Question about the Logistics of Filming Porn in Public

[Kasumi_Lee]

No, I'm not asking for practical advice, or else you'd be reading this in Fetish & Sexuality Central, but this question has been dogging me and I really need to get it off my back.

The other day, I was casually browsing porn clips (as one does) when I came across a BlackedRaw video that opens with two redheads on a bus in Budapest. When the male talent gets on and sits at the back, the two redheads get up and sit on either side of him. They flirt with him, make out with him, and then unzip his pants and go down on him to the bemusement of the other five or six commuters. Then the trio disembark and the rest of the scene takes place in a hotel room.

Now, it seems unlikely that the production crew just boarded a random bus in order to film the authentic reactions of the locals watching a sex act unfold in public, not least because Hungary must have laws against public indecency. But if we exclude that possibility, did they seriously rent out a public bus and hire a bunch of locals to act as extras? I know that's the most likely explanation, but it still feels like an incredibly bizarre thing to do, even if it is for porn.

It reminds me of that creepy subgenre of Japanese porn in which the female talent dressed as an office lady or (even creepier) a high school girl is molested and then violated aboard a crowded bus or train while everyone else acts like nothing's happening. Did the production company really rent out a public bus or train carriage for the day and hire twenty or thirty extras to just stand there and pretend to be regular commuters?

Actually, that would make a good story premise: a cameraperson or director at a porn production company whose day job is filming and editing all these different adult scenes while secretly yearning to be the male (or female) talent on screen.

Clarification: I'm aware that porn isn't real, so maybe this is a very naive question to pose at all, but it's the renting out of a public bus or train (presumably owned by a local government authority) that's so weird to me. That they allowed it is obvious from the existence of the scene, but why?

 

[lovecraft68]

Yes, they rented a bus and everyone on it is part of the show. The commuters, or other witnesses are usually part of the studio or occasionally local actors used as "extras"

If you go to Kink dot com they have scenarios like Public Disgrace where a woman is humiliated in front of an entire crowd in a bar. The women are pro actresses posing as amateurs the men are all pros and all the 'bar goers' are also extras, paid or otherwise, but these are not random people hanging around a bar and an orgy breaks out.

The worst of them-because I am so tired of people thinking this is real-is Dancing Bear where women at male stripper shows suck and fuck the dancers on camera and they try to pretend these are real out of control women. This could happen in real life, but not that extreme, and it certainly-and legally-could never be released publicly. DB is out of San Fran-or was this was some time ago I had this info-and all the women who touch the dancers are third tier porn stars and even local sex workers paid to put on a show. Extras fill out the crowd, and the funny thing is if you watch the crowd rather than the action, you see some of them looking the other way, and others watching like they'd rather be somewhere else because its the tenth shoot they've done and they're bored.

There's also some clips from DB that will tell you the names of the porn stars in the thumbnail.

Point is there is no reality in reality porn.

I've written a few porn shoot scenarios and know someone who was once in the industry. The finished product is nothing like the making of it which can somehow make sex as unsexy as you can imagine. That is unless it purely amateur as in couples filming themselves for PH or OF, there can be fun and intimacy with real couples. Professionally produced? Not so much.

 

[Kasumi_Lee]

Point is there is no reality in reality porn.

I'm aware of that, which I now realize makes my question look very naive in retrospect, but it's the renting of a public bus (or train carriage in the Japanese case) that feels bizarre. Presumbly those are owned by some local government authority, and I can't help but wonder why they'd even agree to such an arrangement.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm aware of that, which I now realize makes my question look very naive in retrospect, but it's the renting of a public bus (or train carriage in the Japanese case) that feels bizarre. Presumbly those are owned by some local government authority, and I can't help but wonder why they'd even agree to such an arrangement.

You can rent busses for trips to casinos, other cities (I've been on a couple going to Buffalo for Bills Pats games) and any private event. A site liked Blacked makes enough money to have a budget.

My only thought would be do they tell the owner of the bus what its for?

 

[Kasumi_Lee]

My only thought would be do they tell the owner of the bus what its for?

Probably not.

