No pizzas for gays!

[1sickbastard]

http://zerobs.net/media/Oppressing-religious-freedom.jpg

 

[lovecraft68]

Now what about the people who work for these businesses?

Say you work for one of these assholes and your job is...your job, you support yourself and your family with it.

You don't buy this ignorant shit, but what do you do?

Sure its noble to say "quit your job" but what if you can't take that chance? So your choice is live in the street because you're unemployed or keep the job and have everyone think you're an asshole like your the owner of your work.

Now...what if the employee says its their religious belief that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality (my wife's church for instance) and they can say their religious beliefs are being violated for being forced to discriminate....

What a fucking mess.

 

[lovecraft68]

great opportunity for the pizza place next door that does

This is my take exactly and why I think this thing is going to blow over. The businesses that back this bullshit are going to be boycotted and go belly up quick.

Just to bad for all the employees who are going to lose jobs over asshole owners like this prick.

 

[Busybody]

http://zerobs.net/media/Oppressing-religious-freedom.jpg

Who is likely to burn and stone the gaze

 

[about_average]

Yes, a business should be allowed to refuse service to any customers they want.

http://abhmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/WeWashForWhitePeople.jpg

Or did the US decide there was a problem with that?

 

[Busybody]

Yes, a business should be allowed to refuse service to any customers they want.

http://abhmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/WeWashForWhitePeople.jpg

Or did the US decide there was a problem with that?

who is refusing what to who?

 

[sr71plt]

"The Good Wife" did a mock trial on this issue last night. Interesting stuff.

 

[Busybody]

who is refusing what to who?

 

[Busybody]

"The Good Wife" did a mock trial on this issue last night. Interesting stuff.

details

 

[sr71plt]

Those who really want to can bring up last night's "The Good Wife" episode themselves. It gave a good representation of both sides of the issue (which is a whole lot more than most posting to this forum are willing to do).

 

[Busybody]

 

[Boxlicker101]

Yes, a business should be allowed to refuse service to any customers they want.

http://abhmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/WeWashForWhitePeople.jpg

Or did the US decide there was a problem with that?

The Congress and POTUS decided in 1964 there was a problem with that. However, the law that was passed says nothing about sexual orientation.

 

[Busybody]

The Congress and POTUS decided in 1964 there was a problem with that. However, the law that was passed says nothing about sexual orientation.

That is why i asked what i did

 

[BettyPoop]

It Begins: Restaurant owner says he won't provide pizzas for same-sex weddings

A pizza place is backing Indiana Governor Mike Pence for signing the state’s controversial Religious Freedom Act.

Of course liberuhls would be against freedom and religion.

Indiana has crap pizza.

I believe that Last Supper painting shows a passover meal.

 

[BettyPoop]

Plant a teatard and nothing happens.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Indiana has crap pizza.

I believe that Last Supper painting shows a passover meal.

It probably wasn't pizza, though. For one thing, pizza dough is not unleavened.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

The Congress and POTUS decided in 1964 there was a problem with that. However, the law that was passed says nothing about sexual orientation.

The point is that the very same arguments were made to justify refusing service to black people that are being made to justify refusing service to the LGBT community.

Same bigotry, different target.

 

[sr71plt]

The point is that the very same arguments were made to justify refusing service to black people that are being made to justify refusing service to the LGBT community.

Same bigotry, different target.

"The Good Wife" last night included a segment on this where a mock court was set up on the Christian baker business. A wedding planner (they moved from the case of baker, who they decided had less of a leg to stand on than a wedding planner, to a case of a wedding planner). The wedding planner testified on how providing planning services for a gay wedding would put her at odds with the Bible. She was asked if she'd planned weddings for people who had been divorced. Yes. Then she was told there were zero instances in the Bible of condemning same-sex marriages, but three of condemning divorce.

 

[lovecraft68]

"The Good Wife" last night included a segment on this where a mock court was set up on the Christian baker business. A wedding planner (they moved from the case of baker, who they decided had less of a leg to stand on than a wedding planner, to a case of a wedding planner). The wedding planner testified on how providing planning services for a gay wedding would put her at odds with the Bible. She was asked if she'd planned weddings for people who had been divorced. Yes. Then she was told there were zero instances in the Bible of condemning same-sex marriages, but three of condemning divorce.

