Never mind illegals -- why is it so hard to enter the U.S. legally?

[Sir_Timo_Volodok]

Never saw ICE do THAT!

Of course not.

Sucking the dick of the 1% is the only bipartisan area of agreement left in Washington.

 

[Wilson23]

Have not yet seen, so far, anyone give any reasons for our present immigration laws.

 

[Sir_Timo_Volodok]

Have not yet seen, so far, anyone give any reasons for our present immigration laws.

You might consider that the perception migration was out of control is the single biggest reason the populist right came to power, in both Europe and North America. It didn't have to be this way.

Obama knew better but people like you nicknamed him the Deporter-in-Chief.

If you want to keep MAGA in power keep screaming loudly about how you think there should be zero immigration controls. Kind of playing into their hands there boss.

Are you a false flagger or just a useful idiot?

 

[Wilson23]

You might consider that the perception migration was out of control is the single biggest reason the populist right came to power, in both Europe and North America. It didn't have to be this way.

And it was a false perception -- never forget THAT!

 

[Sir_Timo_Volodok]

And it was a false perception -- never forget THAT!

People in Germany would probably beg to differ that it was just 'perception,' but it doesn't really matter, now does it?

Perception is reality.

You seem to forget that we live in a Democracy and people vote based on perception. You can shout into the ether all you want. Your "we should have zero immigration controls" idea is a non-starter and an extreme political loser.

 

[Wilson23]

Oh, there are non-racist reasons to restrict immigration.

But those mean nothing to this Administration nor to the MAGA movement.

 

[Sir_Timo_Volodok]

No one has yet stated any good reason for having ANY immigration controls at all!

Oh, there are non-racist reasons to restrict immigration.

Have you heard the expression "pick a lane" before?

 

[Wilson23]

Have you heard the expression "pick a lane" before?

No one BUT ME stated reasons. Immigration does tend to depress working-class wages -- but that is the only downside and, even there, it's not that bad.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Myths...jobs_and_opportunities_away_from_Americans.22

 

[Sir_Timo_Volodok]

but that is the only downside

That's far from the only downside.

And if you bothered to actually read what I've written, you'd know I'm not anti-immigration, so I don't know why you're replying with some link to "Rational Wiki" like you need to sell me on its merits.

Fun fact: The depressive wage effect could be solved via better tax policy, enforcement of anti-trust/consumer protection laws, and a strengthening of labor unions.

But Democrats can't/won't do anything like that because most of them are just as beholden to the 1% as Republicans and the only solutions on offer are Rube Goldbergian expansions of an already broken public safety net.

 

[Wilson23]

That's far from the only downside.

What else is there?

 

[Reloader1971]

I sniff a whiff of hypocrisy in those who always say "We only have a problem with ILLEGAL immigrants! They broke our laws to get here, we can't reward that!" Because those are generally the same people most likely to resist any effort to expand the number of immigrants legally permitted. But WHY? Is it only fear of competition for jobs, burden on public services, etc.? Or is there some irrational fear of cultural/racial change in play here? Nobody has a right to die in a country closely resembling the one they were born in.

Well, Wilson, being the guru that you are, I can see I am wasting my time talking with your only one side. See how your narrative comes out how the illegals should be treated, rewarded for breaking the law of this country. I bet if you stop a man robbing the bank, with a bag of money, it's okay as long as he tells you he needs the money to feed his family, and you would let him go, because the money is insured. You know you would, that's the type of guy that you are. And if everyone does that, where are we as a society? When some get away with breaking the law, then everyone thinks they have a good reason to do the same

 

[Wilson23]

Well, Wilson, being the guru that you are, I can see I am wasting my time talking with your only one side. See how your narrative comes out how the illegals should be treated, rewarded for breaking the law of this country. I bet if you stop a man robbing the bank, with a bag of money, it's okay as long as he tells you he needs the money to feed his family, and you would let him go, because the money is insured. You know you would, that's the type of guy that you are. And if everyone does that, where are we as a society? When some get away with breaking the law, then everyone thinks they have a good reason to do the same

Apples and rocks. Crossing the border illegally is parking-ticket shit. And utterly victimless. America is in no way worse off for the presence of 11 million illegals -- many if not most of whom entered legally and overstayed their visas -- and we will not be any better off if Trump succeeds in expelling them all, which is probably impossible.

