Oh, good god!

[cloudy]

Re: My Best-Friend has a rather large bottom

We all try to avaoid labels but stil we sometimes even label ourselves a bit.

Kim: my mothers friend as I grew up , would yell at people she wasn't chinese. She was Korean. When trying to explain who she was talking about mom would say korean kim , because we knew so many kims at the time(it was even my mom's name), and kim's last names was impossible for us to prononce.

Kimberly: the girl I went to school with who was picked on for being "mixed", black father , white mother, comfortably describes her self as bi-racial. I always think what a wonderful mix of both she is, with dark long hair and lightest cramed coffee skin.I envied her.

it gets more labeley than that . My best friend is "Anne with the butt". We have all heard her described that way. And a few times to make someone aware of who I mean, I have had to meantion her butt. Truth be known it is her most memorable feature in conversation. Anne's the one with the auburn hair, ok she's the tall one, um you know anne real pretty girl, drives a white caddilac, Ok skinny all over but has the big butt, oh you know who I'm talking about now.
Weird thing is she doen't mind a bit being known as the girl with the butt.

I guess the important thing is a label we're comfortable with.
Nymphy

Yes!

I call myself "injun" and have several friends that do the same thing. There is no intent to hurt, whatsoever.

However, that same word coming from my husband is meant totally differently, and I KNOW that.

That's where the problem comes from.

 

[curious2c]

Heh...one time I had a friend over for dinner on one of the holidays. I had talked about him several times with my wife and she wanted to meet him. When he came in, my wife stood there open mouthed and unable to speak.

I was wondering why.

He said,"I have this effect with people whom have never met me buth heard about me."

I was still lost...so I took the wife into another room and asked her what the problem was.

"He's...black."

"Oh...didn't I mention that? Well, honey, my friend happens to be black."


We got over that first bit of uncomfortableness...and as the evening wound down he had won her over quite well. She was still a bit upset about her reaction...but we (my friend andI) had found it amusing.

 

[Amy Sweet]

Re: My Best-Friend has a rather large bottom

We all try to avaoid labels but stil we sometimes even label ourselves a bit.

Kim: my mothers friend as I grew up , would yell at people she wasn't chinese. She was Korean. When trying to explain who she was talking about mom would say korean kim , because we knew so many kims at the time(it was even my mom's name), and kim's last names was impossible for us to prononce.

Kimberly: the girl I went to school with who was picked on for being "mixed", black father , white mother, comfortably describes her self as bi-racial. I always think what a wonderful mix of both she is, with dark long hair and lightest cramed coffee skin.I envied her.

it gets more labeley than that . My best friend is "Anne with the butt". We have all heard her described that way. And a few times to make someone aware of who I mean, I have had to meantion her butt. Truth be known it is her most memorable feature in conversation. Anne's the one with the auburn hair, ok she's the tall one, um you know anne real pretty girl, drives a white caddilac, Ok skinny all over but has the big butt, oh you know who I'm talking about now.
Weird thing is she doen't mind a bit being known as the girl with the butt.

I guess the important thing is a label we're comfortable with.
Nymphy

Very good points all, Nymphy.

Btw- this seems as good a place as any for my big announcement.

I am an aunty!!!

My sister just had a mixed race little boy about a week ago. I haven't seen him yet, bc she lives far away, but she says he's beautiful and looks like our dad. (come to think of it, the baby is at least 3 races.)

I think it's cool. I'm all for the mixing of races!

I don't think, despite what the white power people fear and the racial utopian people hope for, that there will ever be one mixed up race of everybody being everything. I think there will always be variations and different combinations. And there will always be racists and bigets and openminded people and fearful people and tollerant and intollerant people as well. (That last part is a bit unfortunate- but thats' life)

 

[Honey123]

Growing up I had cousins who were a mix ~ I was never embarrassed to be with them. But then someone asked about them and for the first time I got embarrassed and said they were of a spanish and white mix. I felt horrible. They were my blood - I was 15 years old at the time. Old enough to know better? You would think, right? Well, that was the first and last time I ever said that. If anyone asked me after that day, I would look them straight in the eye and say that "they were a mixture of black and white - do you have a problem with that?"

