Non Consent?

[Deborah]

I drugged Roger's tea with Angeldew (this is an aphrodisiac consisting of blood, hashish and Nephilim semen). Next I cuffed him to the bed face down, with a little slack so I could get his butt up in the air. Then I strapped on my Big Bob ding dong dildo and did you know what to him for days.

Now, Ron and Flagg, poor Roger better go hide because every girl who reads this surely is gonna be after his sorry ass!

 

[Guest]

And, do you know - she didn't even pay her half of the bill for the room?!?!! Now that IS taking liberties.

Still, I forgive her 'cause she's my special little Debwa the Zebwa. (I call her that 'cause of those pretty red stripes she has all across her butt.)

roger
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[Dixon Carter Lee]

I have too much to say about the above and so much has beens aid already that I'll just wait for the next "where's the line?" thread to play. I just popped in because Roger wrote this: "I found that scene with Tra-La-La in 'Last Exit To Brooklyn' utterly devastating to watch but I still thought it was an excellent film and I'll probably watch it again some day." I was almost in that scene. I got cast as a striking worker and took a bus out to Brooklyn to start shooting. When I got there they told me they'd have to practically shave my head, cause that's what all the guys looked like. I got back on the bus like the young idiot that I was. Tra-la-la.

 

[Guest]

Jennifer Jason Leigh. I'm very fond of Jennifer Jason Leigh. Did you see her playing Dorothy Parker in 'Mrs Parker & the Vicious Circle'?

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I did. I've always liked her, too.

 

[Bob Waters]

Excellent topic line!

I recently submitted a story (I hope it will be posted soon!) entitled 'Confession'. It deals with non-consent in a blackmail type situation. I based this story on a favorite fantasy of my wife's. A good percentage of my wife's fantasies deal with non-consesual sex. This is interesting because she was sexually abused as a child by a close male relative. I don't think I could pick someone who had suffered a more traumatic experience -to be systematically raped from age 9 to age 18 by someone you were supposed to trust, yet she still gets off on non-consent fantasies.

I suspect her story is far from unique. As someone said, it is more about control then anything else. My wife, by the way, is a normal, healthy woman with surprisingly few hang-ups for someone who had been through this. She has no desire to be in any of these situations for real, but as a fantasy.... you get the picture. I really don't think anyone could be inspired by a story or an image to go out and committ a henious crime like rape unless he was ready to do so anyway. I suspect that most men, deep down in that place they don't like to look, fantisize about dominating a beautiful woman. Fantasy stories serve as a harmless outlet for these impulses.

 

[Guest]

Porn

Do not concern yourselves over these matters. In the New World Order there will be no porn because there will be no freedom.

 

[Flagg]

I'm really glad I trawled through all those posts I had already read so as to read your input Big Brother.

 

[Silkyheat]

I just couldn't let this one go by. As both an
incest and rape survivor, I would like to say that
unless the victim were totally unhinged by the
experiences they went through, to the point of being
unable to separate fact from fiction, these types of stories
should not offend. As I well know, these
victims typically hide their emotions so they don't
have to deal with them. These persons will be jolted
by such stories. They have yet to move on.

Once we victims do move into the survivor mode,
we are just as healthy sexually as anyone else. Maybe
a little kinkier even. These types of stories are just fantasies,
and fantasies allow us to be who we often
don't dare to be in life. I am offended by incest and bestiality,
so that's not an area I will read from.

I agree with most of what's been said here. We alone
are responsible for our actions, and cannot blame a
story, movie, etc. for the things we do. Maybe I'm
naive, but I find it hard to believe people are so
ignorant as to believe that feasible.

 

[H. Crap Whitman]

Hmmph.

 

[Evesdemise]

U B U & I B ME

To anyone who scrolled this far, or jumped here to see the latest post--this is my 2 1/2 cents...
I believe that the question themed in this thread mirrors the age-old questions: "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" and "Am I my brother's keeper?"
To resolve this problem of "blame", at least to some degree, we must first establish what art is. After coming to some agreement on this, we must then decide if we believe art imitates life, or life imitates art.
I feel that art can be defined simply as any concept mankind feels the need to illustrate. Illustration can be found in writing, in dance, in song, in paintings, photographs, sculpture, speech, and even fashion and architecture. This list is far from complete, and I believe this is primarily because we all have the ability to create.
In coming to this conclusion, I feel the second establishment becomes even simpler. If art is a concept of wide variety, than it must be derived from a tangible source of same such variety; namely life itself.
Therefore, art is art and life is life. Both, due to mankind's fear, or apathy, can be altered or even silenced into extinction.
Neither should ever be.

