Republican war on the Middle Class: what's next?

[Wok]

that muslim guy looks white...I guess the cartoonist didn't want to offend muslims with an honest depiction...bravo Mike !

What is your "honest" depiction?

 

[Saint Peter]

The almighty Wiki even has a hard time.

http://www.blackagendareport.com/images/stories/099/middle-class.JPG

Mine is the tan one!!

 

[Wok]

Mine is the tan one!!

The McMansions are better.

 

[Wrong Element]

You'd do poorly too if you had the fruits of your labor taxed away and eroded by inflation.

Inflation hasn't been much of an issue of late, but regarding taxes, that's what many of us have been saying for years: taxes paid by the middle class have gone up or remained static, while the wealthy have made out wonderfully.

It's incredible that less than three years after the greatest minds in Wall Street nearly wrecked the world economy, we seem to have reached a national consensus on who is to blame for all our problems: the unions, currently less powerful than at any time since the 1920s.

 

[Luk]

Mine is the tan one!!

Elitist!

 

[jeninflorida]

please join us in the 21 century!

the union has nothing to do with the middle class....sorry!

that is saying you demand Sony to bring back the Beta tape....

The end goal is to get rid of political power for the middle class. Republicans are going after unions for public workers now.

What's next?

 

[Sean Renaud]

The end goal is to get rid of political power for the middle class. Republicans are going after unions for public workers now.

What's next?

What next? Nothing next. Don't you see it Over? This is end game manuevering. You may as well ask what happens after the British capture Washington or the Nazi's get DC. There IS NOTHING AFTER. This is where you die and they win. And at some point down the road I lament not having clearly chosen a side earlier.

You need to define 'middle-class' correctly. Strictly speaking the middle-class have no supervisors. If someone besides you gives you a paycheck youre a peasant....regardless of what you earn. A nurse is a peasant, an MD is middle-class. If your income comes from investments, dividends, and interest...youre upper class.

Bullshit.

Damn straight, bought time somebody put a stop to their looting spree of the state treasuries. That is the end goal. You see the taxpayer has more of a right to what's left of their earnings than public employees have a right to a job.

Why don't you atleast make an effort to be honest and say the super rich have more right to be super rich than the public has a right to have teachers? As you'll point out later?

Unions are and always have been a joke; a rebirth of the feudal medieveal 'guild' system, that benefitted selected workers and left the common man to the mercies of begging from the unionized and theocratic rulers.

"Right to work" should be the rule across the board.

No Union should be able to force a worker to pay dues.

Amicus

What you mean is they have always been all about the middle class and are it's sole defense against predation and have been heading all the way back to the begining before there was a proper word for em.

You'd do poorly too if you had the fruits of your labor taxed away and eroded by inflation.

Look, get real. The top one percent are paying 40 some percent of tax revenue. You have half the country not paying any income taxes. The fact that Middle class gets clobbered with taxes is a simple matter of demographic reality, a matter of arithmetic.

See. If the top 1% are paying nearly half of the taxes and the next 49% are picking the other 60% how are taxes doing much of anything to the middle class? The middle for the moment being defined rationally as the 30th-60th percentile. You're correct knowledge is that really middle class should probably be more like 50th- 80th percentile but I'm giving you benefit of the doubt and pretending the world is as it ought not as it is.

They clearly aren't being bled dry by taxes they aren't even paying. And this is by your own admission, no traps no additions no nothing from me.

please join us in the 21 century!

the union has nothing to do with the middle class....sorry!

that is saying you demand Sony to bring back the Beta tape....

No Jen. It's about demanding you get paid for your work. No employer in their right mind would pay you decent wages if they weren't forced at gun point. There is no reason to. It's not even about good and evil it's about common business sense.

