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Word's just in on CNN: it's a hoax. She faked the carving, made up her "attacker".
 
Huckleman2000 said:
Pittsburgh police just confirmed this 'attack' is a hoax.
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*Sigh* Yeah. I figured.

I'm glad they got the truth out fast, hopefully before anyone reacted to this faux "attack" with their own retaliatory attack.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
Word's just in on CNN: it's a hoax. She faked the carving, made up her "attacker".
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On the day that I come up with a hoax involving an attacker, I'm going to try and be original and make him white. Maybe Swedish or something. Just to be different. :rolleyes:
 
Boxlicker101 said:
You may not be completely correct in that. Here is a link from a elated thread:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08298/922564-100.stm?cmpid=latest.xml

If this link is actually a true account, I think it is a scandal that the cops make more fuss about an incorrect report than they do about an armed robbery and sexual assault. :mad:
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Yup, Box.
You go ahead and cling to any hope that this is true and supports your twisted worldview.
Go for it.
Create that bizarro-world, and believe.
Believe in it, Box.
Make it happen.
Then check yourself into someplace with padded walls for the next four years. :rolleyes:
 
Boxlicker101 said:
You may not be completely correct in that. Here is a link from a elated thread:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08298/922564-100.stm?cmpid=latest.xml

If this link is actually a true account, I think it is a scandal that the cops make more fuss about an incorrect report than they do about an armed robbery and sexual assault. :mad:
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I think the only ones who made a "fuss" about this were the press, bloggers and people like us. It seems to me the cops investigated this like they would any alleged assault. The only difference is the scrutiny it was under. Unfortunately, attacks occur every minute of every day. The only difference is that very few are talked about to the extent that this one was.
 
Boxlicker101 said:
If this link is actually a true account, I think it is a scandal that the cops make more fuss about an incorrect report than they do about an armed robbery and sexual assault. :mad:
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From the police press conference. As you'll see, the scandal is that this woman wasted valuable police time that could have been spent on real crimes, serious crimes. Really, Box, you can't have it both ways. You can't be a law and order conservative, wanting the police to focus on real crimes, serious crimes, yet sit there and say the cops were "scandalous" for "fussing" over an false (not merely "incorrect") report that wasted their time.

How can the cops be the bad guys? Your own article proves that there was no evidence for what the girl said happened, and that she kept changing the story. She, herself, finally confessed that it wasn't true. Not any of it. That is a false police report. Not an incorrect one.

Do you really want the police to not "fuss" over such reports? Do you want them to take all such reports at face value and not weed out the true from false? What about when one of those false reports casts you as the culprit? For whatever reason, mental health problems included, she created this report. And I'm very glad the police quickly realized it was suspect and quickly got to the truth. Bad things could have happened if they hadn't.
 
epiphany65 said:
I think the only ones who made a "fuss" about this were the press, bloggers and people like us. It seems to me the cops investigated this like they would any alleged assault. The only difference is the scrutiny it was under. Unfortunately, attacks occur every minute of every day. The only difference is that very few are talked about to the extent that this one was.
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Actually, both John McCain and Sarah Palin placed calls of support to the young woman. A local chairman for the McCain campaign was pushing this story to the press almost before the police report was public. Of course, they're embarrassed and have started back-pedaling now but the McCain camp clearly wanted the story to be true.

Country first, my ass!
 
Thank you, Gil Grissom, for teaching people to follow the evidence. Seriously, I hope she receives the help she needs. I almost feel sorry for McCain; it seems like his followers are doing more phukking up than helping.
 
Chick's a basket case, see this blog with a link to a snapshot of what is thought to be her myspace page.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
I'm really expecting the possibility (or actuality, as it comes down to that) of having a black president to seriously unhinge a certain number of people, who just won't be able to deal with it. It's going to come from both sides.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's rioting if he loses. I wouldn't be surprised if there's rioting if he wins. This is a revolution that's going to make us into a far better country, but it's a revolution nonetheless.
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This is one of the things I'm afraid of. A presidential election shouldn't have the same after-party as a college football game.

The personal attacks (on both sides) have once again outweighed discussion of issues. And it frustrates the hell out of me.

Which reminds me of a discussion I had with a co-worker today. We were talking about the Mass. Ballot initiatives. He said that two of the initiatives were so poorly thought out (one about eliminating state income tax and the other about marijuana) that there was no way they could pass. The simple truth is there is no way they should pass, but they might anyway.
 
