Pence is done.

[Pad_Foot]

They keep saying that the big Orange ads is ahead so when Trump loses they can dismiss the election as fake.

 

[RandyRebecca]

you have to wonder what his endgame was. did he really believe that as we become less of a religious country that his brand of crazy would put him anywhere near the presidency?

I imagine that Pence believed that he could play the "statesman" role, in that he could be counted on by the establishment to "do the right thing", like certifying the 2020 election results, even when Trumpists were demanding that he not certify those results. Pence also has extreme ideas on some social issues, like favoring the illegalization of abortion on nonviable pregnancies, which I imagine he thinks plays well with much of the Republican base, but I'm baffled at how he didn't think this would kill him nationwide. Similarly, Ron DeSantis killed his presidential momentum the moment that he signed that 6-week abortion trigger law in Florida. However it played in Florida, it basically killed DeSantis in a nationwide contest, and allowed Trump to go from the defensive to offensive when it came to DeSantis.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Aborted his campaign after 5 months, well into the second trimester.
What a hypocrite.

 

[RandyRebecca]

The Republican nominee is a done deal. If the election occurred today...Biden would lose. That's the reality people refuse to accept.

Possibly. I see that Trump is beating Biden in the polls among young people by a couple of points (https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...biden-builds-support-among-young-voters-poll/). I think the Democrats should also be very careful about how themselves siding with the law so strongly and publicly against Trump plays with sections of non-white voters who themselves feel persecuted by the law while they also feel the financial pinch under Biden's presidency. I expect Trump to keep playing this up, i.e. that he is being persecuted, and if he were able to get greater numbers of non-whites to vote for him as a result, it upsets the Democrats' plan and long term strategy.

The Democrats seem to be thinking that they can just carry on as they are, with wars abroad and inflation, and cruise next year. It's bizarre complacency. If Trump turns his 2020 electoral strategy on its head, and keeps a relatively low profile by his standards in campaigning in 2024 (like Biden's 2020), it would most likely benefit him. Trump is giving all these Republican debates a miss so far.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

Wait. I con-fuse-ed. He talking old white guys ob the Left or Right???

They're both old, white, and rich. Is there a vast difference?

 

[jaF0]

They're both old, white, and rich. Is there a vast difference?

Joe's a dedicated life long American diplomat.

Donny's a dedicated life long crook and Russian asset.

 

[YDB95]

The Republican nominee is a done deal. If the election occurred today...Biden would lose. That's the reality people refuse to accept.

You're ignoring the fact that, if the election did occur today, the past several months would not have transpired as they did. There'd have been lots of campaigning, ads, debates, etc. Most people don't pay much attention until well into the election year, and as it is that year doesn't even start for another two months.

And your attitude is the reason why Democrats usually lose when it's close. The Republicans always think (or at least tell one another) the country is really on their side and it's just the big bad liberal media holding them back, and they turn out. Democrats are always pessimistic, which depresses turnout, and lo and behold...2000: we won, but it was close enough for the Republicans to steal. 2004: 120,000 votes in Ohio. 2016: 77,000 votes in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

 

[jaF0]

Dateline December 2024

Inmate numbernumbernumber has appeared to have 'won' the election. Challenges are filed based on claims and witness statements and are sufficiently evidenced. The courts act quickly and DO find that there was sufficient fraud and tampering to have swung the vote. (Remember, nearly all, if not all credible cases of voting fraud in 2020 were committed by 'Pubs.)

What happens?

 

[dkovic77]

Dateline December 2024

Inmate numbernumbernumber has appeared to have 'won' the election. Challenges are filed based on claims and witness statements and are sufficiently evidenced. The courts act quickly and DO find that there was sufficient fraud and tampering to have swung the vote. (Remember, nearly all, if not all credible cases of voting fraud in 2020 were committed by 'Pubs.)

What happens?

The small MAGA “minds” don’t look at anything they have done wrong, they look to project that on everyone else. They were trained by the grifter-in-chief himself.

 

[Bn2f]

BabyBoomer50s said:
Pence had foreign policy experience. At a time of high global tension and an incumbent American president in severe cognitive decline, Nikki Haley is now only other candidate in the 2024 field under 60 with international experience. She should emphasize that.

Lovecraft: You notice for all this talk about diversity on the left and the need to change and get more with the times on the right...that the nominees are still old white guys?

They're both old, white, and rich. Is there a vast difference?

Ohhhhhhhhhh. I get it now. Lol I’m kinda slow.
2 days later and after re-re-rereading, the sentencing structure of LC and 1174’s reply finally hits my brain the right way. There’s, to me, still the question if LC meant to tout the diversity of the republican field because there’s really only Biden for the Dems or did he mean it’s concluded that the presidential race is again between the last 2 candidates. But to your question. Yes, despite those similarities, there are still vast differences.