Ok, this is getting ridiculous

[Liar]

So, any patient, in order to get medical treatment, will have to pass through the filter of first the doctor's ethic and religious standards, then the standards of whatever specialist the patient is referred to, and finally the standards of the pharmaceut? What if those standards are in conflict? Aren't there rules about this to follow? Aren't there conditions to get a drugstore licence?

Does the legal system work the same way? Can a prison warden refuse to lock up a convicted felon, because he have personal ethical objections? Can a construction worker or architect ignore safety regulations, because their religion tells them to?

Something reeks.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

My slave once wanted to get her ovaries removed, but the doctor refused because of religious principles. She says that the next time she goes to the doctor for an ovarian cyst, she will NOT go to a Catholic doctor.

 

[Liar]

My slave once wanted to get her ovaries removed, but the doctor refused because of religious principles. She says that the next time she goes to the doctor for an ovarian cyst, she will NOT go to a Catholic doctor.

I always have to stop and remind myself of what site I'm on when I read things like that tossed in in an everyday conversation.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Hey, it's IN my signature that I'm a "BENEVOLENT MASTER".

 

[Liar]

Hey, it's IN my signature that I'm a "BENEVOLENT MASTER".

I'm a Benevolent Mister myself. Pleasedtomeetcha.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Same here, my good fellow.

 

[Lisa Denton]

I love the way this thread has wandered.

Quit tryin to change the subject Cant (huh)

Anywho, where was we, oh yea. The freakin pharmacist (say that 3 times fast) has no right to question why someone needs a medication. Does the freakin pharmacist refuse to sell condoms? Just exactly what all this woman volunteered and what all he asked her may have been if not illegal, downright an invasion of privacy and none of his or her business.

Pharmacists who refuse to sell morning after pills to rape victims shouldn't have a sign on thier door, it should be nailed to thier forehead. This pharmacist should quit dispensing medications based on his/her religious or moral principles, it may be allowed, but doctors and patients should know who the political pill pushing pricks are, and who the reputable pharmacists are who respect privacy and DISPENSE MEDICATIONS.

After Colly lets the air outta the tires I'm gonna key that pharmacist's car.

 

[Samandiriel]

Quit tryin to change the subject Cant (huh)

Anywho, where was we, oh yea. The freakin pharmacist (say that 3 times fast) has no right to question why someone needs a medication. Does the freakin pharmacist refuse to sell condoms? Just exactly what all this woman volunteered and what all he asked her may have been if not illegal, downright an invasion of privacy and none of his or her business.

Pharmacists who refuse to sell morning after pills to rape victims shouldn't have a sign on thier door, it should be nailed to thier forehead. This pharmacist should quit dispensing medications based on his/her religious or moral principles, it may be allowed, but doctors and patients should know who the political pill pushing pricks are, and who the reputable pharmacists are who respect privacy and DISPENSE MEDICATIONS.

After Colly lets the air outta the tires I'm gonna key that pharmacist's car.

I'll dump sugar in his gas tank.

 

[LadyJeanne]

here's a side of the issue not mentioned so far; today's paper:

New rules on pill privacy
Dec. 16, 2005. 04:44 AM
ELAINE CAREY
HEALTH REPORTER


Deb Saltmarche, vice-president of policy for the pharmacists' association, said the "continuity of care" issue would only arise if the pharmacist believed the patient may be using this product too frequently."

Does the pharmacist get to decide if a patient is using Viagra too frequently??

 

[Samandiriel]

Does the pharmacist get to decide if a patient is using Viagra too frequently??

Touche'.

 

[LadyAria]

Why didn't the hospital give the morning after pill to her? If your raped, generally it is offered now as a part of the exam/hosptial visit. It is free too.

 

[Tom Collins]

After Colly lets the air outta the tires I'm gonna key that pharmacist's car.

I'll dump sugar in his gas tank.

And I'll stuff fish under the seats.

 

[SummerMorning]

Your country is truly exotic.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I agree, actually. Beneath my facetiousness, I think the signage a very clever resolution of the difficulty.

