Rethinking Gun Control

[Ulaven_Demorte]

You have openly supported banning rifle accessories to solve a handgun issue more than once. Sorry.....but on the subject of gun control I can't take you much more seriously than the "BUT HITLER!!" crowd until you prove not to be a typical LW anti gun whackadoodle.

Honesty and truth won't let me....

Clueless. I was actually arguing on YOUR side.

As for the typical LW anti gun whackadoodle comment.
I own 2 pistols, 5 rifles (including one of those black scary looking ones), a shotgun and have a CCW from Florida.

As you said, try again.

 

[Que]

But nowhere near as many as handguns.......

Should have completed that loop.

Used to be that it was "Handgun Control, Inc." Until the realized that handguns are favored by an awful lot of people with legitimate self-defesnse issues. Women with scary exes, people that have to work in dangerous areas doing dangerous things, so the backed off and lately it is all about taking a bite of the apple with scary black long-guns.

Hand guns kill a lot of gang members. And I am not talking about the ones held by cops.

Remove handguns that are illegally in the hands of felon gang members and we no longer have a gun violence problem in this country. No law does an such thing.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Clueless. I was actually arguing on YOUR side.

As for the typical LW anti gun whackadoodle comment.
I own 2 pistols, 5 rifles (including one of those black scary looking ones), a shotgun and have a CCW from Florida.

As you said, try again.

1) you weren't arguing anything, you were shit talking query.

2)So you NEVER supported an Assault Weapons ban of any kind ever? If I am mistaken about that I do apologize, I genuinely though you did support that derp.

Remove handguns that are illegally in the hands of felon gang members and we no longer have a gun violence problem in this country. No law does an such thing.

A little simplistic to say the least considering gun violence isn't limited to gang members must not watch much news.

Of course not, the mere thought that it could is ab-fucking-surd to be sure.

But don't you think there could be laws used as tools by LEO's to HELP get more illegally possessed guns out of crazy/asshole hands???

Or are you of the typical RW "Moar guns for everyone, no restrictions cuz freedumb is the answer!!" lot of derp??

 

[Ramone45]

Only temporally.

As soon as the "Tradition > logic and reason" crowd (mostly the RW'ers like yourself) die off....we as a nation are going to restrict access to firearm purchases.


Tick tock....

Wrong. The same thing was said about drug laws in the 60's. The peace, love, dove generation was going to change everything once the establishment died off. meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Wrong. The same thing was said about drug laws in the 60's. The peace, love, dove generation was going to change everything once the establishment died off. meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

They were right...

http://s2.hubimg.com/u/8519743_f520.jpghttp://www.greentaag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Cannabis-States-of-America-2014-Map.png


And more legalized just last month. You and your anti freedom crews are losing that war HORRIBLY....EPIC FUCKING FAILURE. The will of the people has prevailed in spite of the Reich Wings best efforts.....let freedom ring baby!!

Fuck I'm rolling one right now, Sheriff knows all about it, he signs off on my gardens every spring.

Where have you been?

 

[Ramone45]

They were right...

http://s2.hubimg.com/u/8519743_f520.jpg


And more legalized just last month.

Where have you been?

Are you kidding me. 50 years and we STILL have children suffering and dying because they can't get medical cannabis. Sheesh. Talk about baby steps.

 

[Ramone45]

They were right...

http://s2.hubimg.com/u/8519743_f520.jpg


And more legalized just last month. You and your anti freedom crews are losing that war HORRIBLY....EPIC FUCKING FAILURE.

Fuck I'm rolling one right now, Sheriff knows all about it, he signs off on my gardens every spring.

Where have you been?

Anti-freedom LOL. From the gun control guy.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Are you kidding me. 50 years and we STILL have children suffering and dying because they can't get medical cannabis. Sheesh. Talk about baby steps.

Most of them staunchly republican....imagine that.

And it doesn't change the fact that you were wrong, and the liburhul hippies were right.
http://www.theminimalists.com/files/2011/11/Hippie.jpg

 

[Ramone45]

Most of them staunchly republican....imagine that.

And it doesn't change the fact that you were wrong, and the liburhul hippies were right.
http://www.theminimalists.com/files/2011/11/Hippie.jpg

Peace. It just bothers me when it gets personal; not because it hurts my feelings but because it makes you look ignorant (which you are not). Hoping for the death of a generation is disgraceful especially when the next generation will hope for your demise. I am for the immediate legalization, regulation and taxation of ALL drugs. On gun control, laws will only affect people like me who are inclined to obey them. They have ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT on criminals. You should have the courage to say what you REALLY want.

 

[Que]

1) you weren't arguing anything, you were shit talking query.

2)So you NEVER supported an Assault Weapons ban of any kind ever? If I am mistaken about that I do apologize, I genuinely though you did support that derp.



