NYT Article Says Bi is a Lie

[rcuhljr]

Hmmm.. you'd think they could just use solo porn, once video of a guy/girl pleasing themselves. Would solve the can't relate issue.

 

[John Doe]

The New York Times will say anything just to stir up some shit.

 

[VinnieMeatball]

It's not only the NYT saying garbage like this. So many people are under the false impression that women can be bi, but as soon as a guy is with another guy he is automatically gay. It's a stupid societal misconception and obviously this irresponsible study and the reporting of the study will just serve to fuel the ignorance. (And if bisexual men didn't have enough bullshit to deal with already...)

 

[Netzach]

Porn is a bad indicator of preference. If they wired up my husband, who is bi, and showed him naked twink on twink porn and your usual hetero porn, he'd probably flag asexual. If you wired him up and showed him some old guy fucking a young dude and regular hetero porn he'd flag gay. If you wired him up and showed him bears with cigars and femdom fetish movies he'd flag straight. If you managed to show him two things he actually liked, you might find your "rare" bisexual.

This story got a spot on my local NPR station, I'm glad I saw that blog so I can also ask them why they didn't check out the researcher one bit.

 

[fille]

Porn is a bad indicator of preference. If they wired up my husband, who is bi, and showed him naked twink on twink porn and your usual hetero porn, he'd probably flag asexual. If you wired him up and showed him some old guy fucking a young dude and regular hetero porn he'd flag gay. If you wired him up and showed him bears with cigars and femdom fetish movies he'd flag straight. If you managed to show him two things he actually liked, you might find your "rare" bisexual.

This story got a spot on my local NPR station, I'm glad I saw that blog so I can also ask them why they didn't check out the researcher one bit.

A very good point - there's a great deal of "straight" porn that doesn't do a thing for me, and heaven knows I like men! I also don't usually get much out of lesbian porn, though I would be quite happy to be a participant instead of a viewer. In fact, some of the porn that really turns me on is gay male.

Gosh, do you think I'm actually a gay man and didn't know it?

 

[bi_asian_guy]

*****

 

[h_i_s]

well the article makes me just think about a stupid friend i have , he says homosexuality and bisexuality is all in the head , and i just think what a stupid person he is . And he also thinks that gay men can be "reprogrammed" back to heterosexuality , and he is just so mindless stupid in his remarks , that it is just plain stupid.

sorry for this remark but the articky in NY times can kiss my big hairy arse.

The study is total BS ... inconclusive, at best ... just ridiculous.

However, your stupid friend has, at least, a SHRED of a clue. For me a picture in itself of another woman OR of a male, would not get me quite that aroused ... much. Give me the actual FLESH, add to that ... two minds and imaginations running wild ... and .....

YES! It's all in my head. The most powerful sexual organ is found between the ears .... not the thighs.

 

[Wolfman1982]

sinn0cent1: well he ain´t my friend anymore when he punched at me with his canoo roeing thing . without any good reason(and we were in the water). second that scared me shitless.

If he had stood up in the canoo i would have been forced to smack the shit out of him.

(it all happened last week)

people i don´t think that a gay/bi man or woman can be "reprogrammed" into straightness, since that involves indoctrination and brainwashing.

and again NYT can kiss my arse.

that is why i wrote my "stupid friend".

and i am bi, although with a strong preference to women. And i live in the closet.

 

[h_i_s]

people i don´t think that a gay/bi man or woman can be "reprogrammed" into straightness, since that involves indoctrination and brainwashing.

They can TRY and wash my brain,
....scrub me inside out with a stiff wire brush ... dip me in bleach ...... and even if they hold my favorite rubber ducky hostage .....

It won't change a damn thing. i'll still be attracted to both sexes.

and i am bi, although with a strong preference to women. And i live in the closet.

i'm bi, with a strong attraction/preference to 'my Husband' ... i'm in the closet too ..... except with Him. He knows i enjoy women. i finally enjoyed acting on my bi-curious longings for the first time just two nights ago. HE found her & surprised me with her (yes ... i DO know how lucky i am ... He is very supportive, understanding ... and enthusiastic in regard to my being bisexual). He's amazing & it was wonderful ............. .

 

[fille]

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I am always checking out women, I seek out their company, I am emotionally attracted to them, I love sex with them. As for my attraction for men, it is purely sexual - aside from platonic friendships with men, I do not seek out their company unless I am very horny and want to fuck them or be fucked by them.

(I should say, however, that I disagree with you about gay porn - I most definitely love to masturbate to it as it fits perfectly into my world: men as pure sex objects, nothing more, and once my cock softens I really would rather be doing something else).

I'm not gay - I have no interest in being emotionally close to men (other than as friends or family). I don't check out men I see in real life. It's only if I get into a potentially sexual situation with them that I start to pay attention to them.

Apparently I am in a very very very small minority, if that study is to be believed.

Re: my interest in lesbian scenes: I don't really 'get' why hetero men love lesbian sex scenes so much.

Heck, most of the bi people I know are like this - "oriented" toward the opposite gender when it comes to relationships, love, romance, whatever, but with a definite sexual desire for the other gender as well (not instead of). I'm sure there are also those who can be romantically interested in either gender, but at least in my experience that seems to be a minority.

 

[HornyTeenBoy]

ok, so maybe I missed some other discussion of this, but I would love to know what people think about this - an article in yesterday's New York Times details a study in which the researchers allegedly found that bisexual orientation does not really exist, at least in men. The study involved showing erotic videos to men who had identified themselves as gay, straight, or bisexual, and measuring their arousal response. The videos featured either exclusively women or exclusively men. The results showed that men who identified as bi didn't actually have arousal when looking at both types of videos. Mostly, they were "aroused" only by the videos of men, leading the researchers to conclude that they were actually gay.