Some places should indeed be TheoCon Pharmacies. It is not such a crime to wish to draw moral lines. Medicine is not a moral vacuum by its nature, any more than any other endeavor. But if you want a fuckin condom, you'd appreciate a sign on the door to keep you from wasting your time. Same with a morning-after pill, or a wirehead harness, when they become available. People who have a moral objection to these things, however few they may be, shouldn't have to throw away their hard-won credential and leave pharmacy for burger-flipping. Neither should a woman have to canvass the moral temperature of every pharmacy in Arizona in order to fill a legitimate prescription.

Let the prigs label themselves, right on the damn door.

I disagree. If you have a moral stane against addition, you don't become an accountant. Your job is to work with figures. Similarly, if you have a moral stance against filling a perscription, you don't need to be a Pharmacist. That's their job.

If a liscened doctor has written me a script, I expect a pharmacist to fill it. Be it for Ambien, a psycotropic or birth control. I go see a shrink for psycotropics, because he is certified to give scripts for them. He and I discuss the drug, it's properties and if it is right for me. He is trained to do that. And I pay good money to se him for his expertese.

By what right does a pharmacist, not trained in mental illness or any of the attendant drugs refuse me? It would be different, if I could just get the drugs anywhere, but I can't, I have to go to a pharmacy. There ain't but one in my town. Why then should I have to drive over to stony point or over to vail's gate to fill a legally written script by a liscensced doctor?

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Does the pharmacist get to decide if a patient is using Viagra too frequently??

Ofcourse not! That's a MAN's drug, intended for making sure that he can fertilize his breeding animal... I mean, wife!

No-one would deny a man his right to sex.

 

[BlackSnake]

Ofcourse not! That's a MAN's drug, intended for making sure that he can fertilize his breeding animal... I mean, wife!

No-one would deny a man his right to sex.

Why you hate on men so much?

I believe that a woman should have complete control over her own body. No one should have the right to dictate to her how she use or abuse it.

 

[Pure]

that is, perhaps, a 'correct' position, but it's at variance with the US Supreme Ct. in Roe v. Wade.

 

[Pure]

good morning colly,

I happen to agree with you about pharmacists' alleged 'right of conscience' (regarding standard approved drugs).

However, what say you about the issue that preceded this one, on which this one is piggybacked:

Consider a gynecologist, certified, including for surgery, all standard OBGYN surgical procedures. A pregant woman, fully informed and having thought over her options, turns up at his/her office after a proper referral, pays for an examination (establishing the woman as the dr's patient), and then asks for a D&C at his/her earliest convenience. Does a dr. have a right to refuse? Suppose s/he is the only qualified surgeon (of that type) in the area?

It's alleged that dr's. have this and other similar 'rights of conscience'--agree or disagree?

 

[LadyJeanne]

I happen to agree with you about pharmacists' alleged 'right of conscience' (regarding standard approved drugs).

However, what say you about the issue that preceded this one, on which this one is piggybacked:

Consider a gynecologist, certified, including for surgery, all standard OBGYN surgical procedures. A pregant woman, fully informed and having thought over her options, turns up at his/her office after a proper referral, pays for an examination (establishing the woman as the dr's patient), and then asks for a D&C at his/her earliest convenience. Does a dr. have a right to refuse? Suppose s/he is the only qualified surgeon (of that type) in the area?

It's alleged that dr's. have this and other similar 'rights of conscience'--agree or disagree?

I disagree. Doctor's should provide all medical care that is legal.

 

[Just-Legal]

There have actually been rare cases where the pharmacist *has* known better than the Dr... The case of certain anti-depressants and suicide in young adults in the UK was actually known about by pharmacists *before* doctors, because certain pharmaceutical agents were *telling* the pharmacists. My dad was one of them, he worked for one of the companies involved, did a little checking and was horrified. (That was also the reason he flushed my prescription and took me to the therapist. )

But when it comes down to the *moral* objections, thats something completely different. There have been cases of this in the UK too, which worries me even more, although stories of this are only coming from certain sources, which makes me wonder about their validity, as they usually start "Muslim pharmacist..."