 

[SimonDoom]

Unfortunately, I think LC is right: there's no reality in reality porn. You should assume that in the case of any porn where there is interaction that it's not real. That's especially true where the porn consists of repeated scenarios of the same type staged in the same place.

I wouldn't think one would be under any obligation to tell the owner of the venue, such as a bus, what it's being used for. I've seen some of these kinds of videos, and frankly I don't think any viewers are paying any attention to the bus.

I've seen SOME nude in public-style porn where I'm pretty sure it's real and the people in the background, often on a train, are not actors but real people. But these are usually flashing style videos where the actors/models/performers do not interact with the members of the "public."

 

[Kasumi_Lee]

Unfortunately, I think LC is right: there's no reality in reality porn. You should assume that in the case of any porn where there is interaction that it's not real.

I'm aware of that, but I don't consider it unfortunate (although I do feel kind of foolish for asking this question now). I'd much rather it be staged than be a pornographic flash mob breaking out in public.

I wouldn't think one would be under any obligation to tell the owner of the venue, such as a bus, what it's being used for. I've seen some of these kinds of videos, and frankly I don't think any viewers are paying any attention to the bus.

It does make me wonder if the public authority that owns and operates the bus would have had second thoughts if the production company had told them the truth.

 

[RejectReality]

Why on earth would you assume it's an actual piece of public equipment from that area? A bus is a bus. Maybe somebody in Budapest or recent visitors would know it's not an actual piece of public transit equipment for the area, but who else is going to? Even if it is standard transit equipment, governments sell those things for peanuts when they replace them. Anybody could buy them, do a little refurbishing, and rent them out.

That sort of scenario is far more likely than renting actual, in-use public transit equipment. Well, absent scumbags in government letting them do it on the sly and pocketing the money.

 

[TheLobster]

While a half-empty bus is certainly rented and staffed by extras, I’m not entirely sure about the aforementioned crowded Japanese train. The bystander effect is very real, and I can imagine it’s even stronger in the largest megalopolis in the world inhabited by one of the most reserved cultures than it is in the west.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I'm aware of that, which I now realize makes my question look very naive in retrospect, but it's the renting of a public bus (or train carriage in the Japanese case) that feels bizarre. Presumbly those are owned by some local government authority, and I can't help but wonder why they'd even agree to such an arrangement.

It's not necessarily an actual public bus. I can't speak to Hungary but here in the US there is a market for used transit busses. People buy used school busses and transit busses and turn them into RVs and all kinds of stuff.
Film them exterior shots guerrilla style getting onto a real bus and them cut to the interior of your rental.

I think the biggest "giveaway" to anyone of this supposed public porn is that no one in the crowd has their camera out to film it themselves.

 

[Kasumi_Lee]

Why on earth would you assume it's an actual piece of public equipment from that area? A bus is a bus. Maybe somebody in Budapest or recent visitors would know it's not an actual piece of public transit equipment for the area, but who else is going to? Even if it is standard transit equipment, governments sell those things for peanuts when they replace them. Anybody could buy them, do a little refurbishing, and rent them out.

That sort of scenario is far more likely than renting actual, in-use public transit equipment. Well, absent scumbags in government letting them do it on the sly and pocketing the money.

It sure looks like an actual public bus and doesn't look refurbished. Although, to be fair, the digital screens indicating the route number and destination are blank; wouldn't want actual Budapest commuters to accidentally board the bus and stumble into the scene during filming!

 

[Kasumi_Lee]

I can't speak to Hungary but here in the US there is a market for used transit busses. People buy used school busses and transit busses and turn them into RVs and all kinds of stuff.

Now that I definitely didn't know before.

 

[NotWise]

Unfortunately, I think LC is right: there's no reality in reality porn. You should assume that in the case of any porn where there is interaction that it's not real. That's especially true where the porn consists of repeated scenarios of the same type staged in the same place.
f the "public."

Something else to keep in mind is that there's a whole film crew associated with the flick. There might be two or three people on camera, but there might be six or more off camera: director, camera man, sound, lighting, liaison, security, sex choreographer, "intimacy coordinator", etc. Digital cameras and low production standards let's porn production get away with smaller crews, but there still has to be a crew.