 

[Jaz]

NC/ok with me

Hi there, I am probably your polar opposite. All of my stories(19) involve rape/nc content. For me it still comes down to, is this fantasy we write, or not? If it is then write what you are good at. I don't see rape stories as only a theraputic release for people who have been raped. A lot of readers try to psycho-analyze my reasons for writing, and fail miserably. I write them primarily for fun. (However, I have received 2 letters in the past 2 years from young ladies who say they avided a rape, because they were alert to the danger of a real situation similar to one of my stories.) I saw too many stories like you mentioned, where the woman fell in love with her rapist. THAT sickens me. I wanted to write GOOD rape stories. It is lust+anger+sexual tension+opportunity X selfishness+ a dollop of humor= good rape. Some people like to write gentle romantic stories. (I sure as hell don't, but whatever floats your boat.)Some like to write pedo,scat,snuff tales(I sure as hell don't, but whateer floats your boat). Most of us fall in between.

(Preacher) Jaz

 

[Evesdemise]

And now for something completely different...

Have I just been staring too long at this CRT, or did I notice someone used the word "Nefilim"?
((Yeah, I know this has nothing to do with the thread, but I wanted to know if I was seeing things))

 

[Deborah]

Yes, I mentioned Nephilim. I often refer fondly to the fallen angels. They are back, you know, after thousands of years. Once again these supernatural creatures are seducing human women, as they did in the days of Noah.

Incidentally, Roger Simian, who posted on this thread, is a mutant descendent of the Nephilim. Really! Read the true story "Roger the Scotsquatch." Now, the Scotsquatch, while resembling a human only facially, does possess great intelligence and sexual magnetism (such ask Gingersnap!) which he inherited from his ancestors, the Nephilim.

LOL! About Flagg who started this nonconsent thread. I wonder how he "feels" now with a 16 inch dildo stuck up his ass while driving a U-Haul truck loaded with coffins to Cleveland.

 

[poohlive]

Wow, Deborah, you have some really good ideas in your head. I would love to philosiphize with you sometime, lol, I think it would be interesting what happenes.

 

[Jaz]

Uh, the Nephilim are dead.

Yes, I mentioned Nephilim. I often refer fondly to the fallen angels. They are back, you know, after thousands of years. Once again these supernatural creatures are seducing human women, as they did in the days of Noah.

Incidentally, Roger Simian, who posted on this thread, is a mutant descendent of the Nephilim.

Most bible scholars would disagree with the above descripton of the Nephilim(or if you prefer the alternate Hebrew translation gibborim, or even the greek Gigantes. Ok, now I'm showing off I promise I'll stop). The Nephilim are the hybrid offspring of fallen Anges, and human women. These angels left their responsibilities in heaven and came to earth to fuck some hot looking women. The created human APPEARING bodies and had the Nephilim. Like any other Hybrid these children were not able to reproduce. They had no special abilities. They were simply large, mean spirited bullies. When the flood came the fallen angels dematerialized, and returned to the spirit realm to escape. The Nephilim had no such abiliy, so they died.

The only other reference is in Numbers chapters 13 and 14. Terrified Hebrew spies made a false report, about the giants ihabiting the land of Canaan.

(Rambling) Jaz

 

[Evesdemise]

Fallen Angels

Yes, I mentioned Nephilim. I often refer fondly to the fallen angels. They are back, you know, after thousands of years. Once again these supernatural creatures are seducing human women, as they did in the days of Noah.

I see, I think. I thought maybe you were a fan of Zechariah Sitchkin's Earth Chronicles, but then again, he spells his angels' names as the Nefilim, without the "ph". Thanks for the visual though.

 

[Deborah]

Poohlive, regarding your comment that "I would love to philosiphize with you sometime, lol, I think it would be interesting what happenes," I know what would happen. I heard a rumor you talk too much. I'd gag you and stick a 16 inch dildo up your ass and shut you the fuck up.

First, Preacher Jaz, if you are going to "quote" please do it right. You got your comments and mine interspersed such that nobody can tell who said what.

Second, Preacher Jaz, like most preachers, you appear to be biblically illiterate. I have (with a little help from my friend, she writes the Harley stuff) compiled the most extensive research to be found in one document on the Nephilim. You can find it in the Erotic Novel section of Literotica, entitled "Prey for Me." Now, how do I know all this? I have been intercoursing with one of the Nephilim.

 

[poohlive]

Deborah, I don't know where you come from. Who in the world do you think you are? I was just interested in your ideas is all.
If you don't want to have a nice calm and rational talk, then all you had to do was say so. I thought you were the kind of person with thoughts and ideas, and morals, I guess I was wrong.
It is really nice you pick rumors over an actual conversation, it really shows how mature you are.
Oh, and one more thing, if you ever threaten me again, I will take it seriously. I don't like being threatened, maybe some other people might think it is good to be promised a dildo up their ass, but I take it not only as a threat, but as a very serious one.

[Edited by poohlive on 08-22-2000 at 09:44 PM]

 

[Jaz]

Deb can't believe you want to piss folks off over the nefellum oh shit I spelled it wrong, guess that will get me the 16inch dildo treatment. One request: can I have mine in neon blue, with a vibrating tip?

Seriously I could not decide if I was pissed at you for being so rude, or thankful for giving me such a good laugh. Then I realized there is nothing wrong with doing both. I can laugh at you, and still hope you grow up and be polite.

Maybe you shouldn't talk with demon spawn anymore. They seem to make you really cranky.

(laughing) Jaz