OMFG! Karl Rove is the voice of reason in the new Republican Party

[RightField]

And there's someone who is the voice of reason on the democrat side? Harry Reid? Their mantra is "tax 'em till they die"

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

A RINO is any Republican who respects facts and logic.

This guy says "PICK ONE."


They are all facts and logic and everyone else lies and spins.

 

[firespin]

You are so convinced that in this electoral climate that the state is going to elect a communist.

How badly do you hate conservatives?

Are you in the wrong party?

Bwahaha! 'morning, Frisco.

I'll leave the party-leaving to you, keemosabe. How many are you a "former-" member of now?

It's all about the demographics, DUMMY!!!!

Pelosi has a safe seat. Utah is going to elect a Republican senator. The sun will rise.

Delaware is among the bluest of states, top ten, roughly. Democrats have a 2:1 registration advantage.

She just ran two years ago. She's going to get 150,000 votes or something, and lose by 50,000+. To a communist.

Happy now?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I'm a former Democrat. Period.


I don't think you're very good at handicapping.

The people, as you so patiently pointed out in your hysterics over handing the seat to a Marxist, will get a clear choice between the two philosophies of government. I'm, at this point not so sure that even a Blue State, in this economic environment (it's the economy, stupid!) is going to be in a rush to send a Marxist to the Senate for another helping of "equality" and "fairness."

Besides, it takes 60 seats to make a difference and that will require more than one election cycle.

 

[firespin]

I'm a former Democrat. Period.


I don't think you're very good at handicapping.

The people, as you so patiently pointed out in your hysterics over handing the seat to a Marxist, will get a clear choice between the two philosophies of government. I'm, at this point not so sure that even a Blue State, in this economic environment (it's the economy, stupid!) is going to be in a rush to send a Marxist to the Senate for another helping of "equality" and "fairness."

Besides, it takes 60 seats to make a difference and that will require more than one election cycle.

So you're thinking that New Castle county Democrats are going to vote for O'Donnell? Good luck with that. He got as many votes from that one county in 2004 as she did statewide in 2008. Oopsie.

But since I'm so bad at handicapping, you should be able to cite lots of evidence that O'Donnell will win, right? Forecasts, polls...anything? Whacha got? Besides that tingling sensation.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I actually don't know.

I do know this. In the year you keep pointing to as your crystal ball, Democrats were energized and Republicans were not other than those who supported Palin.

This year, the opposite is true. Maybe you RINO types who supported Castle with such fervor in the hopes of a 51st seat (like Scott Brown, who I said at the time was not a conservative and would not stop health care) still have a thing or two to learn about picking winners...

I do know this. It will not be the blow-out of two years ago. The people of Delaware WILL have a clear choice between an advocate of an Obama-style economy or a Reagan-style economy advocate. The state went for Reagan both times.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

How far behind Castle did O'Donnell start from, and how vicious was the campaign against her and who won?

 

[WriterDom]

Things must be desperate when liberals are giddy about holding on to a seat in Delaware. Can't blame them after losing the JFK/Teddy seat last cycle.

2012 will be fun with only 10 republican senators up for reelection.

 

[JohnnySavage]

I actually don't know.

I do know this. In the year you keep pointing to as your crystal ball, Democrats were energized and Republicans were not other than those who supported Palin.

This year, the opposite is true. Maybe you RINO types who supported Castle with such fervor in the hopes of a 51st seat (like Scott Brown, who I said at the time was not a conservative and would not stop health care) still have a thing or two to learn about picking winners...

I do know this. It will not be the blow-out of two years ago. The people of Delaware WILL have a clear choice between an advocate of an Obama-style economy or a Reagan-style economy advocate. The state went for Reagan both times.

She strikes me as a caricature of what's wrong with modern conservationism: If you want someone who wants less spending, you have to take someone who worries about who's touching who's secret places.

 

[firespin]

The state went for Reagan both times.

Well, c'mon. What state didn't? Delaware voted 47% Reagan to 45% Carter in 1980 btw.

Going to the tape for more recent elections:

Gore 55%, Bush 42%.

Kerry 53%, Bush 46%

Obama 62%, McCain 37%.

I'm not seeing a big wingnut electoral base here.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Here's something that will probably wad your thong, strategically, it would probably be best for the Republicans NOT to pick up the 51st Senate seat. With the House a foregone conclusion, there's no reason to give Obama something he can rail at and blame as what ails America in order to enhance his own standing and rally his base.

A two-year long debate should produce a much better President and Congress than the ones we will have after this election.
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In strategy, it is important to keep a near view of distanced things and a distanced view of near things.
Miyamoto Musashi

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Well, c'mon. What state didn't? Delaware voted 47% Reagan to 45% Carter in 1980 btw.

Going to the tape for more recent elections:

Gore 55%, Bush 42%.

Kerry 53%, Bush 46%

Obama 62%, McCain 37%.

I'm not seeing a big wingnut electoral base here.

You are even beginning to sound like our fellow Democratic Litizens.

There isn't going to be any firm polling data on the Thursday morning after a Tuesday Night result, now is there?

 

[firespin]

How far behind Castle did O'Donnell start from, and how vicious was the campaign against her and who won?

She got 30,500 votes in the primary, 3,500 more than Castle.

Biden won in 2008 with 250,000 votes.

Oopsie.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

She strikes me as a caricature of what's wrong with modern conservationism: If you want someone who wants less spending, you have to take someone who worries about who's touching who's secret places.