3113 said:
From the police press conference. As you'll see, the scandal is that this woman wasted valuable police time that could have been spent on real crimes, serious crimes. Really, Box, you can't have it both ways. You can't be a law and order conservative, wanting the police to focus on real crimes, serious crimes, yet sit there and say the cops were "scandalous" for "fussing" over an false (not merely "incorrect") report that wasted their time.

How can the cops be the bad guys? Your own article proves that there was no evidence for what the girl said happened, and that she kept changing the story. She, herself, finally confessed that it wasn't true. Not any of it. That is a false police report. Not an incorrect one.

Do you really want the police to not "fuss" over such reports? Do you want them to take all such reports at face value and not weed out the true from false? What about when one of those false reports casts you as the culprit? For whatever reason, mental health problems included, she created this report. And I'm very glad the police quickly realized it was suspect and quickly got to the truth. Bad things could have happened if they hadn't.
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For those of you who don't believe in reading before jumping all over somebody, here is the post I responded to, and my response:

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Originally Posted by dr_mabeuse
Word's just in on CNN: it's a hoax. She faked the carving, made up her "attacker".

You may not be completely correct in that. Here is a link from a related thread:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08298...pid=latest.xml

IFthis link is actually a true account, I think it is a scandal that the cops make more fuss about an incorrect report than they do about an armed robbery and sexual assault. (emphasis added)

You will notice, I did say IF. This was the most recent link I had seen and, from what it seemed to say, the woman took a lie detector test, and was found to be lying about the cutting. Nothing was said about the alleged mugging and sexual assault. That is why I said that APPARENTLY that part of her statement had been cleared through a polygraph test. Later, under pressure, she recanted that part also, and said the whole thing had been made up.

As for a mugging and sexual assault, as common as they are, they should still not be shrugged off. Had there actually been such a crime, it ahould have been considered more serious than the embellishment of the details. Since there apparently was no such crime, then lock the lying bitch up.:mad:
 
McCain's PA Communications Director pushed an alarmist version of the story before the investigations was complete, which as far as I'm concerned makes his campaign complicit, whether she's catching butterflies or not.
 
only_more_so said:
The personal attacks (on both sides) have once again outweighed discussion of issues. And it frustrates the hell out of me.
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It frustrates a lot of us. As my husband puts it, "Can we just do what we're supposed to do?" namely, give the candidates a forum to state their positions, then vote. Period.

Alas, there's no escaping campaigning, and it's gotten really nasty over the last 8 years (and that includes what people do to each other within their own parties, never mind between parties).

But you did present, as an example, something that turned out to be false. So I'm not sure how we're supposed to answer the question without real examples. This turned out to be less about an acrimonious/violent reaction of one party against another so much as one not-quite-right girl doing something not-quite right for whatever not-quite-right reasons. Hardly the same as in the last election where people were smashing cars with the wrong bumper sticker.
 
Boxlicker101 said:
You will notice, I did say IF. This was the most recent link I had seen and, from what it seemed to say, the woman took a lie detector test, and was found to be lying about the cutting. Nothing was said about the alleged mugging and sexual assault.
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Um...this is the article that I read, from your link:

Pittsburgh police say a McCain campaign volunteer made up a story of being robbed, pinned to the ground and having the letter "B" scratched on her face in a politically inspired attack.

...Chief Bryant said Ms. Todd admitted today that the story was false. Ms. Todd, who is white, told police she was attacked by a 6-foot-4 black man in Bloomfield Wednesday night. Chief Bryant said Todd can't explain why she invented the story or explain how the backward "B" was scratched onto her face. Ms. Todd had told police the robber carved a "B" on her cheek with a knife when he saw a McCain sticker on her car.

Police said "Ms. Todd indicated that she has had prior mental problems" and she does not remember how the "B" got on her face. "She stated that she thinks she may have done it herself because she was the only one in the car. When she looked in the rearview mirror and saw the "B" on her face she said she thought of Barack Obama. Once she told her friend the story and once the police were called she had to stick with it."

Ms. Todd, 20, of College Station, Texas, spent more than five hours with robbery detectives last night at police headquarters, giving investigators details that differed from the initial police report after the incident -- including that she was sexually assaulted and lost consciousness during the attack. Because of the inconsistencies, Ms. Todd agreed to take a polygraph test, police said.

