Premonitions or other psychic experiences?

[Pure]

OK, you psychics, I'm thinking of a country as I type this, and will do so as often as I can in the next few hours; if you can read the signal--and i'll do nothing to activate my mental firewalls or think of lots of countries,-- please post the name of that country, here.

Note: For the suspicious, in a minute I'll mail cantdog that name, under strict confidence, though you're welcome to read his mind too.


the other thread turning in this direction is:

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=10837767#post10837767

 

[cantdog]

That last thing, about the off-the-scale IQ? That's what they told me. They never gave me the figure. They have an idea it warps you to know, and anyway, once you get to the outer limits of the scoring system, it's probably not very meaningful, as a number, anyway.

You ever do Statistics? I took it for fun a few years back. Stats is just the math of random processes. They had to throw you out and me out in order for the math to settle down, so they could score everyone else. "Off the curve," they said.

But then the fun began. My teachers got real weird about it. I'll tell you if you like.

I do mean it about the trances. Possibly you think if it's not supernatural, then it's mental illness. But I don't think you're weaker or more unstable because of what happened, do you? The way you refer to the way things have gone since, I think you're stronger and more resilient, overall. Better integrated, not less well hinged, if you get me.

Oh, there's no doubt you're different. Look at the IQ thing, for one instance. And you have genuine wit. People with real wit, who don't have to get it from someone else, are rare and precious.

Pros at the wit biz, like say, Bob Hope? Those guys have, often, a team of writers. Teams of writers work on sitcoms. But you won't need 'em. You could sell wit to people who desperately need it. That's what speechwriters and playwrights do.

Anyway, all this exceptional stuff and you're pretty rock solid, as I perceive it. If you've ebeen sweating schizophrenia or something because of this, forget it. No freakin way.

If you've been sweating some Cosmic Force or Wayout Being who was Telling You Something or Fuckin With Your Head-- well, all I can say is, I don't swing that way. I don't see it. All I see is a plain trance. People can be kicked into the brainwave trance states chemically, just from something like a fever or a hypersomething, you know, just a glitch in the organism.

But people don't start having spontaneous trance states unless they're ready for 'em. You should look at the books some afternoon, about meditation, its various forms, what each is good for. Consider the idea. At 25, you're at peak. Fully grown, prime fuckin' years, brain complete and stable. You're all set. Time for what's next. The way to go up from where you are is spiritually. Though it's an atheist who tells you this.

Not that I'm the Answer or some kind of oracle. But I think you can do just fine as your own oracle. Saints and wise people through the centuries have told us what they found and even, some of them, how they found it.

You can't get any smarter, but you can get more knowledge.

You can't grow any more, but you can still grow wiser. I think wisdom is a worthy goal.

cantdog

 

[Lisa Denton]

OK, you psychics, I'm thinking of a country as I type this, and will do so as often as I can in the next few hours; if you can read the signal--and i'll do nothing to activate my mental firewalls or think of lots of countries,-- please post the name of that country, here.

Note: For the suspicious, in a minute I'll mail cantdog that name, under strict confidence, though you're welcome to read his mind too.


the other thread turning in this direction is:

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=10837767#post10837767

America -- also I'm getting California, Berkley? Or close to Berkley, somethin like that

 

[cantdog]

See, trances only get useful for shamans and mystics. The out-of-the-body thing is a worldwide experience.

When you look up Astral Travel, for example, try to look beyond, that is, to ignore, the belief system that the description of Astral Travel is embedded in. Chances are, it will be some descendant of Spiritualism who wrote the book you find on it. But Muhammad (the Prophet, you know; that Muhammad) had his Night Journey, and he was certainly not in the same belief system as the Spiritualists. Shamans travel in the spirit. There are examples in all cultures, even though not everyone writes them down or plays around interpreting them, publicly.

These things happen to people, and the descriptions vary in some pretty strong ways. But a lot of the variety is cultural. Once it does happen to a person, it's up to the person to figure out what it means and to dope out what comes next. Everyone has to do that from their own cultural place, you can't help that.

But people find it significant, to say the least. Mystical experiences can be had by nearly anyone, the Sufis showed us that. But you and I had one spontaneously, even though, without guidance, we didn't do very much with them besides just experience them.

Mine was not a travel in the spirit thing, my first one. It was a Shapeshifting, in that I suddenly identified with a tree for a while. Same difference. I thought I was nuts, worried about it. But I read up on it.

I got the idea by listening to these guys that what I'd had was a mystical experience. It answered the description. So I started to try to get there in a more controlled way. The best of the mystics are empirical! They want to blow off the religious ideas about what they should be seeing, and tell people what they saw, as an experiment, when they pushed this thing forward. Interesting and rewarding too.

your atheistic mystic

cantdog

 

[Lisa Denton]

That last thing, about the off-the-scale IQ? That's what they told me. They never gave me the figure. They have an idea it warps you to know, and anyway, once you get to the outer limits of the scoring system, it's probably not very meaningful, as a number, anyway.

You ever do Statistics? I took it for fun a few years back. Stats is just the math of random processes. They had to throw you out and me out in order for the math to settle down, so they could score everyone else. "Off the curve," they said.

But then the fun began. My teachers got real weird about it. I'll tell you if you like.

I do mean it about the trances. Possibly you think if it's not supernatural, then it's mental illness. But I don't think you're weaker or more unstable because of what happened, do you? The way you refer to the way things have gone since, I think you're stronger and more resilient, overall. Better integrated, not less well hinged, if you get me.