 

[overthebow]

David Horsey

http://blog.seattlepi.com/davidhorsey/files/2011/02/Survivor-2-23-11-color-640x485.jpg

 

[JenAltArmy]

if you don't like the pay, jump ship. find a new job

What next? Nothing next. Don't you see it Over? This is end game manuevering. You may as well ask what happens after the British capture Washington or the Nazi's get DC. There IS NOTHING AFTER. This is where you die and they win. And at some point down the road I lament not having clearly chosen a side earlier.



Bullshit.



Why don't you atleast make an effort to be honest and say the super rich have more right to be super rich than the public has a right to have teachers? As you'll point out later?



What you mean is they have always been all about the middle class and are it's sole defense against predation and have been heading all the way back to the begining before there was a proper word for em.





See. If the top 1% are paying nearly half of the taxes and the next 49% are picking the other 60% how are taxes doing much of anything to the middle class? The middle for the moment being defined rationally as the 30th-60th percentile. You're correct knowledge is that really middle class should probably be more like 50th- 80th percentile but I'm giving you benefit of the doubt and pretending the world is as it ought not as it is.

They clearly aren't being bled dry by taxes they aren't even paying. And this is by your own admission, no traps no additions no nothing from me.



No Jen. It's about demanding you get paid for your work. No employer in their right mind would pay you decent wages if they weren't forced at gun point. There is no reason to. It's not even about good and evil it's about common business sense.

 

[JenAltArmy]

look at the deal that obama gave to wall street. you have it backwards, obama doesn't want a middle class. obama wants to keep his power base, and that is by keeping people down

David Horsey

http://blog.seattlepi.com/davidhorsey/files/2011/02/Survivor-2-23-11-color-640x485.jpg

 

[Sean Renaud]

if you don't like the pay, jump ship. find a new job

Can't. There is only one ship. In many places that's already the deal. How long can you tread water?

look at the deal that obama gave to wall street. you have it backwards, obama doesn't want a middle class. obama wants to keep his power base, and that is by keeping people down

Sad but not entirely impossible. We might have been sold a conservative in centr. . . I mean liberal clothing.

 

[overthebow]

Republicans don't like unions.

How does that work out?

http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-b...r-unions-lower-satact-scores-any-correlation/

Only five states do not have collective bargaining for educators and have deemed it illegal.

Those states and their ACT/SAT rankings are as follows:

South Carolina – 50th

North Carolina – 49th

Georgia – 48th

Texas – 47th

Virginia – 44th

If you are wondering, Wisconsin, with its collective bargaining for teachers, is ranked 2nd in the country.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Link?

 

[overthebow]

Link?

Link to what?

 

[Sean Renaud]

nvm you had one and I didnt' see it.

 

[Daehreppoc]

When the ship begins to sink, the rats fight for positon...

 

[Ham Murabi]

From the link I posted earlier in this thread:

Yearly Income:
Top .01% - $27,342,212
Top .01% - 1% - $3,238,386
Top 1% -$1,137,684
Top 1-10% - $164,647
Bottom 90% - $31,244

So whom did the Bush tax cuts help?

Gee, I don't know. Why do you suppose it was so important to the Democrats to keep all those cuts that weren't for "the rich"?

 

[Powertone]

What is your "honest" depiction?

not a chubby white guy

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Republicans don't like unions.

How does that work out?

http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-b...r-unions-lower-satact-scores-any-correlation/

Most of the Niggaz live in these places; what were you expecting?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Someone needs to define middle class because it's all over the place. I don't see government workers as middle class.

Its simple. The middle class do not have supervisors, and they pay their own salaries from the income they produce.

Farmers are middle-class, teachers arent.

 

[RightField]

Inflation hasn't been much of an issue of late, but regarding taxes, that's what many of us have been saying for years: taxes paid by the middle class have gone up or remained static, while the wealthy have made out wonderfully.

It's incredible that less than three years after the greatest minds in Wall Street nearly wrecked the world economy, we seem to have reached a national consensus on who is to blame for all our problems: the unions, currently less powerful than at any time since the 1920s.

