Pravda: Spanking cures depression

[dr_mabeuse]

Ya just never can tell . . .

I thought depressives would be posting here. Instead, it's the BDSM crew.

Maybe it's because those of us who have to deal with depression just don't have the well-developed senses of humor necessary to appreciate this kind of rarified and sophisticated wit. Maybe if the piece were about something that we ourselves didn't suffer from, like maybe cerebral palsy or cancer or mental retardation, then we could join in on the fun too. Mabe these Siberian scientists could find out that anal rape cures autism. That would be a hoot. But depression, well, you know - it's not a real disease, is it? We're just lazy good-for-nothings who need a good stiff kick in the ass.

Just in case anyone is dogshit-dumb enough to think that this article is anything but pure crap, or doesn't know the difference between subdrop and depression or dopamine and endorphins, let's wade out into the pseudo-scientific sewage of the article for a paragraph or so:

Siberian scientists believe that addiction to alcohol and narcotics, as well as depression, suicidal thoughts and psychosomatic diseases occur when an individual loses his or her interest in life. The absence of the will to live is caused with decreasing production of endorphins - the substance, which is known as the hormone of happiness. If a depressed individual receives a physical punishment, whipping that is, it will stir up endorphin receptors, activate the “production of happiness” and eventually remove depressive feelings.

One's interest in life is not a function of endorphin production. Endorphins block pain receptors, that's all they do, and if they governed our "interest in life" and were the "hormones of happiness", then morphine and heroin addicts would be the most interested-in-life and happiest people on earth, because those compounds are basically synthetic endorphin. And depression would respond to morphine and heroin treatment, which it doesn't. In fact. opiate treatment makes depression worse.

The brain is the most complex mechanism in the universe and we have no idea how it works. Of the thousands or hundreds of thousands of chemical messengers and proteins and neurotransmitters working away in there keeping us sane and balanced, we've identifed maybe 5 or 6. In depression, something goes wrong, and what seems to go wrong is not a lack of this or that, but an imbalance in the ratios of, say, dopamine to serotonin, or noradrenaline to L-DOPA. No one really knows. The doctors don't know. When yougo in for treatment, they just start throwing drugs at you, hoping something will work. And meanwhile you just hang on and suffer.

So let's be straight. Depressioin isn't the blues. Depression isn't being bored. Depression isn't, "Oh, I don't feel like getting up today. I think I'll sleep in and become an addict and a welfare cheat and sponge of the Middle class."

Depression may be mild where the sufferer just feels unmotivated or down or can't get out of bed, and it may go away on its own or respond to simple things like exercise or phototherapy. It may be more severe where it really interferes with your finctioning or you can't stop crying or are seized by paralyzing fear. It can be as agonizing and acutely painful as any physical injury can be, in which case suicde offers the only hope of relief. Professionals in the field take a very pragmatic and unsentimental view of this kind of serious depression. They say that when the pain of depression exceeds the patient's capacity to endure it, suicide appears as a logical option. Suicide is the second leading cause of death among young adults.

But my point is this- The reason I bitch is this- It's so easy for someone who's never had this disease to look at someone who has it and think, "There's nothing wrong with him that a good swift kick in the ass won't cure!" And that's what this article says, and finds so fucking funny. And on that level, it's the same as making fun of retarded kids and cripples.

So there you go. You want to know why depressives haven't responded to this shit hole post? It's because it's a shit hole post, that's why.

 

[elsol]

I guess it would be safe to say that Dr_Mab is not a supporter of the Rush Limbaugh School of Medicine.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Maybe it's because those of us who have to deal with depression just don't have the well-developed senses of humor necessary to appreciate this kind of rarified and sophisticated wit. Maybe if the piece were about something that we ourselves didn't suffer from, like maybe cerebral palsy or cancer or mental retardation, then we could join in on the fun too. Mabe these Siberian scientists could find out that anal rape cures autism. That would be a hoot. But depression, well, you know - it's not a real disease, is it? We're just lazy good-for-nothings who need a good stiff kick in the ass.

