straight shoot, couple hundred more for anal, or threesomes. You can make good money over time, but they pay per shoot, not in advance, and for as many porn stars as there are 10 times that stop after only a couple shoots.

But...if you're talking someone wanting to film real incest? A wealthy perv with an incest kink who wants to see the real thing? Thousands can be believable.

My nude day entry is "The Next Milf Porn Star" so we're on target here. My device for this being enough money for what she needs is the woman who produces the porn is a friend of a friend and offers her an advance, but she has to sign a contract that she could be sued if she reneges...I mean again we have the debate of how plausible can you really make something?

But I set her first shoot at 5k because she is a legit amateur being filmed for the first time because the video series is "Next milf porn star" ...I need a life

 

[lovecraft68]

And now I've written "Sex Under Studio Lights"

Maybe we're running out of ideas.

Yup, as discussed in many threads not much new under the sun, but its about putting your spin on it.

They have these things on you tube _I'm sure other places too-things like "who did it better" and compare original songs and movies to remakes.

Be a fun exercise here with two authors doing similar stories, but of course, the butt hurt could be huge and it would easily end up mean spirited.

 

[SimonDoom]

Yes, the dollars in porn I think are around $1000 for a straight shoot, couple hundred more for anal, or threesomes. You can make good money over time, but they pay per shoot, not in advance, and for as many porn stars as there are 10 times that stop after only a couple shoots.

But...if you're talking someone wanting to film real incest? A wealthy perv with an incest kink who wants to see the real thing? Thousands can be believable.

My nude day entry is "The Next Milf Porn Star" so we're on target here. My device for this being enough money for what she needs is the woman who produces the porn is a friend of a friend and offers her an advance, but she has to sign a contract that she could be sued if she reneges...I mean again we have the debate of how plausible can you really make something?

But I set her first shoot at 5k because she is a legit amateur being filmed for the first time because the video series is "Next milf porn star" ...I need a life

Forget shoots. The key now is OnlyFans. Self-produced and self-promoted material. There are MILFs that have made serious money on OnlyFans. They're in the tiny minority, but the point is it's not total fantasy -- there are some that have done it. I read about a MILF who was making over one hundred grand per month. That'll pay the rent and then some.

 

[lovecraft68]

Forget shoots. The key now is OnlyFans. Self-produced and self-promoted material. There are MILFs that have made serious money on OnlyFans. They're in the tiny minority, but the point is it's not total fantasy -- there are some that have done it. I read about a MILF who was making over one hundred grand per month. That'll pay the rent and then some.

There is also sites which are the porn equivalent to self published authors. The people create content and sell it there. A lot of women are producing their own material and hiring the male talent, or often the talent is a BF or husband, and making a lot of money without the BS of the main industry.

Porn Hub is full of amateur couples releasing short teaser clips with links to their website to pay to see the full movie.

I'm amazed any women still go the route of the actual porn industry these days.

 

[8letters]

I gave your story a re-read and I have a few questions about the choices you made:
* What kind of personality were you trying to give the brother in the opening scene? What I got didn't fit with a 20ish young man
* What kind of personality were you trying to give the sister on the first page? The only description you give of her personality is that she's spontaneous. She out-of-the-blue proposes going camping and doesn't give a reason why. She dresses skimpily for the hike. She asks what's for lunch and then stares off into the distance. In her first chat we see with her brother, she's morose and tells him about an attempted date rape and that so many guys are entitled assholes. When they get to the lake, she's all excited. I didn't get any consistency
* How do you square the sister on page one thinking far too many guys are entitled assholes and she's trying to build up enough trust to date again with her on page two describing going to Cabo for spring break with two other girls and three guys, and letting a guy do a tequila shot on her body?
* Was there some foreshadowing that the brother would bring the components for tequila shots on the camp out that I missed? If the sister had brought them, I wouldn't have blinked, but I was surprised that the brother brought them
* My scenes are in order of increasing physical intimacy, with more of the bodies being exposed and more touching as the story goes along. Based on that, I'd say there was too much physical intimacy on the rock. I felt that the brother seeing his sister's tits on the rock reduced the impact of her taking off her shirt during the tequila shots scene (which was a very, very hot scene). Why did you have the sister go so far on the rock?
* Why did you give yourself just one night? You have a radical change in the relationship between the brother and sister occurring in one day. It felt rushed to me. Why not have a two-night or a three-night camp out?

