Obama: 'Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei Has Issued Fatwa Against Development of Nuc

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[miles]

That's why their Arab citizens have the right to vote there.

DoucheDownSouth.

 

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[Boxlicker101]

I did, years ago.

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Taqiyya, or "dissimulation", is a controversial concept within the Islamic faith that some argue allows for a Muslim to conceal their faith if they are living in a culture where openly practicing would threaten their or their family's life. This practice is more common to Shia Islam than Sunni Islam largely due to the historical and recent persecution of the Shi'ites...at the hands of the Sunnis.

Muhammad

Muhammad authorized lying to improve the chances of successful assassinations, for example in the case of Shaaban Ibn Khalid al-Hazly and Bin Kaab. In the following Hadith, Muhammad said that it's permissible to lie to an enemy without specifying any conditions. Note that the concept of lying to conceal one's faith if the person's life is in danger as mentioned above also exists.



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"Muhammad said: "Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people (Ahmad, 6.459. H)"
—Muhammad

Requirement

This concept has been seized upon by bigots to suggest that all Muslims are constantly focused on deceiving their neighbors to appear more likable, and then once they've lured you into a false sense of security - *bam* - the old fork in the eye.

The truth of the matter is that the standard for employing Taqiyya is particularly high. For example, during the Spanish Inquisition when Muslims (along with Jews) were tortured by the Grand Inquisitor Torquemada, it would have been permissible for a Muslim to claim to convert to Christianity to avoid torture and death for himself and his family, while continuing to practice his faith in secret. Torquemada rarely fell for such deception, however, and despite the pleas of the accused, the torture would continue. Face it, you can't Torquemada anything.

Note that some Muslim apologists, including some Imams, do use factually incorrect statements (*not* Taqiyya) to advance or defend their faith in a manner similar to Lying for Jesus.

Controversy

The concept is controversial within Islam mainly because it suggests that Muslims should fear the wrath of man more than the wrath of God, whereas the Qur'an teaches that death in the service of one's faith (as in the case of refusing to renounce one's faith even when faced with death) is a highly honorable act, and practically guarantees one's entry into Paradise. Muslim theology generally makes strong distinctions between acts that are forbidden, acceptable, and praiseworthy, so while dying in the service of Islam may be seen as praiseworthy, invoking taqiyya to avoid death could be seen as falling under the "acceptable" category.

Outside of the Muslim community, taqiyya is frequently cited by Islamophobes as evidence that Muslims who aren't extremists are merely lying about their theology. This is an example of Morton's fork - if they display extremist beliefs, then they're obviously extremists, where if they reject extremist beliefs, they're just lying to get you to trust them. As such, any statement - or even actions - by Muslims that is not in line with the idea that all Muslims are murderous fanatics can be safely discarded.

I'm glad to see you have changed your mind and now agree with my Post #3.

 

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[KingOrfeo]

Some times you have to hit KO between the eyes with a 2x4 to get your point to sink in.

This concept has been seized upon by bigots to suggest that all Muslims are constantly focused on deceiving their neighbors to appear more likable, and then once they've lured you into a false sense of security - *bam* - the old fork in the eye.

The truth of the matter is that the standard for employing Taqiyya is particularly high. For example, during the Spanish Inquisition when Muslims (along with Jews) were tortured by the Grand Inquisitor Torquemada, it would have been permissible for a Muslim to claim to convert to Christianity to avoid torture and death for himself and his family, while continuing to practice his faith in secret. Torquemada rarely fell for such deception, however, and despite the pleas of the accused, the torture would continue. Face it, you can't Torquemada anything.

Outside of the Muslim community, taqiyya is frequently cited by Islamophobes as evidence that Muslims who aren't extremists are merely lying about their theology. This is an example of Morton's fork - if they display extremist beliefs, then they're obviously extremists, where if they reject extremist beliefs, they're just lying to get you to trust them. As such, any statement - or even actions - by Muslims that is not in line with the idea that all Muslims are murderous fanatics can be safely discarded.

 

[Boxlicker101]

My understanding is less than half live under Israeli law. Most live in Jordan and elsewhere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people

I think a plurality probably lives in the Gaza Strip, although I am not sure of that. In any event, Palestinian citizens of Israeli vote, if they choose to do so and even elect a substantial number of the members of parliament: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset

 

[KingOrfeo]

Compare Lying for Jesus.

 

[Boxlicker101]

This concept has been seized upon by bigots to suggest that all Muslims are constantly focused on deceiving their neighbors to appear more likable, and then once they've lured you into a false sense of security - *bam* - the old fork in the eye.

The truth of the matter is that the standard for employing Taqiyya is particularly high. For example, during the Spanish Inquisition when Muslims (along with Jews) were tortured by the Grand Inquisitor Torquemada, it would have been permissible for a Muslim to claim to convert to Christianity to avoid torture and death for himself and his family, while continuing to practice his faith in secret. Torquemada rarely fell for such deception, however, and despite the pleas of the accused, the torture would continue. Face it, you can't Torquemada anything.

Outside of the Muslim community, taqiyya is frequently cited by Islamophobes as evidence that Muslims who aren't extremists are merely lying about their theology. This is an example of Morton's fork - if they display extremist beliefs, then they're obviously extremists, where if they reject extremist beliefs, they're just lying to get you to trust them. As such, any statement - or even actions - by Muslims that is not in line with the idea that all Muslims are murderous fanatics can be safely discarded.

But it's not a false concept:

http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war

 

[Que]

It hardly ever happens...

Uh, just for a very common, current example, take during the Spanish inquisition...

LAUGH OUT LOUD.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Iran agrees to framework of nuclear deal.

According to European officials, roughly 5,000 centrifuges will remain spinning enriched uranium at the main nuclear site at Natanz, about half the number currently running. The giant underground enrichment site at Fordo — which Israeli and some American officials fear is impervious to bombing — will be partly converted to advanced nuclear research and the production of medical isotopes. Foreign scientists will be present. There will be no fissile material present that could be used to make a bomb.

A major reactor at Arak, which officials feared could produce plutonium, would operate on a limited basis that would not provide enough fuel for a bomb.

In return, the European Union and the United States would begin to lift sanctions, as Iran complied. At a news conference after the announcement, Mr. Zarif said that essentially all sanctions would be lifted after the final agreement is signed.

Conservatives freak out.

 

[KingOrfeo]

It hardly ever happens...

Uh, just for a very common, current example, take during the Spanish inquisition...

LAUGH OUT LOUD.

Laugh out loud, indeed.