Of course that would be because homosexuality was such a intolerable sin in the bible that it could never even be conceived of back then that they could get married.

The problem with the bible and its "dedicated" followers is they are very picky and choosy with what they think is relevant and irrelevant to the times.

Like your example about divorces being condemned, now its no big deal...why, because society has changed.

Just like its changed to be accepting of homosexuality....but it seems they are okay with one change, but not the other...

The problem at the end of the day is there are no bigger hypocrites in the world than those god fearing Christians.

Organized religion is the single biggest hate group in history.

 

[lovecraft68]

The point is that the very same arguments were made to justify refusing service to black people that are being made to justify refusing service to the LGBT community.

Same bigotry, different target.

Its become pretty obvious that you are upset that someone is being discriminated against besides blacks, because you keep bringing this back to that point.

Is the LGBT muscling in on your territory of persecuted minority?

 

[Busybody]

the REAL question is

would GAZE g to a MUSLIM baker? NO!

why then go where they may be turned down, where there are dozens of other locations to choose from?

WHY?

WE KNOW

W
H
Y

 

[about_average]

Of course that would be because homosexuality was such a intolerable sin in the bible that it could never even be conceived of back then that they could get married.

Except that's not true. Same sex unions existed then, certainly in the period covered by the new testament.

 

[about_average]

The Congress and POTUS decided in 1964 there was a problem with that. However, the law that was passed says nothing about sexual orientation.

I'm fairly certain you missed the point.

 

[njlauren]

"The Good Wife" last night included a segment on this where a mock court was set up on the Christian baker business. A wedding planner (they moved from the case of baker, who they decided had less of a leg to stand on than a wedding planner, to a case of a wedding planner). The wedding planner testified on how providing planning services for a gay wedding would put her at odds with the Bible. She was asked if she'd planned weddings for people who had been divorced. Yes. Then she was told there were zero instances in the Bible of condemning same-sex marriages, but three of condemning divorce.

Yeah, well, the religious right, including the leaders of the Catholic Church, have turned Christianity into being anti gay and anti abortion and not much else. Apparently the good Christians would have no problem catering the wedding of divorced people (which according to Christ is committing adultery), giving services to those who have committed adultery, and obviously, servicing people who are otherwise sinners (They forgot to read in the Bible that we all are sinners).

What is being lost in this is the Indiana Law is not just about a bakery or photographer refusing customers, the law basically makes it so any bible thumping loser can claim religious basis for discrimination. Despite what Scumito, Antonin "Da Boss" Scalia and the rest said, Hobby Lobby extended the religious freedom acts to businesses, and it wasn't just about birth control. Some douchebag who is a born again Christian could refuse to hire people of other faiths, he could refuse to hire gays (or fire them) and claim religious belief. When others cite the civil rights movement, what they forget is that more than a few of them claimed that segregation was wanted by God and that therefore they couldn't serve blacks, and this could open that up again. Yes, the law talks about limits, that if the state could prove an overriding reason to not allow the belief, it would be okay to do so, but what is overriding reason, and who decides that? You have GOP candidates like Rand Paul saying that the civil rights laws were illegal and ill thought out, so what would stop conservative judges to allowing discrimination in hiring and such based on religious law?

It is funny, the right wing Christians who are behind these laws will yell themselves silly talking about the middle east, how fucked up it is, how Muslims kill each other over who is right, yet they cannot see that the laws they are trying to pass are leading to the same thing, of fracturing around religious belief and lettting it turn into the kind of hatred and strife you see in the middle east. The religious freedom act wasn't designed to protect stupidity, it was designed to allow individual religious belief, it was not designed for businesses and it certainly wasn't designed to create legal discrimination based on religious belief. What the shitkickers also don't realize is these laws cut both ways, the born again Christian crowd just might find that when they go to apply for jobs are companies, that they are going to be told to get lost, that no one wants bigoted dumb fucks as employees, and they may be better served working at Chic Fil A or Hobby Lobby for minimum wage.

 

[sr71plt]

Yeah, well, the religious right, including the leaders of the Catholic Church, have turned Christianity into being anti gay and anti abortion and not much else.

I think you're looking at the wrong churches. The trend in institutional churches is going dramatically in the other direction. It doesn't sound, from your posting, that you actually keep track of this--you seem to have made up your mind on the basis of what you want to believe and haven't done the research.