No, there is not really any "Deep State"

[Wilson23]

Where did that bullshit even come from?! It's some QAnon-level insanity!

Remember, there's supposed to be a civil service that sometimes goes against the President! Our system depends on that! Without that, Nixon might have finished his second term -- I hope not even a Deplorable would want that to happen!

 

[Wilson23]

This is the kind of nonsense I'm talking about.

 

[Wilson23]

This too.

 

[Wilson23]

"In countries where associations are free, secret societies are unknown. In America there are factions, but no conspiracies."

-- Alexis de Tocqueville

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

doesnt deep state mean the usa government within the usa government

 

[icanhelp1]

doesnt deep state mean the usa government within the usa government

IMHO I believe it means the synergy of unelected government exudes more influence over the people than elected government.

 

[LLCox]

There is no "deep state" Congress and the President are quite capable of fucking everything up themselves.

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

IMHO I believe it means the synergy of unelected government exudes more influence over the people than elected government.

which means in non political terms and sayings

 

[Wilson23]

which means in non political terms and sayings

It is the idea that elections are futile, or deceptive, because no matter how the people vote, the policies are really determined by the unelected civil service or "permanent government." Think Sir Humphrey in "Yes, Minister."

Now, there IS something to that, but not at all in the way the Trumpers think.
https://www.amazon.com/Deep-State-Constitution-Shadow-Government/dp/0143109936
https://www.npr.org/2019/11/06/7768...d-the-deep-state-doesnt-like-the-way-its-used

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

It is the idea that elections are futile, or deceptive, because no matter how the people vote, the policies are really determined by the unelected civil service or "permanent government." Think Sir Humphrey in "Yes, Minister."

Now, there IS something to that, but not at all in the way the Trumpers think.
https://www.amazon.com/Deep-State-Constitution-Shadow-Government/dp/0143109936
https://www.npr.org/2019/11/06/7768...d-the-deep-state-doesnt-like-the-way-its-used

oh ok

 

[Hel_Books]

The current state of the state in the USA seems to be pretty shallow. Consider:

One problem with lawyering for an overt crook is that it’s hard to keep track of which lies you can get away with, because the crook sometimes blurts out what you’re trying to cover up.

This was the predicament Todd Blanche found himself in on Sunday. Blanche, Trump’s former personal lawyer, is now the deputy attorney general of the United States. On Meet the Press, Kristen Welker asked him about the September 20 Truth Social post in which Trump openly pressured Attorney General Pam Bondi to indict former FBI Director James Comey, Sen. Adam Schiff, and New York Attorney General Leticia James.
. . .
Welker brought up Erik Siebert, a career federal prosecutor who, as she recounted, “was fired after refusing to prosecute these cases against James Comey.” This time, Blanche decided to risk a denial. “Mr. Siebert wasn’t fired because he refused to bring cases,” he shot back. “He resigned, okay?”

Poor Blanche. He might have answered that question differently if Welker had read him the rest of Trump’s September 20 post. Siebert “lied to the media and said he quit,” the president wrote. “No, I fired him.”

In another post earlier that day, Trump said the same thing: “He didn’t quit, I fired him!”

This is one of those rare cases in which Truth Social told the truth. Trump pushed out a prosecutor for admitting there was no case against Comey. Then Trump berated Bondi for failing to secure indictments against his enemies, and he installed another flunky to orchestrate the bogus indictment, which was then dismissed. All along, Trump has been hectoring Bondi, Blanche, and others to pursue his vendettas.

For a minute there, Blanche thought he could get away with lying about it. He forgot that the boss had already spilled the beans.

 

[Wilson23]

This relates: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/donald-trump-administrative-state-michael-lind

 

[Wilson23]

Remember, there's supposed to be a civil service that sometimes goes against the President!

And if only we could depend on that NOW!