The bolded part right there cinches it for me. I'm.... well, I guess I'm bi-curious. If there had to be a clear-cut line between gay and straight, as these researches seem to believe, then I'm straight because I generally find women more attractive and I can only imagine my self being with a woman long-term. However, that doesn't mean I find girl/girl porn attractive. Occasionally, when I'm in the mood, yeah; but usually, no. Sometimes it's even a turn-off. Who knows, maybe if I saw the real thing it would be different. <.<;;

ANYWAY, my point is, just because someone isn't aroused by girl/girl porn doesn't necessarily mean they're therefore gay. Of course, the whole study is stupid because sexual orientation can't be quantified and categorized.

 

[knkycva]

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[fille]

The bolded part right there cinches it for me. I'm.... well, I guess I'm bi-curious. If there had to be a clear-cut line between gay and straight, as these researches seem to believe, then I'm straight because I generally find women more attractive and I can only imagine my self being with a woman long-term. However, that doesn't mean I find girl/girl porn attractive. Occasionally, when I'm in the mood, yeah; but usually, no. Sometimes it's even a turn-off. Who knows, maybe if I saw the real thing it would be different. <.<;;

ANYWAY, my point is, just because someone isn't aroused by girl/girl porn doesn't necessarily mean they're therefore gay. Of course, the whole study is stupid because sexual orientation can't be quantified and categorized.

There are just so many personal issues of taste and interest involved in porn - even if it's the "orientation" you prefer, you might just not like the particular film. A great deal of the porn made in recent years, regardless of the participants, turns me right off. I hate the stuff that's basically all close ups of genitals - it doesn't arouse me at all. I want to see the interaction of the people, their bodies moving together. If they had showed me some recent vintage porn and measured by arousal, they probably would have concluded that I didn't like sex at all!

 

[DarkAurora]

I think in 20 or 30 years, most people's beliefs about gay or bi people are going to be much better because a lot of people are realizing thier orientation at a much younger age because of exposure of the GLBT community in the media, so they will feel more comfortable with themselves when they grow up, so their will be a lot more openly gay or bi people.

 

[fille]

I think in 20 or 30 years, most people's beliefs about gay or bi people are going to be much better because a lot of people are realizing thier orientation at a much younger age because of exposure of the GLBT community in the media, so they will feel more comfortable with themselves when they grow up, so their will be a lot more openly gay or bi people.

I think you are right about that - certainly hope you are. My children are aware that man/woman marriages are not the only kinds of loving adult relationships that go on, though they are too young to have much insight into that. I hope that by knowing about that and having their parents treat it as just another normal way of life, they will grow up with that attitude too. But in my part of the country, at least, there are still an awful lot of people who feel fine about going around publicly talking about their ignorant negative attitudes about homosexuality. I'm not sure those folks have even gotten their minds around the fact that bisexuality is out there. So while we are trying to raise our children to think of people's sexual orientation just like they think of their skin color or religion or whatever (that it doesn't matter - good people are good people), we face conflicting signals that they will inevitably receive from many other people in their community.

 

[Hooper_X]

Personally, I think that absolutely Straight and absolutely Gay are lies.

 

[fille]

Hooper_X, you may be on to something there!

 

[Nabokov]

Identifying myself as bi, I think I may be a counter example to the origional question whether bi men are really just gay men. Like some who have posted, I am attracted to and love woman, but am turned on by having sex with woman and men at the same time.

Also, is it possible that one or the other set of video's just sucked? Male oriented lesbian porn can be really run of the mill.

 

[KharisLeaf82]

My Bisexual Straight Male Companion's take

I was reading this thread over the phone to a self-described Bisexual straight male. In another forum that we both participate in, there was a minor kerfuffle over this issue. And given another opportunity to make his case (in the previous forum there were idiots who agreed with this articles conclusion) he dictated his perspective to me. Over the phone. From the other site of the country. Aren't I just a giving soul anyhow...Kharis' perpective lovers' take on the matter:

Whatever the researchers might argue, I'm quite certain men can be bisexual. I learned this from the only teacher I trust, personal experience. One night, I went drinking in a gay bar. Five beers found me nestled in a guys lap, nuzzling his goatee. Three beers later, a trio of sporty femmes swaggered up to the bar. As if compelled by some primitive impulse, I hauled myself to my feet, and joined them. As I brought them a round of drinks, I found myself searching, feverishly, for some line that would get at least one of them into bed with me. The urge to grope them was quite strong and - -indeed, as events proved, irriesitable(sp). Perhaps it was fruit's liscence that kept the manager from tossing me out; or perhaps he, too, understood what it means when a confirmed snail-eater is felled by a sudden craving for oysters. [K's note - -the Snail/Oyster Reference is from the film Spartacus w/ Kurt Douglas]

*Kharis*

 

[Brinnie]

Okay, I allready posted this, so I'm not going to go into details again...


These "studies" only proved genital responce to be territorial.
A male sees another male's cock and gets the idea that "someone else is fucking besides him" and get's a hard on... This has been known in animals for 100'f of years, what's new?


We have a working mind. Mind over body, end of discussion.​

 

[BosozokuX]

Personally, I think that absolutely Straight and absolutely Gay are lies.

Anyway, you go hooper. Thats the most sensable thing Ive ever heard.

Then again we are talking about the NYT. Wernt they the paper that made a big deal out of putting incredibly graphic headlines on the front page? (Headless man found on subway) Also where did they do the survey? I would think if it was conducted in NY you would get a flawed outcome anyway.

Irvine Welsh said something in Trainspotting (the book not the movie) "Youre hetro by default, it just boils down to a matter of who you fancy."