Just in case anyone is dogshit-dumb enough to think that this article is anything but pure crap, or doesn't know the difference between subdrop and depression or dopamine and endorphins, let's wade out into the pseudo-scientific sewage of the article for a paragraph or so:

Quote:
Siberian scientists believe that addiction to alcohol and narcotics, as well as depression, suicidal thoughts and psychosomatic diseases occur when an individual loses his or her interest in life. The absence of the will to live is caused with decreasing production of endorphins - the substance, which is known as the hormone of happiness. If a depressed individual receives a physical punishment, whipping that is, it will stir up endorphin receptors, activate the “production of happiness” and eventually remove depressive feelings.
One's interest in life is not a function of endorphin production. Endorphins block pain receptors, that's all they do, and if they governed our "interest in life" and were the "hormones of happiness", then morphine and heroin addicts would be the most interested-in-life and happiest people on earth, because those compounds are basically synthetic endorphin. And depression would respond to morphine and heroin treatment, which it doesn't. In fact. opiate treatment makes depression worse.

The brain is the most complex mechanism in the universe and we have no idea how it works. Of the thousands or hundreds of thousands of chemical messengers and proteins and neurotransmitters working away in there keeping us sane and balanced, we've identifed maybe 5 or 6. In depression, something goes wrong, and what seems to go wrong is not a lack of this or that, but an imbalance in the ratios of, say, dopamine to serotonin, or noradrenaline to L-DOPA. No one really knows. The doctors don't know. When yougo in for treatment, they just start throwing drugs at you, hoping something will work. And meanwhile you just hang on and suffer.

So let's be straight. Depressioin isn't the blues. Depression isn't being bored. Depression isn't, "Oh, I don't feel like getting up today. I think I'll sleep in and become an addict and a welfare cheat and sponge of the Middle class."

Depression may be mild where the sufferer just feels unmotivated or down or can't get out of bed, and it may go away on its own or respond to simple things like exercise or phototherapy. It may be more severe where it really interferes with your finctioning or you can't stop crying or are seized by paralyzing fear. It can be as agonizing and acutely painful as any physical injury can be, in which case suicde offers the only hope of relief. Professionals in the field take a very pragmatic and unsentimental view of this kind of serious depression. They say that when the pain of depression exceeds the patient's capacity to endure it, suicide appears as a logical option. Suicide is the second leading cause of death among young adults.

But my point is this- The reason I bitch is this- It's so easy for someone who's never had this disease to look at someone who has it and think, "There's nothing wrong with him that a good swift kick in the ass won't cure!" And that's what this article says, and finds so fucking funny. And on that level, it's the same as making fun of retarded kids and cripples.

So there you go. You want to know why depressives haven't responded to this shit hole post? It's because it's a shit hole post, that's why.

I'm very inclined to agree with the good doctor. Perhaps this is actually aversion therapy.

As for alcoholism specifically, this is something I know about intimately, and it has nothing to do with an interest in life or the lack of same.

 

[amicus]

Wow,Mab...what a bombshell!

When I read the initial post, I thought, Novosibirsk...I know that name, Tom Clancy? Nuclear base, cold war un-named city in Russia for conscripted labor, the piece read phoney to me...but I had no means to express why...

But I stumbled on through, only to see what other silliness might evolve and if these folks were serious or just being funny...

Then...your post...well done...

Sighs...I went day by day through four years of a college education in psychology with my daughter, trying to help a very stressed out young lady survive and comprehend what she was learning. At the end, I was angry at psychologists and psychiatrists and professors and above all, drug companies.

I suppose this is where you and I part company, Mab...as I do not think depression stems from chemical imbalance as a root cause...nor do I conclude that it is the result of mis-functioning brain processess in most cases.

I conclude and suggest that clinical depression is brought about by ignoring the basic means by which the human mind functions, the epistemology of the mind and the actual, real and absolute way it functions in normative conditions.

I know that sounds like garbledeegook, but at this late hour it is the best I can do.

You cannot fill a child's mind full of contradictions and expect that child's mind to develope in a sane and rational manner.