*shakes head*

 

[zeb1094]

Here in Chicago several Walgreen's pharmacists have been suspended without pay for not filling prescriptions. It is corporate policy to fill all legal prescriptions for all customers.

 

[JamesSD]

A San Diego County fertility clinic turns down a lesbian couple's request for artificial insemination not, the doctors say, because of their sexual orientation, but because they're not married. But gay marriage is illegal in California.

This is my girlfriend's gyno! Well, soon to be former gyno. Their asses are being sued by the couple, largely because they took money for doing fertility treatments but then just kept pushing back doing the actual fertilization.

 

[R. Richard]

Consider a gynecologist, certified, including for surgery, all standard OBGYN surgical procedures. A pregant woman, fully informed and having thought over her options, turns up at his/her office after a proper referral, pays for an examination (establishing the woman as the dr's patient), and then asks for a D&C at his/her earliest convenience. Does a dr. have a right to refuse? Suppose s/he is the only qualified surgeon (of that type) in the area?

It's alleged that dr's. have this and other similar 'rights of conscience'--agree or disagree?

In the example you cite, it may not be a matter of conscience. In some areas, the performance of said D&C may be equivalent to the doctor committing suicide. The "right to life" people are concerned with unborn children, but they have no consideration at all for law abiding adults.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I happen to agree with you about pharmacists' alleged 'right of conscience' (regarding standard approved drugs).

However, what say you about the issue that preceded this one, on which this one is piggybacked:

Consider a gynecologist, certified, including for surgery, all standard OBGYN surgical procedures. A pregant woman, fully informed and having thought over her options, turns up at his/her office after a proper referral, pays for an examination (establishing the woman as the dr's patient), and then asks for a D&C at his/her earliest convenience. Does a dr. have a right to refuse? Suppose s/he is the only qualified surgeon (of that type) in the area?

It's alleged that dr's. have this and other similar 'rights of conscience'--agree or disagree?

A doctor, I think, has a right to say I don't perform that particular proceedure. I think any doctor who does refuse, either because of moral standards or for reasons involving insurance or even the moral stance of the majority of his patients. I think any doctor who will not perform that particular surgery should be required to refer his patient to someone who does.

A doctor is not requiired to perform any surgery. My own Gp, who was a nose & throat specialist, reffered me when I had surgery on a deviated septum. He didn't refuse to do it because of moral objections, but because I was young and rather petite and he felt this particular surgeon was better suited because he specialized in pediatric proceedures.

 

[matriarch]

NEW YORK-After a 20-year-old Tucson woman is raped, she wastes three days searching for a pharmacy that stocks the "morning after" pill, each day of her search reducing the chances of the drug working. "When she finally did find a pharmacy with it," reports the Arizona Daily Star, "she said she was told the pharmacist on duty would not dispense it because of religious and moral objections."

WTF?
The woman was raped!! This was not the result of any 'wanton behaviour' on the part of the woman. SHE WAS RAPED, for fuck's sake!

Where the hell does the morality of those pharmacists fit in with the trauma, pain, emotional hell of this woman? Who are they to say, that because some brute decided that it was his right to invade her, she has to - possibly - endure a pregnancy, and bear and raise a child that is the result of a RAPE??

Because these 'holier than though' moralists decree that all life is precious, even if the guy is caught, prosecuted and imprisoned (possibly), serves his time and then just moves on from it (to his next victim, maybe), she on the other hand has to live with that horror, and relive it, every single day of her pregnancy, every moment of the birth, every single day that that child is alive, every single time she looks at the child, what's the betting that all she can see is the face, or hear the voice of her rapist.

That kind of relationship will do wonders for the mother/child bonding. Not.

The mother suffers, the child suffers, all because some pharmacist decided to play god.

Any country that doesn't designate and recognise the difference between consenting sexual acts (I'm not judging, its no business of mine what sexual acts take place between other CONSENTING adults), and RAPE, has a very 'confused' idea of what constitutes morality. (I'm choosing my words very carefully here, as a current and temporary guest in this wonderful country. )

Sheesh.