The politicians ruined the economy. They went to the loan originators and said "Make loans to anyone who wants one...it's the "fair" thing to do and we believe in social engineering". The loan originators said "Are you nuts, why should I?" The dems said "You'll get commisions!" The loan originators said "Yeah, but I'll lose money when the loans go bad." The dems just said "Oh, no problem, just make the loans, collect the commisions and we'll guarantee the loans". The loan originators said "No problem, you want social engineering so bad that you'll guarantee that I can't lose on it, fine".

The financial people recognized what crap they were getting and came up with some creative ways to package the loans to spread the risk to make them minimally marketable (with the government guarantees still in effect).

Of course, when the whole thing fell apart, the dems did what they always do and tried to blame someone else for the problem that they created. There are even some weak-minded people who don't understand how it all came together and actually believe this pretty weak attempt at shifting the blame to someone else and in a great display of very public ignorance will say "It's Wall Street's fault". Now, it's been repeated so often that more people actually believe it and are repeating it.

Have you ever noticed that the people who are so quick to say "Wall Street screwed us" can't come up with a cogent explanation of exactly how they did that?

It's because it's the dems did it. Republicans share a little blame because they should have stopped the practice. Actually, Bush tried to stop the irresponsible lending practices and tried to establish some lending standards, but was met with a loud outcry of "Racist" (because lending standards is prejudicial of course) from both dems and the main media.

 

[Lancecastor]

From the link I posted earlier in this thread:

Yearly Income:
Top .01% - $27,342,212
Top .01% - 1% - $3,238,386
Top 1% -$1,137,684
Top 1-10% - $164,647
Bottom 90% - $31,244

Most Americans are serfs, believing and doing what the rich tell them.

 

[Drixxx]

The politicians ruined the economy. They went to the loan originators and said "Make loans to anyone who wants one...it's the "fair" thing to do and we believe in social engineering". The loan originators said "Are you nuts, why should I?" The dems said "You'll get commisions!" The loan originators said "Yeah, but I'll lose money when the loans go bad." The dems just said "Oh, no problem, just make the loans, collect the commisions and we'll guarantee the loans". The loan originators said "No problem, you want social engineering so bad that you'll guarantee that I can't lose on it, fine".

The financial people recognized what crap they were getting and came up with some creative ways to package the loans to spread the risk to make them minimally marketable (with the government guarantees still in effect).

Of course, when the whole thing fell apart, the dems did what they always do and tried to blame someone else for the problem that they created. There are even some weak-minded people who don't understand how it all came together and actually believe this pretty weak attempt at shifting the blame to someone else and in a great display of very public ignorance will say "It's Wall Street's fault". Now, it's been repeated so often that more people actually believe it and are repeating it.

Have you ever noticed that the people who are so quick to say "Wall Street screwed us" can't come up with a cogent explanation of exactly how they did that?

It's because it's the dems did it. Republicans share a little blame because they should have stopped the practice. Actually, Bush tried to stop the irresponsible lending practices and tried to establish some lending standards, but was met with a loud outcry of "Racist" (because lending standards is prejudicial of course) from both dems and the main media.

You really believe that crazy shit?

 

[Lancecastor]

You really believe that crazy shit?

It's pretty accurate.

 

[RightField]

No Jen. It's about demanding you get paid for your work. No employer in their right mind would pay you decent wages if they weren't forced at gun point. There is no reason to. It's not even about good and evil it's about common business sense.

Competition is what keeps wages up, not some faceless democrat bureacrat in Washington or some recently elected natioal leader who has regal dreams and who's main concern is to figure out a way for payola in the form of millions in campaign donations get back into his pocket.

Competition. It is the most "fair" arbitor because it's based on the actions of hundreds and thousands if not millions of people making decisions on what to spend their money on depending on their own personal needs and desires....their "pursuit of happiness"

We do not live in a country that believes in "command economy" where the some faceless government bureaucrat tells us what everyone should earn "to be fair". Our Constitution is the antithesis of a "command economy".