 

[Reloader1971]

Apples and rocks. Crossing the border illegally is parking-ticket shit. And utterly victimless. America is in no way worse off for the presence of 11 million illegals -- many if not most of whom entered legally and overstayed their visas -- and we will not be any better off if Trump succeeds in expelling them all, which is probably impossible.

Just to refresh your memory, Wilson, according to written law, 8 u.s.c. 1325, since 1911, it’s a federal misdemeanor to cross the border illegally. And there have never been that high of a number, visas admitted. As far as the illlegals, all the ones apprehended have been convicted of many crimes in the country they are fleeing from. And to date, almost 2 million have already self deported so they can return legally. So you haven’t lost that many census count or voters that you think. They might have to be sent back to different states to bring the count back up to the number you are looking for.

 

[DeluxAuto]

It takes too long to swing the next election.

Can illegals vote?

 

[Reloader1971]

Can illegals vote?

Not legally, but in some states they do. The Constitution clearly states you have a be a citizen to vote in a Presidential election, but nobody gives a rat’s ass about that any more

 

[Rightguide]

I sniff a whiff of hypocrisy in those who always say "We only have a problem with ILLEGAL immigrants! They broke our laws to get here, we can't reward that!" Because those are generally the same people most likely to resist any effort to expand the number of immigrants legally permitted. But WHY? Is it only fear of competition for jobs, burden on public services, etc.? Or is there some irrational fear of cultural/racial change in play here? Nobody has a right to die in a country closely resembling the one they were born in.

No, they are the ones most likely to continue breaking our laws. We need to find people who are worthy of becoming American citizens, people who will advance our culture, not freeloaders who would support the socialist Democrat Party.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Not legally, but in some states they do. The Constitution clearly states you have a be a citizen to vote in a Presidential election, but nobody gives a rat’s ass about that any more

In "some States they do" what? What does who do in some States? Be specific.

 

[Rightguide]

Just to refresh your memory, Wilson, according to written law, 8 u.s.c. 1325, since 1911, it’s a federal misdemeanor to cross the border illegally. And there have never been that high of a number, visas admitted. As far as the illlegals, all the ones apprehended have been convicted of many crimes in the country they are fleeing from. And to date, almost 2 million have already self deported so they can return legally. So you haven’t lost that many census count or voters that you think. They might have to be sent back to different states to bring the count back up to the number you are looking for.

I'm pretty sure it's a felony to do it twice.

 

[Reloader1971]

In "some States they do" what? What does who do in some States? Be specific.

If you were paying attention, you would know we were talking about the illegal immigrants. But to refresh your mind, I was just stating, in some states, the illegals are voting

 

[DeluxAuto]

If you were paying attention, you would know we were talking about the illegal immigrants. But to refresh your mind, I was just stating, in some states, the illegals are voting

Oh, I know what you were implying, I just wanted to make you type that stupid shit for everyone to see and laugh at.

 

[Wilson23]

the socialist Democrat Party.

You are an idiot.

 

[Reloader1971]

Oh, I know what you were implying, I just wanted to make you type that stupid shit for everyone to see and laugh at.

Oh, I know what you were implying, I just wanted to make you type that stupid shit for everyone to see and laugh at.

You are such a fucking idiot, I bet you worked all afternoon for that reply! I am going to let you little sewer rats play your game and laugh at your own intelligence. I will remember to flush you down the toilet as I leave

 

[Wilson23]

If you were paying attention, you would know we were talking about the illegal immigrants. But to refresh your mind, I was just stating, in some states, the illegals are voting

There are no states where illegals are voting.

 

[Reloader1971]

There are no states where illegals are voting.

Where is your proof? Let's see it

 

[Wilson23]

Where is your proof? Let's see it

https://www.brennancenter.org/topics/voting-elections/vote-suppression/myth-voter-fraud
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Voter_fraud