I was able to stand up and face my own tiny racism there for that day. It helped me face a lot of things you would never think possible. But, back to the issue...the sad thing is...what else did you say back then? If there was a mix, and at that time we did not have that political correctiveness of saying African American...you would say black.

There is a difference between people who say or call people negative names and those who mean no harm. It is hard to teach old dogs new tricks, so to speak.

I am Sicilian...so I hear a lot, "Oh, yeah you got that black in you." I normally say, "Yeah, I do and I wear it well."

 

[Amy Sweet]

Re: Re: My Best-Friend has a rather large bottom

Yes!

I call myself "injun" and have several friends that do the same thing. There is no intent to hurt, whatsoever.

However, that same word coming from my husband is meant totally differently, and I KNOW that.

That's where the problem comes from.

Sorry that your husband is... well, you know.

Yeah, I do know what you mean. Words truly do mean different things coming from different people.

And I would *never* call you squaw. That would be quite idiotic.

BTW, when I logged on, I went over to messanger (as snpetite) to see if you (cloudy) were hangin out (you weren't) and people kept IMing me. I had to log off, lol. There must be a zillion people on yahoo!

 

[Amy Sweet]

Cloudy,

I almost started a similer thread the other day. This idiotic guy IMed me on messanger.

You single?

No.

You white?

That's an odd quetion.

Why?

Well for one, I'm not single so what difference would that make.

Just curios.



Right, just curious. Later he tells me that he only dates white girls who've never dated black men and who never would. Supposedly he's European and tells me that in Europe other you don't date blacks. Other races are fine, but black is just low. I was like, I don't even want to talk to you any more, bye.

Oh, and he said he was Greek, but he looked Indian. (from India) He didn't look white at all. I was like "you aren't white" and he said "I'm tan"

He said worse things that he seemed to think were perfectly normal things to say, but I won't repeat them here. Oh yeah, and he was a grad student (or so he claimed) at MSU. I told him my views and he just calmly told me that I was wrong.

Now that's an ass.

 

[curious2c]

I have heard conversations started with...
"Well, you know they are all like...."

When I hear that it really gets to me deep down. Talk about racisim...lumping people together in a large quasi racial group like there are no individuals at all seems just wrong for all reasons.

 

[cloudy]

It's all a matter of thinking that the darker the person, the lower they are, and it's just wrong, no matter how you look at it.

I tried to explain it once to my husband like this:

He has blue eyes, mine are hazel. My eyes are darker than his. So, since we're going on such a superficial thing as skin color, why not take it a step further, and use eye color? So, since my eyes are darker, does that make me less of a person?

He said, "Of course not"

Me: "It's the same thing."

He never did get it...never will.

 

[Rhys]

I was over on the GB - wait! I have an excuse, I was trying to kidnap Rumi....



Will it ever stop?

Don't go over there. You don't have a strong enough shark cage.

 

[cloudy]

Re: Re: Oh, good god!

Don't go over there. You don't have a strong enough shark cage.

I have something better than a shark cage: a personal dragon.

 

[Amy Sweet]

It's all a matter of thinking that the darker the person, the lower they are, and it's just wrong, no matter how you look at it.

I tried to explain it once to my husband like this:

He has blue eyes, mine are hazel. My eyes are darker than his. So, since we're going on such a superficial thing as skin color, why not take it a step further, and use eye color? So, since my eyes are darker, does that make me less of a person?

He said, "Of course not"

Me: "It's the same thing."

He never did get it...never will.

Your hubby thinks he's better than you because he's lighter skinned?

 

[NoJo]

Your hubby thinks he's better than you because he's lighter skinned?