Oh, there's no doubt you're different. Look at the IQ thing, for one instance. And you have genuine wit. People with real wit, who don't have to get it from someone else, are rare and precious.

Pros at the wit biz, like say, Bob Hope? Those guys have, often, a team of writers. Teams of writers work on sitcoms. But you won't need 'em. You could sell wit to people who desperately need it. That's what speechwriters and playwrights do.

Anyway, all this exceptional stuff and you're pretty rock solid, as I perceive it. If you've ebeen sweating schizophrenia or something because of this, forget it. No freakin way.

If you've been sweating some Cosmic Force or Wayout Being who was Telling You Something or Fuckin With Your Head-- well, all I can say is, I don't swing that way. I don't see it. All I see is a plain trance. People can be kicked into the brainwave trance states chemically, just from something like a fever or a hypersomething, you know, just a glitch in the organism.

But people don't start having spontaneous trance states unless they're ready for 'em. You should look at the books some afternoon, about meditation, its various forms, what each is good for. Consider the idea. At 25, you're at peak. Fully grown, prime fuckin' years, brain complete and stable. You're all set. Time for what's next. The way to go up from where you are is spiritually. Though it's an atheist who tells you this.

Not that I'm the Answer or some kind of oracle. But I think you can do just fine as your own oracle. Saints and wise people through the centuries have told us what they found and even, some of them, how they found it.

You can't get any smarter, but you can get more knowledge.

You can't grow any more, but you can still grow wiser. I think wisdom is a worthy goal.

cantdog

Oh, they was giving me numbers, its just they kept going up is why they singled me out for this testin stuff. I was the wrong age to be looking at ink blots and shit. They all looked like ink blots to me. This psycho/counsellor/intelligence data gauging guy thought I was being hostile, but noticed I never got mad and his numbers didn't make sense. They said later he deviated from the norm but when he told me he was gonna find my breaking point I went into mental self-defense mode and drove the fucker nuts. It was him or me, he broke.

I figure I'm pretty stable now, in the same situation I would prolly cut the guy some slack and/or try to talk some sense into him. I consider myself to be a cynical/idealist and hope the world changes my views, since I have little hope of changing the world.

I am still researching that wicca stuff and find it fasinating but the parts I am most interested in I can't seem to find the research start points. The animal spirit guide stuff is elusive when I try to get into it, hints and subtle references never seem to pan out into something substantiated in any way, shape, or form. Any ideas?

I'm not worried about some cosmic force fuckin with my head but am a little worried some crack-head force may fuckin try to kill me or force me to kill them.

I guess I've warped what little catholic religion I obtained as a child into a sort of "Thou should not kill, but thou shall not lay down and die" sort of thing.

Peoples think I joke too much sometimes but if its laugh or cry well, I'm me and I've done both and know what's worth cryin about to me. I'll do a lot of crying and a hell of a lot of laughing.

I hope to get wiser on the way so I often stop and listen.

 

[cantdog]

Did you try that Fire in the Head book, by Cowan, that I told people about on the Paganism thread? It's a book about shamanism, especially Celtic shamanism.

Shamans are cool, and the Celts were in the tradition somewhat. You'll see the similarities, I bet, without me pointing them out. Celtic culture took the shamanistic stuff and got very sophisticated about it. They stabilized the ideas about the realm in which travel-in-the-spirit occurs, and where spirit guides arise from, as one Realm, with a cycle of myths to show the realm's limits and the ways to contact it. In the Celtic mystical tradition, they can do time travel the way they do travel through distance.

Shamans had to cure illnesses with these tools, and with herbal medicine. If the illness were a grievance against some ancestor, bringing a curse on the sick person, the shaman would set out to go back and undo the past evil to break the curse. Cool stuff, in its way.

Just as I separated from myself to move into the tree, and you to move along the route to the bus, the shaman would set out to move back in time. There were myths about guys who got stuck. Some shamans said they were from the future and stuck, that they'd been trying to get home but had lived five lifetimes trying and were consequently both hundreds of years old and also not born yet!

A guy like that tell you he went back and stopped your grandfather from harming the wolf spirit of the moon when he was hunting, you believe him! Then the curse of the Wolf Spirit is gone, and you can psychosomatically speed the healing process, because you're supposed to get better now. If the herbal meds worked, well, bonus!

Totems in some of the traditions of north American natives were spirit animal guides, discovered during the rituals associated with coming of age. As I understood my source, the young person went into trance and then met the Raven or the Coyote or whatever it was, in the trance state. Generally the stories have the Guide telling you you've been an ass, get with the program, we need you to pull your head out! The poor shaman has to pant along trying to keep up while the Guide lays all kinds of quests and shit on him. Great stories.

Try "Totems" as a search string.

The whole subject is fascinating.

I figure I'm pretty stable now, in the same situation I would prolly cut the guy some slack and/or try to talk some sense into him. I consider myself to be a cynical/idealist and hope the world changes my views, since I have little hope of changing the world.

Cynic yet idealistic is a step from existential which is where I was when I had mine. You'll give up on the cynicism. It's just a defense mechanism and you'll not need it, soon enough.Try to see what the various reports have in common with one another; look at it analytically.

A Sufi to look for might be al-Ghazali. "Do not withhold wisdom from the initiated," Ghazali says, "but be the good doctor; dispense the medicine according to the pain." It's decent advice. It's why I'm telling this stuff to you, partly

cantdog