Republican Party sliding towards Facism

[The_Trouvere]

Full Definition of fascism

often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
http://beta.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

It is as unhelpful to accuse the Republicans of being fascists as it is to accuse the Democrats of being Communists.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Donald Trump gets away with his lies because they reflect the hatred millions of white people feel for Negroes and Arabs.

Donald Trump says what millions of whites have thought for decades, but were afraid to say. When Trump says those things and gets away with it, the constraints of political correctness weaken.

 

[PoppingTom]

Full Definition of fascism

often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
http://beta.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

It is as unhelpful to accuse the Republicans of being fascists as it is to accuse the Democrats of being Communists.

The accusation was a tendency to fascism. Only the craving for an "autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader" is missed so far, though Trump likes to play that role.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

The accusation was a tendency to fascism. Only the craving for an "autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader" is missed so far, though Trump likes to play that role.

u r one of those socialist ... therefore u r certified retarded

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

Full Definition of fascism

often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
http://beta.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Sounds like Trump to me.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Sounds like Trump to me.

are you one of those obama kind?

 

[klippert]

catching up to Democrats...That will piss them off...they thought they has a Monopoly on the 4th Reich

 

[NeverEndingMe]

free derp juice to smoke ... just become one of the obama slaves

 

[Hard_Rom]

Donald Trump gets away with his lies because they reflect the hatred millions of white people feel for Negroes and Arabs.

Donald Trump says what millions of whites have thought for decades, but were afraid to say. When Trump says those things and gets away with it, the constraints of political correctness weaken.

Damn good thing there are tens and hundreds of millions who do not feel the same hatred. Damn good thing for democracy where the rule of law trumps all or a vocal minority could insight enough fear and suspicion to be able to forward their hateful agendas. Even a majority in a scared and traumatized society cannot enact illegal laws. That is why we have constitutions. Written or unwritten.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4gVcHE2HcU

For our Usual Suspects.

 

[MichaelinChina]

what do you mean 'sliding towards Fascism'.

It's already there!

Trump would look the part in a crisp SS uniform! He can't wait to wear it!

 

[MichaelinChina]

catching up to Democrats...That will piss them off...they thought they has a Monopoly on the 4th Reich

You have successfully misread the Democrats! Are you that politically naïve?

 

[NOIRTRASH]

what do you mean 'sliding towards Fascism'.

It's already there!

Trump would look the part in a crisp SS uniform! He can't wait to wear it!

We'll get our Hitler.

Listen to Hitler, he never-ever said anything rash or offensive. He always spoke of how wonderful Germany and Germans are. If you examine his actions he almost always acted against real German enemies, like the French and Russians and Polish. The Poles were really attacking German border towns before Hitler invaded. The French really tried to get Bavaria to secede. The French really invaded the Ruhr. Stalin really planned to invade Germany. America stole everything not on fire in Germany. And Wilson put Jews in charge of the looting.

Its all there in the records.

Hitler was a master NOW I'VE GOT YOU, SOB player. He collected insults and injuries till he had enough to redeem for a crisis and conquest.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Fascism

Which part doesn’t apply?


There are a thousand definitions for fascism, most of them concocted simply to show that what you’re doing isn’t a step in the direction of fascism, but what that other guy proposes certainly would be. But I’m not saying we’re moving toward fascism. I’m saying we started that drift a long time ago, and now we’re well across the line. We started by labeling minorities in our own cities as "welfare queens" and constructed a mythology that drove a wedge through our nation. We started by equating democratic action with sure failure, and elevating capitalism into a cause. We started … and we kept going.

We went there when we we turned greed—the kind of sick, envious greed that makes people value the rich over the poor and corporations over individuals—into not only a virtue, but a cornerstone of our nation cemented in place by repeated Supreme Court rulings that certify the preeminent position of wealth and corporate power.

We went there when we turned nationalism—blind prejudice against those who don’t conform to the image of “us”—into a flag-waving patriotism that’s expressed in calls to enforce state religion and turn even those born here into “other” if they don’t have the right skin tone. We went there when we used that nationalism to fuel unwarranted invasions that destabilized huge portions of the world and directly drove the terrorism that we’re now using to fuel yet more nationalism and more attacks and more terrorism and more nationalism in an insane, self-reinforcing loop.

We went there when we turned fear—quivering, knock-kneed jittery cowardice—into the illusion of “being tough” by throwing our freedoms away in double handfuls. It was that fear (and keen lobbying from defense contractors) that caused us, with no justification whatsoever, to begin funneling military equipment into our police forces, and to replace "protect and serve" with "dominate and control."

This is a year in which not only the leading candidate for the GOP nomination, but all major candidates have favored building a "permanent border wall" separating America from neighboring nations and justifying this wall on the basis of racist caricature of immigrants. A year where the idea of internment camps isn't restricted to the GOP. It’s a year in which protests have been met by tanks. In which reason is decried as weakness. In which we’ve taken all our worst instincts, and held them up proudly.

gsgs comment -

We have militarized police, with tanks, bomb proof humvees, armored trucks.
We have non lethal weapons that maim, torture, and cause fear and terror.