I'm sure he's better at hiding in the snow...

 

[cloudy]

Your hubby thinks he's better than you because he's lighter skinned?

I'm a 'breed, don't ya know.

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: Re: Oh, good god!

I have something better than a shark cage: a personal dragon.

How do you fit one of those in your pocket? Do they eat much? Singe the children? Do they crash as much as a personal computer?

 

[Rhys]

Re: Re: Re: Oh, good god!

I have something better than a shark cage: a personal dragon.

Trust me, when I say, I have one of those too. Dragons, are effective against everyone except the certifiably insane. Sadly, my dragon gets indigestion from crunching on the crazies.

 

[cloudy]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Oh, good god!

How do you fit one of those in your pocket? Do they eat much? Singe the children? Do they crash as much as a personal computer?

No, babe, all I have to do is call.

see my AV?

 

[cloudy]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Oh, good god!

Trust me, when I say, I have one of those too. Dragons, are effective against everyone except the certifiably insane. Sadly, my dragon gets indigestion from crunching on the crazies.

Yeah, didn't think about that.

 

[Amy Sweet]

I'm a 'breed, don't ya know.

Well, if he's better than you (which I doubt) because his skin tone is lighter, then he needs to *worship* me. I'm practically albino. There's no way he's lighter than me unless he's clear.

 

[Guest]

 

[NoJo]

I like to think of myself as a cross between a Great Dane and a chihuahua. Huge body, tiny dick. Boy you should meet my brother.

 

[cloudy]

Aren't we ALL basically mutts anyway?

Yes....most of us here in the states, anyway.

 

[Guest]

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I don't understand. I admit to being Polish and English and Jewish. Why is that different from saying that I'm Chinese and Black and Hispanic or whatever?

It seems like a valid questioon to me, and not offensive in the least.

---dr.M.

 

[cloudy]

I don't understand. I admit to being Polish and English and Jewish. Why is that different from saying that I'm Chinese and Black and Hispanic or whatever?

It seems like a valid questioon to me, and not offensive in the least.

---dr.M.

Doc, I don't think the original poster was asking about specific races, or origins, but what someone is called if they are a mix of two or more.

What bothered me was the answers that some gave such as "octoroon" or "half-breed." Those are patently offensive.

 

[Amy Sweet]

Doc, I don't think the original poster was asking about specific races, or origins, but what someone is called if they are a mix of two or more.

What bothered me was the answers that some gave such as "octoroon" or "half-breed." Those are patently offensive.

I alwasy thought that half-breed was a derogatory term for someone who was mixed, but I just read that it was used for "Indians" along with "redskin" and "injun" and has really nothing to do with being mixed blood at all.

I guess it's irrelevant, considering I'd never use the term myself, but it's just one of those weird bits of information.

I don't know if "octoroon" is considered offensive by *everybody* I know that a lot of poeple consider "high yellow" to be offensive, but I knew a girl who used to say, "I'm what they used to call, high yellow" and I've heard people around here say "Light skinned girls are stuck up, but they can't help it, it's just the way they are" or things to that effect. Black people have more division amoung themselves as to all this "octaroon" "red-bone" "high yellow" and everything else. (Not that that makes it right) That is where I learned all of that from. Most white people just think 'black' and the most specific they get after that is "mullato" which admittedly, I haven't heard used in a while. People in my parts usually just say "mixed" and there is nothing generally very derogatory by it.

I live in a very integrated neighborhood in one of the most integrated cities in the US. (Detroit I hear is the most segregated) My neigbors are from Hatie, Mexico, Africa (literally not just 'african-american'), Cuba, Korea, Iraq, India and just about everywhere else. And I love it. It's the thing I would really miss if I moved from here. (besides specific people) Mixed race couples are practically the rule around here, rather than the exception. Black and white, Black and Mexican, Mexican and American Indian...

Come to think of it, my neiborhood isn't just ratially diverse, it's like a foreign exchange program!!