Drug therapy will never solve and only occasionally alleviates the dozens of behavioural anomalies that beset modern man; for two reasons, as Mab says, we don't and may never, know enough to understand what treatment to apply and second, we cannot know the secondary effects of the first or combined chemical therapies applied.

Please understand, I make no special expert claims other than having done a hell of a lot of research and reading in all the past and present DMV's and cursory explorations into theory by dozens of professionals. And my terse explanation is not adequate at all if one really needs to comprehend the basics of what I am saying. As a starting point only, I would suggest the writings of Ayn Rand and Nathaniel Branden, both as sources of information within the field.

Perhaps Roxanne, whom I expect posted the thread on a whim, might provide links to research along the lines I have suggested.

Thanks, Mab...most interesting...


amicus...

 

[rydia57]

Gasp! I think Flanders went thru spanking therapy in an episode of the Simpsons. Still... it does give good release. I shouldn't be surprised....

 

[slyc_willie]

Whipping therapy cures depression and suicide crises

Russian scientists from the city of Novosibirsk, Siberia, made a sensational report at the international conference devoted to new methods of treatment and rehabilitation in narcology. The report was called “Methods of painful impact to treat addictive behavior.”

Siberian scientists believe that addiction to alcohol and narcotics, as well as depression, suicidal thoughts and psychosomatic diseases occur when an individual loses his or her interest in life. The absence of the will to live is caused with decreasing production of endorphins - the substance, which is known as the hormone of happiness. If a depressed individual receives a physical punishment, whipping that is, it will stir up endorphin receptors, activate the “production of happiness” and eventually remove depressive feelings.

Russian scientists recommend the following course of the whipping therapy: 30 sessions of 60 whips on the buttocks in every procedure. A group of drug addicts volunteered to test the new method of treatment: the results can be described as good and excellent.

Doctor of Biological Sciences, Sergei Speransky, is a very well known figure in Novosibirsk. The doctor became one of the authors of the shocking whipping therapy. The professor used the self-flagellation method to cure his own depression; he also recovered from two heart attacks with the help of physical tortures too.

”The whipping therapy becomes much more efficient when a patients receives the punishment from a person of the opposite sex. The effect is astounding: the patient starts seeing only bright colors in the surrounding world, the heartache disappears, although it will take a certain time for the buttocks to heal, of course,” Sergei Speransky told the Izvestia newspaper.

The whipping therapy has not become a new discovery in the history of medicine. Tibetan monks widely used it for medical purposes too. Soviet specialists used a special method of torturing therapy at mental hospitals. They made injections of brimstone and peach oil mixture to inspire mentally unbalanced patience with a will to live. A patient would suffer from horrible pain in the body after such an injection, but he or she would change their attitude to life for the better afterwards.

”People might probably think of me as a masochist,” Dr. Speransky said. “But I can assure you that I am not a classic masochist at all,” he added.

The revolutionary method may take the Russian healthcare to a whole new level. The method is cheap and highly efficient, as its authors assure. Why not using something more efficient, a rack, for example?


http://english.prav******/science/health/7950-whipping-0

In a way, this makes sense. Beyond the deliciousness of BDSM.

The human mind and body are linked, of course. Everyone knows about the 'power of positive thinking.' The reverse is also true. Have you ever noticed that, when you are depressed, you are more likely to become ill? That is because your melancholic mood has interfered with your ability to fight off infections.

The experience of suffering physical pain can have two basic effects: It will make you submit, or it will make you endure, and grow stronger as a result.

As a soldier, I have known the physical trauma of being shot, stabbed and beaten. As a human being, I have experienced the loss of loved ones, including my wife and unborn son. I say this not as an attempt to procure sympathy, but to make a point.

With such experiences, I was faced with the fundamental question: give up and die, or endure and go on. Obviously, I chose the latter, for I am still here.

The basic principle is that pain does contribute to one's desire to live. If you feel pain, you feel life. If something hurts, then it is because it is affronting your basic nature. It is not merely a question of nerve endings reacting to the application of kinetic energy. Pain proves you are alive, and want to continue doing so.

Without pain, the human race as we know it would not exist.