Do not tase me, do not break my eardrums, do not heat my body until it burns.
Do not pour tear gas into my face. Do not put my eye out with a rubber bullet.
Do not pierce my brain with a canister launched out of a rifle.
Do not break my spine by pulling on my neck.
Do not beat me until my bones break.
Do not piss on my grave.
Do not sexually maul me.
Do not kill me.

I have no weapon. I am not aggressive. I do not pose a threat.
I have a legal right to protest when someone loses their right
to live.

Hate may be your hobby, but I should not be forced to pay the price for your entertainment.
You are given public trust, in belief that you will follow the law, not destroy the law from within.

End gsgs comment/

Sinclair Lewis never actually said “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross, ” but he should have. And he should have mentioned that no one would dare speak its name.

"Our American values are not luxuries but necessities—not the salt in our bread, but the bread itself. Our common vision of a free and just society is our greatest source of cohesion at home and strength abroad—greater than the bounty of our material blessings." — Jimmy Carter

Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives. — Ronald Reagan

“In terms of accomplishments, my biggest accomplishment is that I kept the country safe amidst a real danger.” — George W. Bush


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...ism-and-we-should-say-it-clearly-while-we-can

Totalitarian Christian theocracy should not be allowed to overthrow the United States government.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

You have successfully misread the Democrats! Are you that politically naïve?

yes, they are evil. obama training camps just like ISIS has

 

[NeverEndingMe]

how much juice have you smoked today?

Fascism

Which part doesn’t apply?


There are a thousand definitions for fascism, most of them concocted simply to show that what you’re doing isn’t a step in the direction of fascism, but what that other guy proposes certainly would be. But I’m not saying we’re moving toward fascism. I’m saying we started that drift a long time ago, and now we’re well across the line. We started by labeling minorities in our own cities as "welfare queens" and constructed a mythology that drove a wedge through our nation. We started by equating democratic action with sure failure, and elevating capitalism into a cause. We started … and we kept going.

We went there when we we turned greed—the kind of sick, envious greed that makes people value the rich over the poor and corporations over individuals—into not only a virtue, but a cornerstone of our nation cemented in place by repeated Supreme Court rulings that certify the preeminent position of wealth and corporate power.

We went there when we turned nationalism—blind prejudice against those who don’t conform to the image of “us”—into a flag-waving patriotism that’s expressed in calls to enforce state religion and turn even those born here into “other” if they don’t have the right skin tone. We went there when we used that nationalism to fuel unwarranted invasions that destabilized huge portions of the world and directly drove the terrorism that we’re now using to fuel yet more nationalism and more attacks and more terrorism and more nationalism in an insane, self-reinforcing loop.

We went there when we turned fear—quivering, knock-kneed jittery cowardice—into the illusion of “being tough” by throwing our freedoms away in double handfuls. It was that fear (and keen lobbying from defense contractors) that caused us, with no justification whatsoever, to begin funneling military equipment into our police forces, and to replace "protect and serve" with "dominate and control."

This is a year in which not only the leading candidate for the GOP nomination, but all major candidates have favored building a "permanent border wall" separating America from neighboring nations and justifying this wall on the basis of racist caricature of immigrants. A year where the idea of internment camps isn't restricted to the GOP. It’s a year in which protests have been met by tanks. In which reason is decried as weakness. In which we’ve taken all our worst instincts, and held them up proudly.

gsgs comment -

We have militarized police, with tanks, bomb proof humvees, armored trucks.
We have non lethal weapons that maim, torture, and cause fear and terror.

Do not tase me, do not break my eardrums, do not heat my body until it burns.
Do not pour tear gas into my face. Do not put my eye out with a rubber bullet.
Do not pierce my brain with a canister launched out of a rifle.
Do not break my spine by pulling on my neck.
Do not beat me until my bones break.
Do not piss on my grave.
Do not sexually maul me.
Do not kill me.

I have no weapon. I am not aggressive. I do not pose a threat.
I have a legal right to protest when someone loses their right
to live.

Hate may be your hobby, but I should not be forced to pay the price for your entertainment.
You are given public trust, in belief that you will follow the law, not destroy the law from within.

End gsgs comment/

Sinclair Lewis never actually said “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross, ” but he should have. And he should have mentioned that no one would dare speak its name.

"Our American values are not luxuries but necessities—not the salt in our bread, but the bread itself. Our common vision of a free and just society is our greatest source of cohesion at home and strength abroad—greater than the bounty of our material blessings." — Jimmy Carter

Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives. — Ronald Reagan

“In terms of accomplishments, my biggest accomplishment is that I kept the country safe amidst a real danger.” — George W. Bush


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...ism-and-we-should-say-it-clearly-while-we-can

Totalitarian Christian theocracy should not be allowed to overthrow the United States government.

 

[Hard_Rom]

We'll get our Hitler.