 

[SimonDoom]

I gave your story a re-read and I have a few questions about the choices you made:
* What kind of personality were you trying to give the brother in the opening scene? What I got didn't fit with a 20ish young man
* What kind of personality were you trying to give the sister on the first page? The only description you give of her personality is that she's spontaneous. She out-of-the-blue proposes going camping and doesn't give a reason why. She dresses skimpily for the hike. She asks what's for lunch and then stares off into the distance. In her first chat we see with her brother, she's morose and tells him about an attempted date rape and that so many guys are entitled assholes. When they get to the lake, she's all excited. I didn't get any consistency
* How do you square the sister on page one thinking far too many guys are entitled assholes and she's trying to build up enough trust to date again with her on page two describing going to Cabo for spring break with two other girls and three guys, and letting a guy do a tequila shot on her body?
* Was there some foreshadowing that the brother would bring the components for tequila shots on the camp out that I missed? If the sister had brought them, I wouldn't have blinked, but I was surprised that the brother brought them
* My scenes are in order of increasing physical intimacy, with more of the bodies being exposed and more touching as the story goes along. Based on that, I'd say there was too much physical intimacy on the rock. I felt that the brother seeing his sister's tits on the rock reduced the impact of her taking off her shirt during the tequila shots scene (which was a very, very hot scene). Why did you have the sister go so far on the rock?
* Why did you give yourself just one night? You have a radical change in the relationship between the brother and sister occurring in one day. It felt rushed to me. Why not have a two-night or a three-night camp out?

These are all good questions. Some of them occurred to me as I wrote, and some of them didn't.

From the beginning I envisioned this as a not-very-long story that would take place over a short period of time. I did not want to write a long, involved story. I thought about making it a two-night trip, but I felt I'd just be repeating sex scenes and I didn't want to do that. I realized that by compressing events into such a short time frame I risked really straining plausibility, and I was OK with that. As a reader, I don't mind incest stories that get to the sex quickly. I am able to suspend disbelief about one big thing in a story almost regardless what it is, as long as I like the writing.

Concerning the brother, Christopher: He is supposed to be literate, verbal, intelligent, composed, deliberate, serious. I realize that he may seem somewhat more adult than a 20ish young man would be, but I didn't think it was too much of a stretch. I had plenty of friends in college who were mature and serious, and would have been able to write the way he narrates, and I didn't feel he was too much of a departure from that. To some degree, too, I didn't want him to have too much distinctive personality because I want the reader to slip into his perspective easily. In retrospect, if I did it again I would add something to his character that creates more tension with what happens between them. The encounter happened a little too easily, with not enough internal conflict.

Concerning the sister, Sara: If I did it again I'd work on her character. I don't agree that there's a conflict between having had some wild college experiences but also thinking guys are assholes. I know from personal experience that young women do feel this way. But I think Sara's character and personality are a little bit vaguer and less formed than I'd like them to be. After all, the story ends with them not just having had sex but having strong feelings about wanting to maintain a bond. If I did it again I would rework the attempted rape recollection scene, perhaps either eliminating it or adding something later in the story that follows up with it to give the scene a sense of resolution and also weaving it more satisfactorily into the plot.

This was meant to be a fairly short story, and my personal reader/writer view is that in a short story it's OK just to hint at or sketch certain personality traits that the reader can fill in using their imagination. The expectations about character development are limited. I find myself thinking this way when I read short stories. When I read longer stories I feel like more character development is required.

Also, character development wasn't what I was going after in this story. My main concern was having a certain feel to it, that involved combining the sensuality of nature with the sensuality of their experience. I've been wanting to write a story like this for a while.

 

[srgreene]

I'd like to get some feedback on my latest story, Summer At The Lake With My Sister. Link: https://www.literotica.com/s/summer-at-the-lake-with-my-sister.

I've written incest stories for a little over four years. Incest stories can become somewhat cookie-cutter in nature, and with this story I tried to move beyond that. I worked harder this time at 1) trying to make the main characters (brother and sister) real, 2) making the union between them plausible (while also being erotic), and 3) elevating the prose style. I welcome any comments.

Hi Simon-

I've not read your other stories, so I have no standard of comparison, but this was sensitively written (in quite grammatical English, I couldn't help but note). And the tequila shots were a delicious sensual moment.

Now this is purely a personal reaction- others may have a very different perspective. But, perhaps a mother of four (two each) who grew up as an only child, incest stories do not appeal to me and do not seem grounded in reality to me. My four were born in a five year period, so they went through adolescence more or less together, but I'm pretty sure there was no sexual attraction between them. And certainly none of mine were little angels growing up- they all were sexually active in high school- but they viewed their siblings as off-limits. While incest certainly happens, particularly in isolated circumstances, I think that growing up as a family tends to preclude sexual attraction.

So I might have preferred your story refer to cousins, maybe who knew one another well as children, but then reconnected in a different way in their college years- to me that would have been more realistic. But if you wanted to retain the incestuous nature of it, I would have liked a sense of ambivalence that they both might have experienced- you adumbrated it, but it could have been much more of a riveting aspect of your story.

 

[8letters]

I was watching a video on story plots, and the lecturer discussed the three acts model and "Save the Cat", which made me think of you. I thought about this story and decided that it didn't have a clear end to Act 1. Where would you say is the end of Act 1?