Reluctance VS Non-Consent

[RedHairedandFriendly]

I'm bringing this up to the top page so I don't have to start a new thread. . . for an old topic.

My question is why have the Non-consent category if they aren't going to take a rape story. Yes... I fell victim to the axe and my non-consent was rejected. That is okay. . . I have been rejected before, what I don't get is why?????? IT is NON-consent!!!! She said "NO" she Didn't Consent!!!!

Yes, this story was violent. She was raped, but if they are going to want someone to "enjoy" it and be "willing" to some extent then it is reluctance, not non-consent???

The story is on the threads in my Read a bit thread on Playgrounders. It may get pulled and if it does. Okay, but you know. . . I can't rewrite it to make rape okay for Lit. to fill better and call it reluctance.

 

[Olivia_Yearns]

Violent rape turns me off completely, and I still want authors to be free to explore it. Rape is so common in the world. Even more common is the almost universal experience of pleasure in someone's suffering. It is one of our ugliest human aspects, and it is true. I see that pleasure in suffering in some of the stories I've looked at today (I'm new here), so it's a grey area - you can have it in a story, but you have to sneak it in. A NC story wants the victim's distress to be central - that's the core of the story, no? I don't want to read about physical force, but emotional control, manipulation, humilliation - these things work for me. Is one better or worse?

I suspect that reluctance stories are mostly about overcoming inhibition in the "victim". I suspect that genuine rape fantasies are a response to the rapist's deep feelings of powerlessness in relation to women. I suspect that every rape is a revenge, and that the complete lack of compassion comes from rage at an old injury. Rape, and the rage it is based on, is a coverup for the old pain. Is that too obvious to even state?

In any case, I wouldn't bother reading a rape story, unless it addressed this underlayer somehow.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

My Stockholm Syndrome will probably be NC/reluctance (more reluctance than non-consent, as will be clear when it is posted), if I ever manage to find time to edit it to make the characters all of age.

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

Well my nonconsent was just that. If they don't want nonconsent then pitch it in the name. I'm writing a reluctant one now. But the original stays, I won't clean it up so it is acceptable to rape someone.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Well my nonconsent was just that. If they don't want nonconsent then pitch it in the name. I'm writing a reluctant one now. But the original stays, I won't clean it up so it is acceptable to rape someone.

Sounds interesting. What's it called?

 

[Recidiva]

This depends completely on what you want to experience and from which viewpoint.

Reluctance often focuses on the viewpoint of the person who is reluctant and the process of being convinced. This can be experienced fictionally and in reality without trauma.

Nonconsent is completely in the viewpoint and fantasy of taking what is wanted without concern for someone else. For me to experience this, it has to be clearly in the realm of fiction. I can't tolerate this in reality, and any instances of it makes me sick, but there's an artistic line to be drawn where I can watch murder and trauma and conflict on a screen and think it's affecting and art, and I can respond to it, but if it's real, I will reject the entire thing and probably be physically sick.

They can both be very well done, and have a completely different flavor to them. Mostly depends on how well the views are expressed and executed.

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

Sounds interesting. What's it called?

It is posted in my Red's pop in, chat, and read a bit thread Post #250 - Passing of a Crown. The premise of the thread is of course explained in the first post.

I'm writing the reluctance piece now. The non-consent was rejected by lit.

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

This depends completely on what you want to experience and from which viewpoint.

Reluctance often focuses on the viewpoint of the person who is reluctant and the process of being convinced. This can be experienced fictionally and in reality without trauma.

Nonconsent is completely in the viewpoint and fantasy of taking what is wanted without concern for someone else. For me to experience this, it has to be clearly in the realm of fiction. I can't tolerate this in reality, and any instances of it makes me sick, but there's an artistic line to be drawn where I can watch murder and trauma and conflict on a screen and think it's affecting and art, and I can respond to it, but if it's real, I will reject the entire thing and probably be physically sick.

They can both be very well done, and have a completely different flavor to them. Mostly depends on how well the views are expressed and executed.

This story was written not to turn someone on or do a fantasy. It was a nonconsent story. Rape. No if ands or but about it. If they want nonconsent to encourage a fantasy of rape then they need to say that more clearly... Rape Fantasy/Reluctance category.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

It is posted in my Red's pop in, chat, and read a bit thread Post #250 - Passing of a Crown. The premise of the thread is of course explained in the first post.

I'm writing the reluctance piece now. The non-consent was rejected by lit.

Interesting. Well, I hope that the reluctance one passes through, at least. My strongest NC story so far is "Selfish Mom", but I managed to make it have a hint that iit might become reluctance in time. That helped, I think. It's basically a lesbian NC set in the backdrop of a chaotic future.

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

Interesting. Well, I hope that the reluctance one passes through, at least. My strongest NC story so far is "Selfish Mom", but I managed to make it have a hint that iit might become reluctance in time. That helped, I think. It's basically a lesbian NC set in the backdrop of a chaotic future.

I think it will... It is sooooo far on the opposite side that it is clearly reluctant.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I think it will... It is sooooo far on the opposite side that it is clearly reluctant.

Ah, I see. I'm just pleased that they approved "Selfish Mom". I had serious worries about that one. The violent nature of the initial sexual assault had me worried. After that, of course, it's more intimidation and brainwashing.

Actually, to think about it, though, the 2nd and 3rd chapters were more reluctance than NC.

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

Ah, I see. I'm just pleased that they approved "Selfish Mom". I had serious worries about that one. The violent nature of the initial sexual assault had me worried. After that, of course, it's more intimidation and brainwashing.

Actually, to think about it, though, the 2nd and 3rd chapters were more reluctance than NC.

I can't see them denying this one. It is a reluntance/blackmail, the other was rape.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I can't see them denying this one. It is a reluntance/blackmail, the other was rape.

Ah, blackmail. A personal favorite theme of mine.

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

Ah, blackmail. A personal favorite theme of mine.

Well... hope it makes since... this girl's in a lot of trouble. I'm doing what I can to keep all my characters straight.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Well... hope it makes since... this girl's in a lot of trouble. I'm doing what I can to keep all my characters straight.

Sounds like fun. My "Hank" series involves blackmail too, of a cheating wife and a minister.

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

Sounds like fun. My "Hank" series involves blackmail too, of a cheating wife and a minister.

Well its my first black mail too. lol

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Well its my first black mail too. lol

Neat. Hope it gets approved.

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

Neat. Hope it gets approved.

If not... I'll have to reach through the screen and hurt somebody.