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[YDB95]

Trump is far more like the past Republican Party than JFK is like the current Democratic Party.

Yes, and from a progressive's point of view, that's a good thing.

 

[YDB95]

But it completely undermines the argument that Democrats are moderate and Republicans are extreme that the person who made this thread is trying to make.

No, it doesn't. Not unless you start from the perspective that anyone an inch left of center is a communist, which is pretty clearly where you're coming from.

Progressives are proudly extreme and hate Trump most of all because he actually has sane policies that reflect a successful and powerful America(albeit a shell of that powerful America) while their policies reflect a banana republic.

That tells us all we need to know about your perspective.

Bets on how soon this troll will be gone, folks? I give them a week.

 

[Lazaran]

No, it doesn't. Not unless you start from the perspective that anyone an inch left of center is a communist, which is pretty clearly where you're coming from.

That tells us all we need to know about your perspective.

Bets on how soon this troll will be gone, folks? I give them a week.

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Lazy, derivative RWCJ trolls are the worst.

Tedious and boring AF.

*nods*

 

[YDB95]

Yes it does. You forsake JFK as a right wing extremist when he was actually left of center to radicalize your party while whining about Trump being an extremist despite him actually being quite a bit left of the Republican Party in the past.

1. I never called JFK a right wing extremist (and I don't believe anyone else here did either).
2. He was left of center in 1960. That was over half a century ago, and besides that, there were exceptions. On women's rights, for example, he was mushy middle at best.
3. Trump is an extremist, inasmuch as he has any identifiable ideology at all besides being out for himself. And he's not "quite a bit left" of the Republican party on anything except talking a good game for the white working class. The key word there being "talking", because once he had a chance to help them, instead he cut taxes on the ultra-rich like the Republicans always call for.

Just because you are used to the most insane and anti-intellectual shit being spouted here and everywhere else without any kind of challenge to it doesn’t mean that the person who does challenge it is a “right wing troll”.

Wait, let me get this straight. You support Trump, or at least you think it's unfair to call him an extremist, and you're accusing your opponents of anti-intellectualism? Wingnuts are funny all right.

You are just a tool who can’t handle someone actually attacking the root of your ideology and worldview in any way while you expect to be able to attack any tradition, any value, any grain of knowledge from the past at will.

Overlooking the fact that I have a degree in history (that is, the very definition of gaining knowledge from the past!), "attacking the root of my ideology and worldview" isn't even in the same timezone as what you've been doing here.

 

[YDB95]

1. If you think it is good that the Democrats are further away from JFK than Trump is from past Republicans and you actually think Trump is an extremist then you definitely think JFK is a right wing extremist. JFK was way to the right of Trump on every issue that Democrats hate Trump for.

Are you drunk? Seriously, even Rightguide usually makes more sense than this.

2. Left of center is left of center, the spectrum doesn’t change just because your party constantly needs excuses to be more extreme.

Exactly. Of course, even when you're right, you obviously don't see why.

3. Trump is an 80s/90s popular New York icon, there is nothing extreme about anything he says unless you are criticizing him from a conservative point of view.

He wasn't popular then either, among people who knew anything about the man. He's always been known as an egomaniacal jerk who couldn't manage his way out of a paper bag.

What he says today is nothing compared to what he was saying when he got his Hollywood star.

Irrelevant.

 

[Bray123]

1. If you think it is good that the Democrats are further away from JFK than Trump is from past Republicans and you actually think Trump is an extremist then you definitely think JFK is a right wing extremist. JFK was way to the right of Trump on every issue that Democrats hate Trump for.
2. Left of center is left of center, the spectrum doesn’t change just because your party constantly needs excuses to be more extreme.
3. Trump is an 80s/90s popular New York icon, there is nothing extreme about anything he says unless you are criticizing him from a conservative point of view. What he says today is nothing compared to what he was saying when he got his Hollywood star.

Inasmuch as JFK faced down Russia when it was exporting missiles to Cuba, and Trump is proposing escaping his trials by going to Russia, yes.

 

[YDB95]

I am right and I know exactly why but you were the one who tried to claim the time period in which Kennedy was president was relevant as to whether he was left of center or not. Either he was left of center in 1960 and therefore still left of center today or he was never left of center.

Are you seriously arguing "once left of center = always left of center"? That's absurd, and if you're intelligent enough to work a computer on your own, you know it is.

You can’t admit that he was left of center because that would make the current Democrat establishment extremely far left and nowhere near left of center.

This makes even less sense. You see, I wish Biden were further to the left. So if admitting something would make him "extremely far left", I would have an incentive to do just that.

Trump was extremely popular in the 1980s and 90s(with Democrats), he had a whole damn article from the New York Times on why he should be president and every cameo appearance he made on popular television shows was met with ridiculous cheering from the studio audience.

None of which proves he was popular with the general public, nor that there was any great clamoring for him to run for president.

It wasn’t until he ran as the Republican front runner that he was actually hated by those who used to love him and his ridiculous tv shows. Even when Trump was talking about Obama’s birth certificate the media was perfectly willing to pretend like he just said something dumb that no one should hate him for and he went right back to Celebrity Apprentice like nothing even happened.

Huh? First of all, his nonsense about Obama's birth certificate was "something dumb". Secondly, I assure you, if anyone ran for president on his platform of xenophobia and unapologetic racism, we'd have hated hir regardless of what we might have thought of hir in the past.

The hate that the media has for Trump today is so pathetically artificial but Democrats today are too stupid to understand that it is all an act.

I can almost see why you would want to believe that. Almost.

 

[Bray123]

Russia back then was a communist empire trying to reconfigure the world in opposition to western democracy, today it is a struggling Christian autocratic state.

But of course you hate Russia all the same because they are white.

Russia was transformed under Gorbachov, but under Putin it has reverted to its fantasy of world domination. The Useful Idiot took cash and accepted electoral interference when Putin recognized a disruptive influence in him. Putin is funded by the oligarchs; mobsters who run industry as private fiefdoms with armed support. Now it is expanding into Europe and the Idiot supports that and so do you.

The only people who want a Christian autocratic state are in the MAGAt party.

 

[Bray123]

Trump was extremely popular in the 1980s and 90s(with Democrats),

Trump was a registered Democrat 2001-2009.

His 'reality show' was as fake as most of them, nobody seriously believed that a head of industry would select executives (at any level) in that fashion. Stupid people loved the stupid show and stupid people think that he speaks the truth, when his own lawyers have told the world that he has the right to tell lies in order to retain the presidency against the will of the voters.