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[raphy]

I guess its just my Kentish upbringing then.

Must be, Sancho..

The song, after all, is Rule, Britannia, not Rule, England

 

[Guest]

I guess its just my Kentish upbringing then.

Yep, I'm also with Alex and Raphy on this. I'm British first, English second. And I'm from Dorset, not that far from Kent.

Now, if anyone were to refer to someone from Scotland as 'English' they'd most likely get their head ripped off and a haggis inserted somewhere painful.

Lou, pronouncing all her words with a mild Dorset lilt.

 

[pop_54]

Ha

Speak for yourself. I don't mind at all.

I'd rather be referred to as British than at odds with the Scots, Welsh and Irish.

It's Brit that pisses me off.

JJ - Glos-ter-shire. No such thing as 'Oxfordshire' AFAIK, the county sometimes being referred to as Oxon. (No, I don't know why.) I'll leave it to someone else to explain 'Shire'. Gloucestershire is a separate county altogether to Oxford/Oxon.

Alex

Hello JJ seems everyone's answered while I've been NaNo'ised.

Hey Alex
Telling the Scots Welsh and Irish they're British will soon put you at odds with them, well the ones I know anyway, they're very nationalistic, even more so than we English.
I know the Ulster-men love being Brit's.

There is an Oxfordshire unfortunately, didn't used to be many years ago, but they formed it to give themselves in Oxford/Oxon more power. As Oxfordshire county council they could raise their own taxes locally and administer the area to suit.

A bit of useless information, my home town is in Oxfordshire, (8 miles from the City) but used to be the county capital of Berkshire before Reading was invented. I never moved the town did, some interfering politicians decided Berkshire was too big, and Oxon too small, so they moved the boundaries a few years back. We were not amused.

 

[pop_54]

Ha

Yep, I'm also with Alex and Raphy on this. I'm British first, English second. And I'm from Dorset, not that far from Kent.

Now, if anyone were to refer to someone from Scotland as 'English' they'd most likely get their head ripped off and a haggis inserted somewhere painful.

Lou, pronouncing all her words with a mild Dorset lilt.

Ha!! now you've done it young lady This is the thing that annoys me more than anything, it is Ok to be Scot's and proud of it, it is Ok to be Welsh and proud of it, but claim to be English and proud of it and there's a problem. Same everywhere, couldn't even be English on the last census form could we, but the Jock's and Taff's had a category. Childish though it will seem, i scrubbed through British and penned in English, no one said anything.

 

[sanchopanza]

Thats my exact point. There is no longer such a thing as England, it is now Britain, but Wales and Scotland still exist. And by the way I never liked Rule Britannia anyway. What language do we speak? British? Not bloody likely, it's English thats what it is.

 

[pop_54]

Yeppers

Thats my exact point. There is no longer such a thing as England, it is now Britain, but Wales and Scotland still exist. And by the way I never liked Rule Britannia anyway. What language do we speak? British? Not bloody likely, it's English thats what it is.

Much prefer Land of Hope and Glory. Myself.

 

[Guest]

I think the Scots, the N. Irish and the Welsh try to have a stronger local identity because the seat of power in Britain is in England. However, now that they have their own National Assemblies their local national identity is further re-inforced. We in England just have Westminster, which is in London. But, if you happen to live in London you also have the Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, working for your local needs. We have the local authorities, fat lot of good they do.

This probably sounds extremely arrogant, but I personally think that most English people don't feel the need to define themselves as 'English' rather than 'British' because most of the rest of the world don't get the distinction. I'm pretty certain that most people in the US see 'British' and 'English' as interchangable (guys in the US, please correct me if I'm wrong). Try telling that to a Scotsman. That is all I meant by my point above. I said if a Scottish person was referred to as 'English' they'd most likey be rather angry. This is a different point than you presumed I was making. Would you like to be referred to as 'Scottish'? No, I thought not.

Ha!! now you've done it young lady This is the thing that annoys me more than anything, it is Ok to be Scot's and proud of it, it is Ok to be Welsh and proud of it, but claim to be English and proud of it and there's a problem. Same everywhere, couldn't even be English on the last census form could we, but the Jock's and Taff's had a category. Childish though it will seem, i scrubbed through British and penned in English, no one said anything.

Of course, I am very proud to be English, especially when we beat Wales in the rugby, but I am equally proud, probably more so, to be British.

Lou, trying not to have an identity crisis, on a national level.

 

[gauchecritic]

Makes no never mind to me what foreigners think my nationality is, when asked, my answer is first and always 'Yorkshire'.

Irish, Scots and Welsh accents are often retained when displaced, that gives these people a much surer sense of identity than what other people think of them. Same for me.

Gauche

 

[Alex De Kok]

All I really said was that I had no objection to being called British. I am, after all.

I'm English first, or - even better - Geordie, born and bred.

If it ever comes down to home rule, I'm voting for home rule for Northumbria - that will take in most of Northern England and a fair chunk of Southern Scotland

Alex

 

[sanchopanza]

The only time I don't mind being referred to as British is in relation to the British Empire. Never should have given anything up.

 

[LorriLove]

hiya

The only time I don't mind being referred to as British is in relation to the British Empire. Never should have given anything up.

we had to honey, fighting everyone elses wars we couldn't afford to keep it all.

 

[sanchopanza]

It was good while it lasted though, and I'm fed up of people apologising for the Empire.

 

[Guest]

It was good while it lasted though, and I'm fed up of people apologising for the Empire.

Gee, Sancho, Dubya could use your attitude.

Perdita

 

[sanchopanza]

You have to take some of what I say with a pinch of salt. It's late and I'm feeling faint at my own bad smell, must be something I ate.

 

[Guest]

Sanch, I was pulling your leg. I always have salt on hand when I'm on the AH. Take a good long bath.

Perdita

 

[sanchopanza]

It's half past midnight woman. I'll have a shower when I get up.

 

[Guest]

You Brits, uh, whatever. Sleep nice,

Perdita