As opposed to who's evading their taxes while raising ours?

 

[firespin]

You are even beginning to sound like our fellow Democratic Litizens.

There isn't going to be any firm polling data on the Thursday morning after a Tuesday Night result, now is there?

You're thinking they didn't poll people before Tuesday?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

She got 30,500 votes in the primary, 3,500 more than Castle.

Biden won in 2008 with 250,000 votes.

Oopsie.

Again, you compare two distinctly different campaign season, one in which Obama was a huge draw and the huge coattails of potential along with the historical nature of his candidacy, and wasn't Biden on his ticket?



This is NOT a presidential year, Biden is NOT the incumbent, and Obama is NOT overwhelmingly popular or any reason to get out the vote. In fact, he suppresses the vote and motivates independents to fire Democrats.

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"In this world, there is no heavier burden than a great potential!"
Linus Van Pelt

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

You're thinking they didn't poll people before Tuesday?

Yes, but on Tuesday, Castle was still going to win and people did not believe in THAT woman.

She'll get a bump from the win.

Street cred for taking down part of the hated ol' boys network.

Same thing happened for Sarah.
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In strategy, it is important to keep a near view of distanced things and a distanced view of near things.
Miyamoto Musashi

 

[overthebow]

Again, you compare two distinctly different campaign season, one in which Obama was a huge draw and the huge coattails of potential along with the historical nature of his candidacy, and wasn't Biden on his ticket?



This is NOT a presidential year, Biden is NOT the incumbent, and Obama is NOT overwhelmingly popular or any reason to get out the vote. In fact, he suppresses the vote and motivates independents to fire Democrats.

This so fucking funny. You are spinning like a weathervane in a hurricane.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Here's something that will probably wad your thong, strategically, it would probably be best for the Republicans NOT to pick up the 51st Senate seat. With the House a foregone conclusion, there's no reason to give Obama something he can rail at and blame as what ails America in order to enhance his own standing and rally his base.

A two-year long debate should produce a much better President and Congress than the ones we will have after this election.
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In strategy, it is important to keep a near view of distanced things and a distanced view of near things.
Miyamoto Musashi

You need to think about this. Careful what you wish for, beware if she wins...

Obama's best when he can pass the buck.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

This so fucking funny. You are spinning like a weathervane in a hurricane.

Indeed. Two weeks ago or so, you were calmly assuring me that the House was safe for Democrats based on, was it Charlie Cook?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

This one goes out to ol' firespin...

*snicker* *snicker*

TEE HEE © Biddybuddy circa 2001

Frightening as the image might be to ponder, "the architect" Karl Rove was stripped bare for all to see on Fox News' Hannity show Tuesday night, thanks to his odd response to Christine O'Donnell's win in Delaware.

Rove demonstrated to all what I have believed since 2000: that he is a political operative with little or no evidence of a philosophical soul. Voters -- equally soulless in his mind -- are mere commodities to deal with, and precincts are the way these commodities are organized. They are to be bought and sold with the micromanaging of a trade deal here or a pro-life direct mail piece there -- orchestrated by the ruling elitists in Washington.

One gets the feeling that he could have worked equally as happily for a Democrat simply by changing a few words on certain ads to certain districts.

Consider:

When Bush was in office, Rove predictably started out on a plan to form what he called "a permanent Republican majority" that would be constructed with a mushy new tone, a "can't we all just get along" mentality. The strategy would dictate that no one would ever return fire on political opponents -- while having a "flexible philosophy" to which Rove would adapt policy as issues came and went in certain parts of the country.

There was by design no coherent message of constitutional conservatism, which is what most of Bush's voters thought they were voting for. Gee, what could possibly go wrong?

How and why Rove thought this could possibly work is beyond me. What he thought it would accomplish -- even if it were possible -- is an even more salient question. It could not work, and it did not work.

So I have to ask:

What the will a Senate majority full of Olympia Snowes and John McCains and Lindsey Grahams get you? Easy. Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid in power. This is exactly the legacy of the Bush presidency --and Rove was right there at the levers of power the entire way.

Truth be told, Rove's biggest architectural accomplishment is the Obama administration. By doing his part as senior advisor to the president to define conservatism down, he sullied the reputation and disoriented the understanding of what it means to be conservative to millions of half-informed voters nationwide.

C. Edmund Wright
The American Thinker

Who dat say we're all in lockstep?

WHO DAT???

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

No wonder overthebow want to make smootchies with the guy...

 

[hogjack]

Mr. Karl Rove is one of the best chickenhawks to ever influence military & foreign policy.

A bad ticker would make him PERFECT. Alas, no.

Nevertheless, leave the man aloneand admire his willingness to guide the country with his words.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

The problem is, Rove's aptitude for dissecting the nation precinct by precinct was confused by many as overall political and philosophical genius. It is not. It is right brain versus left brain. The case with many people who are advanced in left-brain thinking is that right-brain, big-picture truths often escape them.

The Reagan revolution was built on a right-brained concept of big ideas and big dreams -- and all of them based on our Constitution and the American dream. The same can be said for Newt Gingrich's Contract with America election of 1994. No one worried about ginning up certain precincts here and there with flexible philosophies because there was a wave of consistent philosophical truth that made renting individual precincts irrelevant.

 

[MeeMie]

These nut jobs that only appeal to the extreme rightwing of the GOP can win primaries, but won't win elections.

Scott Brown.

The times, they are a changin'