Ms. Todd originally said she was robbed after she went to an ATM machine at Pearl Street and Liberty Avenue, but later told police she was accosted as she approached the machine. Police said they had received photos from the Citizens Bank ATM at the location and verified that the victim did not make a transaction around 9 p.m. Wednesday as she had claimed.

Ms. Todd originally said she was robbed at knifepoint. But yesterday she said she was struck from behind and lost consciousness. She originally said the attacker used the knife to carve a backwards "B" on her cheek. But in the later version she said that she awoke after the attack and felt a stinging sensation on her face, and only realized that she had been cut when she went to a friend's apartment and looked in a mirror. She did not tell police initially that she had been assaulted but later said she had been groped during the attack. According to police, her version of the story yesterday was that she said the attacker approached her from behind and demanded money as she went to the ATM machine around 9 p.m. Wednesday. She pushed him away and ran to her car; then she was struck on the head from behind. Ms. Todd told police she then fell to the ground, landing on her back. Her attacker then climbed on top of her and hit her face. He then reached under her shirt and fondled her breast.

Ms. Todd also said she passed out during the attack. When she regained consciousness, she got in her car and drove to a friend's house nearby and called police. She also was missing $60, although she doesn't remember giving her attacker any money. On Wednesday night -- immediately after the incident -- Ms. Todd had told police the robber became agitated when he saw a McCain sticker on her car. He then punched her in the back of the head, pushed her to the ground and carved the letter into her face.
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What article did YOU read? Because in this article they state right at the beginning that she confessed to lying about EVERYTHING. Not just about the cutting. It was inconsistencies about many things, according to the article, that led to the polygraph test, including the fact that there was no video of her at the ATM.

This is why we came down on you like a ton of bricks. Sorry if you read a very different article, but this was the one you linked us to. And what you say makes no sense at all given this article. There is nothing in the article to indicate that the police were upset about only one inconsistency regarding the "B" on her face, or that she might have told the truth about everything but the scratch on her face. Everything was suspect from the beginning. So says that article.
 
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3113 said:
Um...this is the article that I read, from your link:

Quote:
Pittsburgh police say a McCain campaign volunteer made up a story of being robbed, pinned to the ground and having the letter "B" scratched on her face in a politically inspired attack.

...Chief Bryant said Ms. Todd admitted today that the story was false. Ms. Todd, who is white, told police she was attacked by a 6-foot-4 black man in Bloomfield Wednesday night. Chief Bryant said Todd can't explain why she invented the story or explain how the backward "B" was scratched onto her face. Ms. Todd had told police the robber carved a "B" on her cheek with a knife when he saw a McCain sticker on her car.

Police said "Ms. Todd indicated that she has had prior mental problems" and she does not remember how the "B" got on her face. "She stated that she thinks she may have done it herself because she was the only one in the car. When she looked in the rearview mirror and saw the "B" on her face she said she thought of Barack Obama. Once she told her friend the story and once the police were called she had to stick with it."

Ms. Todd, 20, of College Station, Texas, spent more than five hours with robbery detectives last night at police headquarters, giving investigators details that differed from the initial police report after the incident -- including that she was sexually assaulted and lost consciousness during the attack. Because of the inconsistencies, Ms. Todd agreed to take a polygraph test, police said.

Ms. Todd originally said she was robbed after she went to an ATM machine at Pearl Street and Liberty Avenue, but later told police she was accosted as she approached the machine. Police said they had received photos from the Citizens Bank ATM at the location and verified that the victim did not make a transaction around 9 p.m. Wednesday as she had claimed.

Ms. Todd originally said she was robbed at knifepoint. But yesterday she said she was struck from behind and lost consciousness. She originally said the attacker used the knife to carve a backwards "B" on her cheek. But in the later version she said that she awoke after the attack and felt a stinging sensation on her face, and only realized that she had been cut when she went to a friend's apartment and looked in a mirror. She did not tell police initially that she had been assaulted but later said she had been groped during the attack. According to police, her version of the story yesterday was that she said the attacker approached her from behind and demanded money as she went to the ATM machine around 9 p.m. Wednesday. She pushed him away and ran to her car; then she was struck on the head from behind. Ms. Todd told police she then fell to the ground, landing on her back. Her attacker then climbed on top of her and hit her face. He then reached under her shirt and fondled her breast.

