Prosecutors seeking felony charges against Gen. Petraeus

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[Ulaven_Demorte]

In the spirit of full disclosure, you might have mentioned this "fuck buddy" is a high ranking military officer with a top secret security classification.

Just having a Top Secret doesn't mean that you are allowed access to all Top Secret information. That information is distributed on a "need to know" basis. She didn't.

I carried a Top Secret security clearance with CTSA (Cosmic Top Secret Atomal) access while doing cryptography work for the Pershing II missiles in the Army (I was in the Platoon Control Center and was responsible for half of the access codes for the warhead and Guidance system targeting data, the Captain in charge of the platoon had access to the other half). Despite my clearance and access I still wouldn't be allowed access to just any Top Secret information.

Had I shared MY Top Secret information with the Captain even with his identical security clearance my ass would have been in the fire. He wasn't authorized access to that particular information just as I wasn't authorized access to his.

 

[Sean Renaud]

In the case of both officers, political decisions were made in their behalf in light of their sacrifices over many years. Both however are discredited, both had their government records and careers tarnished and destroyed. I don't think we'll see Petraeus busted down to a private, or suffer confinement. I don't think the American people will stand for that before we know the nature of that alleged classified material and what exactly it compromised.

Is that even possible in real life? I've never heard in real life of anybody being being busted from officer down to enlisted.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Is that even possible in real life? I've never heard in real life of anybody being being busted from officer down to enlisted.

Good question. I tried my google fu but came up bupkis.

The largest general officer rank reduction I found was Major General Jeff Sinclair, a man who seemed to have spent his last ten years in uniform mouthfucking his female adjutants. He was busted from Major General to Lt. Colonel, because his rapey behavior began when he was promoted to full Colonel.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Just having a Top Secret doesn't mean that you are allowed access to all Top Secret information. That information is distributed on a "need to know" basis. She didn't.

I carried a Top Secret security clearance with CTSA (Cosmic Top Secret Atomal) access while doing cryptography work for the Pershing II missiles in the Army (I was in the Platoon Control Center and was responsible for half of the access codes for the warhead and Guidance system targeting data, the Captain in charge of the platoon had access to the other half). Despite my clearance and access I still wouldn't be allowed access to just any Top Secret information.

Had I shared MY Top Secret information with the Captain even with his identical security clearance my ass would have been in the fire. He wasn't authorized access to that particular information just as I wasn't authorized access to his.

We took infosec very seriously in my unit too. I had a lowly secret clearance which allowed me to sign for receipt of classified documents. One time we were accidently sent a ream of cover sheets for CTS stuff. No classified info, just the cover sheets used to cover classified info. I remember our battalion s1 major just about having a coronary, we had a little keystone cops episode before determining the cover sheets in and of themselves were not classified material.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Love and sex, trumps common sense, it seems. There are strict procedures for the transport or transmittal of highly classified material. He could have been authorized to be in possession of it himself, but my understanding is it might have been on an unsecured personal computer, which would be a violation of handling procedures.

The general has denied giving Paula Broadwell classified material, so the government must be asking how she could have been in possession of certain materials, and I suspect they already know the answer to that question.

My personal opinion is, it remains to be seen what the general did, or did not do. I highly suspect that politics are at the bottom of this affair. It may have to go to trial before we know the real truth, or whether or not the government is just trying to keep in in line or reasons yet unknown.

I actually agree with you that politics seem to be at the bottom of this affair, though probably not the way you think it is.

Nobody forced Gen. Petraeus to stick his dick in crazy (and face it, had fuckbuddy Broadwell not gone nuclear crazy on her perceived civilian competition this affair would NEVER have seen the light of day).

The political aspect is, adultery notwithstanding, Petraeus literally wrote the book on modern counterinsurgency techniques, and America and the American military owes him a debt of gratitude for this.

He's sullied his reputation subsequently, and I suspect a great many people just want him to 'fade away". Petraeus seems determined not to go quietly, so I'm of the opinion he's now in a mess of his own choosing.

 

[FGB]

Why after all this time has passed.

This is a long investigation or convenient...

 

[Que]

Just having a Top Secret doesn't mean that you are allowed access to all Top Secret information. That information is distributed on a "need to know" basis. She didn't.

I carried a Top Secret security clearance with CTSA (Cosmic Top Secret Atomal) access while doing cryptography work for the Pershing II missiles in the Army (I was in the Platoon Control Center and was responsible for half of the access codes for the warhead and Guidance system targeting data, the Captain in charge of the platoon had access to the other half). Despite my clearance and access I still wouldn't be allowed access to just any Top Secret information.

Had I shared MY Top Secret information with the Captain even with his identical security clearance my ass would have been in the fire. He wasn't authorized access to that particular information just as I wasn't authorized access to his.

I don't think we are either cleared to know that or have a demonstrable need to know that.