We got Hitler! Took a lot of people to die first though.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pxBZ_KUoQjU/SwMpJsGF_6I/AAAAAAAAD8U/Fo1nUmb7M1I/s1600/hitlerdead5.jpg

What you need is a resistance fighter to overthrow the corrupt regime in power. One who knew how to fight and stood as a beacon of hope. And reconciliation after he had restored the country to the people.

http://bkbcampaignwatch.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/NelsonMandela.jpg

 

[The_Trouvere]

Why don't more posters respond to NeverEndingMe with the contempt that he/she/it deserves? Has everybody else put him/her/it on ignore?

 

[Nathan_Brazil]

Yes

Yes... On ignore.

 

[The_Trouvere]

There never was a Fascist International. Therefore there is no common definition of Fascism.

If a Fascist party has to have storm troopers, the Republican Party has not yet become similar to what the Nazi and the Italian Fascist parties were.

Donald Trump is a demagogue. He is still a long way from approximating the menace of Adolf Hitler, or even Benito Mussolini.

I think it is as unhelpful to call the Republican Party "Fascist" as it is to call the Democratic Party "Marxist."

I think it is more useful to discuss the constituencies that make up the Republican Party, and to try to understand why they support it. There are the Tea Party people, the Religious Right, and the gun lovers. There is some overlap between these constituencies, but they still have different core concerns. There are also libertarians. These can be seen as Republicans who like illegal drugs and pornography, and who dislike going to church. Most right wing posters on Literotica seem to fit into this category.

At the leadership level the Republican Party consists of reactionaries and right wing radicals. The reactionaries want to repeal as much of the New Deal reforms as they can. The right wing radicals advocate untried economic experiments, like a national sales tax.

The reactionaries and the right wing radicals both advocate economic policies that would make the rich richer at the expense of everyone else.

It is probably the case that for most of the Republican rank and file the golden era was not the 1920's, or the nineteenth century, but the 1950's. What these Republicans forget is that during the 1950's the top tax rate never got below 91%, and one third of the work force belonged to labor unions.

I was a child back then. It was a good time to be a child. Divorces were rare. The illegitimacy rate was about 6 percent. Children tend to do better in life when they are raised by both biological parents living together in matrimony. Most Americans went to church on Sunday, or to a synagogue on Saturday.

Nevertheless, in a country like the United States there is little the government can do to influence sexual and religious behavior, so these are not really political issues.

The only thing the leaders of the GOP agree on is that we should cut taxes for the rich. Those cuts will not restore the ethos of the 1950's, any more than they did during the Reagan administration.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Hitler was supported by the industrial/military complex in Germany.
A major economic catastrophe plus terror attacks.
A large section of population not totally against nationalistic and racial government.
And you have the chance of a Hitler type figure arising.

Germans took wheelbarrows with them to carry cash. Foreign troops occupied industrial heartland. Rival political systems rioted in the street. Numerous putsches and killings. Armed wings for each party. It ain't that bad yet.

Maybe closer to Mussolini. He was a Marxist first. Trump has contributed to Democratic Party causes. El Duce quite the populist like The Donald.

LBJ was the biggest liberal reformer in my opinion. He got Vietnam wrong but greatly advanced a more socialist America. The left was radical in his day. SLA, Weathermen, Black Panthers and such. That drove America in response to be more conservative than the success of the 60s hippies would have indicated.

Now we are seeing a radicalized right. And it is radicalization that western democracies do not like. The US most of all. Radical communists, radical fascists, radical Muslims, radical anti-abortion shooters, radical students. All the extreme ISMs are the enemy of social liberal democracies.

Fascist has a racial aspect. As soon as you extoll one "race" over another or denigrate one over another, you take a huge slide over into fascism.

England flirted with Fascism before WW2. Conditions were not near as bad as Germany but times were tough. For reasons I haven't researched it never took hold. Lots of racist, anti-Semite and nationalistic feeling back then in the UK. And t' bludday Irish! IRA strongly Marxist for awhile yet still nationalistic, religion/ethnic based group.

Fascism probably had the appeal of Puritan rule. England has seen Puritan rule. No Shakespeare, fornicating or Sunday games.

 

[JackLuis]

Research Smedly Butler, twice CMH winner, in the mid-30s he was approached to lead a rebellion financed by "Eastern Financial Interests". If Gen Butler had not been a American Patriot the 1940's might have been different!

The is no fascist party, until the fascists need one. The TEA party seemed to be that type of thing, but they just took over the Repug's. the fascist's in the USA are still looking for their American Hitler.

I read about the Yellow Shirts in Mexico in the '40's. They were a RWNJ group who wanted more State Control of the corruption in Mexico. They faded away after a while.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Research Smedly Butler, twice CMH winner, in the mid-30s he was approached to lead a rebellion financed by "Eastern Financial Interests". If Gen Butler had not been a American Patriot the 1940's might have been different!

The is no fascist party, until the fascists need one. The TEA party seemed to be that type of thing, but they just took over the Repug's. the fascist's in the USA are still looking for their American Hitler.

The closest thing fascists are likely to get is Donald Trump. Trump still lacks uniformed storm troopers to intimidate his opponents.

A dangerous fascist leader would probably need to be younger than Trump.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

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