Ms. Todd also said she passed out during the attack. When she regained consciousness, she got in her car and drove to a friend's house nearby and called police. She also was missing $60, although she doesn't remember giving her attacker any money. On Wednesday night -- immediately after the incident -- Ms. Todd had told police the robber became agitated when he saw a McCain sticker on her car. He then punched her in the back of the head, pushed her to the ground and carved the letter into her face.


What article did YOU read? Because in this article they state right at the beginning that she confessed to lying about EVERYTHING. Not just about the cutting. It was inconsistencies about many things, according to the article, that led to the polygraph test, including the fact that there was no video of her at the ATM.

This is why we came down on you like a ton of bricks. Sorry if you read a very different article, but this was the one you linked us to. And what you say makes no sense at all given this article. There is nothing in the article to indicate that the police were upset about only one inconsistency regarding the "B" on her face, or that she might have told the truth about everything but the scratch on her face. Everything was suspect from the beginning. So says that article.
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The article was ambiguous, to say the least, about the bottom line. As I read it, the last story was that she was mugged and fondled, and that the assault happened as she was APPROACHING the ATM, which would explain the lack of a photo or any computer record.

If I am mistaken, I apologize, but it was an easy mistake to make.
 
Boxlicker101 said:
The article was ambiguous, to say the least, about the bottom line. As I read it, the last story was that she was mugged and fondled, and that the assault happened as she was APPROACHING the ATM, which would explain the lack of a photo or any computer record.

If I am mistaken, I apologize, but it was an easy mistake to make.
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No need to apologize. I just want to understand if this was the same article. If it is, it confuses me as to why you'd be angry with the police when the article begins with stating that this woman has confessed to lying about the whole thing. Also, the original story that she told, from the beginning, was that she got money from the ATM and then was mugged. So if there's nothing on the ATM video of her getting money, that undermines her story.

I'm sure the police came up with many possible scenarios as to how her story could make sense as well as how it didn't make sense--this was, after all, a case that they had to be careful with, not dismissive. Those police certainly know that ATM and the cross-streets, and they may have seen a good many inconsistencies in how the girl described the attack, etc., that made them suspicious. Without knowing what they know, it's not fair to say that they dismissed the story out of hand.
 
Boxlicker101 said:
The article was ambiguous, to say the least, about the bottom line. As I read it, the last story was that she was mugged and fondled, and that the assault happened as she was APPROACHING the ATM, which would explain the lack of a photo or any computer record.

If I am mistaken, I apologize, but it was an easy mistake to make.
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Oh for crying out loud, Box. You sound like a poilitician. Three simple words:

"I was wrong."


The woman obviously has problems and did the Republican Party no favours with her stupid ruse. But to try and deflect responsibility for those actions onto someone else is disingenous at the least.
 
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You wanna hear some real shit Box, it seems Ashley Todd might have been a friend of Ashton Glover:
On that day, Ashton met two friends, Matthew Ross McCombs, 18, and Sean Huston Brown, 18, at a coffee shop on Sugar Land’s Sweetwater Boulevard. The trio eventually decided to go "mudding" in Brown’s truck and drove out to a field off Oilfield Road, south of Sugar Land. Unbeknownst to Ashton, her friends had other plans.

When they arrived at their destination, the three friends exited the vehicle and began exploring the area. Brown walked ahead, with Ashton in the middle and McCombs trailing behind. Suddenly, without warning, McCombs pulled a handgun from his waistband and shot Ashton in the head, killing her instantly.

McCombs and Brown went to a restaurant for breakfast and then returned to the coffee shop and drove Ashton’s vehicle to a spot on the street near her home. Afterward, they continued to cover up the grisly murder by returning to the crime scene and burying her body in a shallow grave at a nearby construction site. When they were finished, the two young men went home and drifted off to sleep.

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During questioning, McCombs told police that he shot Ashton out of "morbid curiosity." He claimed that his classmate had always been nice to him and that he did not have any anger toward her. He stated, "It just happened to be her that was there when I decided to see what it would be like to kill someone." His morbid curiosity led him to shoot Ashton just to see what it would be like. He also claimed that the idea did not form until they were driving out to the field, although he had decided to bring the handgun with him earlier.
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This might have been what unhinged her - the question is, why is nihilism suddenly becoming so popular?

Something to do with an absence of ideals other than get-mine-before-anybody-else-does maybe?

Thank god I'm a liberal - at least we have always have meaningless recreational sex to fall back on.
 
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