~kidding~

I used to have a business partner that was retiring from intel. Not sure what agency, he never said. I think DIA because he was Air Force at times. I drew some inferences about his cover and such based on the sort of work we did and trained others for.

He gets called back when Saddam starts rattling sabers again, and ends up in an area of the country that I associate with collecting signal intelligence, but I knew he had been an actual control officer in the field so I figured he was reassigned to a different sort of desk job.

I call his work phone about some issues that had come up in our little business and his voice mail was a female voice reading:

You have reached <Query's partner's actual, real, full name>, Humint officer.....at the tone please leave our name and number.

WTF? Aren't spies supposed to be stealthy about what it is they do??

 

[mark_j]

#AscriptionAgain

How that platinum health care policy of yours, buddy?

What the fuck do you care? And it is far from Platinum.

 

[Que]

It's a court martial offense if he did it on active duty.

Which is why I think it pretty interesting of a human interest story that a guy who, by all accounts exhibited a strong sense of honor and duty in all the other things we know about him, would do this.

It points to how difficult it can be to do the right thing and not give in to temptation. I never liked the whole, "my wife doesn't understand me, or, I am not getting my needs met excuse, but by all accounts his marriage was a pretty happy and fulfilling one, he is a man of otherwise unassailable character, and even he does this.

My point was if this particular man could fall, anyone given the opportunity and enough alone time will most likely fall.

I think those that haven't either have not ever truly had the opportunity and the desire cross in a situation where they had the reasonable belief they would not get caught, or they are people of such high moral fiber that they avoid being in situations where they would have such an opportunity.

I have been both of those things. Sometimes I would have if I could have, but it just wasn't likely, or I definitely could have and had to erect artificial barriers. To my shame and regret I found myself with opportunity and desire once very early on and salvaged a little dignity by not consummating it, but it went way too far. It was a wake up call that I never wanted to repeat.

I think the decision not to cheat has to take place before there is an opportunity, and one has to work at making sure there are not any easy opportunities.

It might be easier for ugly people, I will allow.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Which is why I think it pretty interesting of a human interest story that a guy who, by all accounts exhibited a strong sense of honor and duty in all the other things we know about him, would do this.

It points to how difficult it can be to do the right thing and not give in to temptation. I never liked the whole, "my wife doesn't understand me, or, I am not getting my needs met excuse, but by all accounts his marriage was a pretty happy and fulfilling one, he is a man of otherwise unassailable character, and even he does this.

Why are you surprised that he would do that? What a silly concept, are you actually a woman? From the beginning of time until recently, men of power cheated on their wives. It isn't anything new, truly alpha men are not monogamous. INCLUDING senior ranking officers in the military. In fact, more so. Sure it may mean a court marshall on the books, but let's be realistic, no way is that ever actually enforced.

Also, what if his wife didn't care? When I look at his wife, I see a woman who has checked out of the sexual game. She wears no make up to a public event, she has an old woman hair cut and style of dress, she is fat and her hair is gray.

http://www.usnews.com/pubdbimages/image/47528/FE_DA_121112PetraeusWifeHolly620x413.jpg

I would be the farm that she wasn't mad to learn he was fucking someone else, but was actually mad that the info became public knowledge. Discretion is the key, as it always has been and always will be.

 

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[RobDownSouth]

Why after all this time has passed.

This is a long investigation or convenient...

Well, the truth is starting to dribble out. Evidently the FBI wrapped up its investigation months ago and the Justice Department signed off on the criminal charges recommendation, and it's been sitting on the Attorney General's desk for final signature for literally months.

A couple of FBI agents got together with some Justice department folks and leaked the inactivity to the media.

Seems like Holder is the sole reason for the delay.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Which is why I think it pretty interesting of a human interest story that a guy who, by all accounts exhibited a strong sense of honor and duty in all the other things we know about him, would do this.

It points to how difficult it can be to do the right thing and not give in to temptation. I never liked the whole, "my wife doesn't understand me, or, I am not getting my needs met excuse, but by all accounts his marriage was a pretty happy and fulfilling one, he is a man of otherwise unassailable character, and even he does this.

My point was if this particular man could fall, anyone given the opportunity and enough alone time will most likely fall.

I think those that haven't either have not ever truly had the opportunity and the desire cross in a situation where they had the reasonable belief they would not get caught, or they are people of such high moral fiber that they avoid being in situations where they would have such an opportunity.

I have been both of those things. Sometimes I would have if I could have, but it just wasn't likely, or I definitely could have and had to erect artificial barriers. To my shame and regret I found myself with opportunity and desire once very early on and salvaged a little dignity by not consummating it, but it went way too far. It was a wake up call that I never wanted to repeat.

I think the decision not to cheat has to take place before there is an opportunity, and one has to work at making sure there are not any easy opportunities.

It might be easier for ugly people, I will allow.