 

[NotWise]

Probably all transport utilities have buses on reserve, and there's not a lot of reason why extra buses can't be rented out. Usually the owner of the bus would have no say in what the bus was used for, as long as it was returned in the condition is was released in.

 

[TheWritingGroup]

I'm aware of that, which I now realize makes my question look very naive in retrospect, but it's the renting of a public bus (or train carriage in the Japanese case) that feels bizarre. Presumbly those are owned by some local government authority, and I can't help but wonder why they'd even agree to such an arrangement.

At least some Japanese studios seem to have sets dressed to look like a train interior, with the view through the windows composited in.

-Rocco

 

[Kasumi_Lee]

At least some Japanese studios seem to have sets dressed to look like a train interior, with the view through the windows composited in.

-Rocco

Seems like a pretty pricey investment if you factor in the sound effects of a train in motion, but I guess that would make more sense than renting out a piece of public transit for a day or two of filming.

 

[SimonDoom]

Seems like a pretty pricey investment if you factor in the sound effects of a train in motion, but I guess that would make more sense than renting out a piece of public transit for a day or two of filming.

Many of these sites seem to do the same thing over and over again, so it's probably not too pricey on a per-video basis.

 

[TheWritingGroup]

Seems like a pretty pricey investment if you factor in the sound effects of a train in motion, but I guess that would make more sense than renting out a piece of public transit for a day or two of filming.

Have you looked at sites like missav (add .com)? The studios turn out multiple train-molestation videos per week. Lots of them are basically the exact same video, but with a different female lead.

-Rocco

 

[lovecraft68]

It sure looks like an actual public bus and doesn't look refurbished. Although, to be fair, the digital screens indicating the route number and destination are blank; wouldn't want actual Budapest commuters to accidentally board the bus and stumble into the scene during filming!

It could be an actual public bus that was rented out. Or an older one that went up for auction, so no longer used for the public, but still the exact bus.

RR thinks he knows everything, he doesn't.

 

[lovecraft68]

Seems like a pretty pricey investment if you factor in the sound effects of a train in motion, but I guess that would make more sense than renting out a piece of public transit for a day or two of filming.

Most sites, are under an umbrella of a massive site. You ever subscribe to one? I had a sub to Adult Prime for a while and the number of sites beneath them is massive. The porn industry is far from broke and we're a long way from them operating in the dark underworld.

Keep in mind their angle is to film as much as they can as quick as they can, then break up the full scene into mini clips they spread all over the net. If they rented a bus for a week, who knows how many scenes they shoot, and if they bought an out of commission one, it would pay for itself rather quickly.

Are there people here who don't think "Fake Taxi" uses an actual Taxi that was probably bought at an auction however long ago?

 

[StillStunned]

I always assumed they just slipped the bus driver some cash at the end of his shift.

Also: the Japanese train molestation thing became a bit too squicky for me a few years back with all the reports of it happening for real, to underage girls, in India.

 

[Jackie.Hikaru]

As for Japanese AV porn industry, there is unfortunately quite a prevalence of illegal porn filmed in public spaces often with actresses (age dubious) that are tricked or coerced into it. I wouldn’t assume that the “molestation on train” videos are filmed on a legal set… many are not…

 

[SinclairGroupLLP]

If Hollywood can get a bus, Vixen can get a bus. If you look at the prices Blacked.com and other sites are charging, you can understand where the money is coming from. Buying a subscription to Vixen's suite of sites is something like $500 a year.

 

[Kasumi_Lee]

Have you looked at sites like missav (add .com)? The studios turn out multiple train-molestation videos per week. Lots of them are basically the exact same video, but with a different female lead.

-Rocco

Like I said, investing in a setup like that seems pricey but probably makes more sense than renting out an actual bus or train carriage.

JAV studios also seem to have a strong penchant for "series" which literally are the same plot with a different actress. That just seems to be the local industry's business model.

 

[Kasumi_Lee]

As for Japanese AV porn industry, there is unfortunately quite a prevalence of illegal porn filmed in public spaces often with actresses (age dubious) that are tricked or coerced into it. I wouldn’t assume that the “molestation on train” videos are filmed on a legal set… many are not…

I wish there was a vomit emoji available, but the sad emoji is the next best one.