Looks wouldn't make that much difference if the man is in a position of power or is highly successful. Rock stars and major league professional athletes get all the action they can handle. Too bad there aren't some porn groupies around.

 

[Busybody]

Betrayus should declare he is a DUMOH and would be a HERO

In April 2005, Berger pled guilty to a misdemeanor charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material from the National Archives in Washington.[2] According to the lead prosecutor in the case, Berger only took copies of classified information and no original material was destroyed. Berger was sentenced to a fine and a three-year suspension of his security clearance.[2]

 

[Disgustipated]

Is he better, the same, or worse than Ollie?

 

[phrodeau]

No worries. We aren't indicting guys in uniforms this year.

 

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[JAMESBJOHNSON]

No not at all. What are we to take away from the FACT that the government has been dragging its feet for two years in bringing charges against the General. It's being reported that it is up to Eric Holder whether or not to prosecute Petraeus. This indicates politics to me.

The Army can prosecute him and should if there is evidence to do so. He was a 4 star general officer in the United States Army, and can be recalled for prosecution by court martial. This prosecution should be tried by the Army and appealed to an article III court if need be.

How come I smell Sergeant Bird Dog in it? Or is it the VA and General Shit Stinky?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Smacks of politics. The leak may have been intended to intimidate Petraeus.

Oh, that absolutely could be part of it.

I think another part might be politics in general (pun intended), because you and I both know that if charges had been proffered prior to the election, Fox and Friends would have bellowed long and loud that "Here is proof that Obana hates teh military", and your demographic would have responded "It's true, and this is prooooooof!"

 

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[phrodeau]

Berger should have done hard time for that little event.

Berger had a two-year jail sentence. Fuck you.

 

[RobDownSouth]

It might not have been so, if he hadn't already fired nine general officers running up to this event. There is a pattern there.

I'll give you an "out" here, because I'm in a really good mood today: are you 100% sure you want to go there?

 

[phrodeau]

It might not have been so, if he hadn't already fired nine general officers running up to this event. There is a pattern there.

More vetteman claims to debunk.

http://skeptoid.com/blog/2014/03/24/president-obama-purge-military/

Major General Michael Carey – As commander of the US land-based nuclear missile program, Carey was responsible for three units of ICBMs. He was relieved in October 2013 for his conduct on a July trip to Moscow, where he went on what news reports called a “drunken bender,” fraternized with local women and made inappropriate comments disparaging the Russian military. As a result, he was reassigned and made Special Assistant to the Commander of Air Force Space Command in Colorado.

Vice Admiral Tim Giardina – Giardina served as chief of staff of the US Pacific Fleet and was the number 2 officer of US Strategic Command (StratCom) until being relieved of duty in September 2013, following an investigation into his use of fake casino chips in a poker game. This is a class D felony in Iowa, where StratCom is located. He was already due to leave StratCom, and his bio currently lists him as “assigned to the staff of the vice chief of naval operations.”

Lieutenant General David Holmes Huntoon, Jr. – Huntoon was serving as the Superintendent of the United States Military Academy in West Point until June 2013, when a report of an Inspector General’s office investigation was released, which found that he had misused his position and forced subordinate officers to perform personal tasks. Huntoon was given a letter of reprimand, allowed to resign from his post and took his mandatory retirement the next month.

Major General C.M.M. Gurganus – This was one of two generals asked to retire early by the Commandant of the Marine Corps after a September 2012 Taliban surprise attack on a Marine airbase. Gurganus was found to have “not taken adequate force protection measures” at Camp Bastion, which led to the death of two Marines and the destruction of six Harrier jet fighters.

Major General Gregg A. Sturdevant – Sturdevant was the other general asked to retire in the wake of the Camp Bastion attack.

Brigadier General Bryan Roberts – The former commanding officer of Fort Jackson, the largest training post in the US Army, Roberts was suspended in May 2013 after an investigation into adultery and a physical altercation with a woman described as his mistress. Adultery in the military is punishable as an action that can bring discredit upon the armed forces.

Major General Ralph Baker – Baker was removed from his post as commanding officer of Combined Joint Task Force-Horn of Africa, as well as fined, after an administrative hearing into alcohol abuse and sexual misconduct charges in April 2013.

Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette – Gaouette held the position of commanding officer of Carrier Strike Group Three until a reprimand from the US Navy led to his removal. He was found to have used profanity in public and made several racially insensitive remarks. The origin of the complaint might have come from the captain of the aircraft carrier assigned to the Strike Group, who alleged Gaouette had humiliated him in public.

General Carter F. Ham – The commander of US Command Africa, Ham retired in the wake of the September 2011 attack on the US consulate in Benghazi, Libya. Though the attack itself generated enormous controversy and blame on the Obama administration, Ham himself was never reprimanded and served the entirety of his two-year posting in Africa, retiring as scheduled at age 62, after a 40 year career.

There's nine. Where's the pattern?