A little simplistic to say the least considering gun violence isn't limited to gang members must not watch much news.

Of course not, the mere thought that it could is ab-fucking-surd to be sure.

But don't you think there could be laws used as tools by LEO's to HELP get more illegally possessed guns out of crazy/asshole hands???

Or are you of the typical RW "Moar guns for everyone, no restrictions cuz freedumb is the answer!!" lot of derp??

I support banning nothing. It is pointless. People that want to kill know where to get a gun. They do not fill out papers.

The few suicides and domestics will use pills, jump or stab or bludgeon the person. I would think stabbing would be more cathartic for them anyway.

 

[Kitty]

Aside from it being a Constitutional right, why exactly do people need guns? Anyway, the right to bear arms initially was for people in enforcing situations like law enforcement and military to be able to carry guns. Somehow down the line it became a right for the general public, ruefully.

But the fucking NRA refuse to acknowledge this. I wish they would take their lovely prized guns and off themselves with them.

 

[Que]

Aside from it being a Constitutional right, why exactly do people need guns? Anyway, the right to bear arms initially was for people in enforcing situations like law enforcement and military to be able to carry guns. Somehow down the line it became a right for the general public, ruefully.

But the fucking NRA refuse to acknowledge this. I wish they would take their lovely prized guns and off themselves with them.

So you are on board with the idea cops are indiscriminately gunning down citizens AND we should disarm the citizenry?

 

[Ramone45]

Aside from it being a Constitutional right, why exactly do people need guns? Anyway, the right to bear arms initially was for people in enforcing situations like law enforcement and military to be able to carry guns. Somehow down the line it became a right for the general public, ruefully.

But the fucking NRA refuse to acknowledge this. I wish they would take their lovely prized guns and off themselves with them.

...says the girl from NYC. You could knock me over with a feather.

 

[Skiddles2014]

More RWCJ fox talking points.

So predictable, so stupid.

Hopefully a school where their grandchildren attend gets shot up.

 

[Kitty]

So you are on board with the idea cops are indiscriminately gunning down citizens AND we should disarm the citizenry?

Where in my post did I even slightly imply or say that? Guns were initially for them to oversee the population; not for a random guy on 3rd Street to get one just...because. If we don't have guns, policing will not call for guns. I never said, "cops should have guns and not anyone else." If people understand the history of the Constitution, they will have less of an obsessive entitlement to own guns. It is simply the NRA enabling society, because they are power and money hungry demons.

It is essentially pointless to have them, unless you hunt, and even that's a stretch. People keep thinking of China "beating us" and terrorism that barely happens here. And when it does, it's with bombs, so fuck a gun still.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Peace. It just bothers me when it gets personal; not because it hurts my feelings but because it makes you look ignorant (which you are not). Hoping for the death of a generation is disgraceful especially when the next generation will hope for your demise.

I don't hope for it, what I hope for is the lot of cold war era politicians to get the fuck out of the way for a new generation because we are tired of getting shit on by the Nixon/Reagan fan club dicks. Morons still think it's 1980 and 1950 should be the goal.

Death is eminent for all.....and if my generation shit's on the next as hard as yours has mine we deserve the same wishes to fuck off.

I am for the immediate legalization, regulation and taxation of ALL drugs.

How socialist libhurhul hippie of you

On gun control, laws will only affect people like me who are inclined to obey them. They have ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT on criminals.

So by that effect there should be NO laws then right? Because laws do nothing to criminals.....

BUT WAIT they give law enforcement legal tools to stop them....and we should do the same with guns.

You should have the courage to say what you REALLY want.

Oh do tell me what I really want!! This should be good.

I support banning nothing. It is pointless.

Not even the loony libz are talking about bans...only the bat shit RW with their knee jerk hysteria.

People that want to kill know where to get a gun. They do not fill out papers.

Yep and don't you think some laws that would help highlight who these people are might be a positive thing?

or is even that

JUST SOCIALIST AGENDA GET YERRR HANDS AWWF MAH GUNZ!!!!!!

The few suicides and domestics will use pills, jump or stab or bludgeon the person. I would think stabbing would be more cathartic for them anyway.

Studies say otherwise....restricted gun access of some sort = lower overall suicide rates in every fucking case that kept track of such information.

Aside from it being a Constitutional right, why exactly do people need guns?

Because other people have guns....duh.

 

[Que]

Where in my post did I even slightly imply or say that? Guns were initially for them to oversee the population; not for a random guy on 3rd Street to get one just...because. If we don't have guns, policing will not call for guns. I never said, "cops should have guns and not anyone else." If people understand the history of the Constitution, they will have less of an obsessive entitlement to own guns. It is simply the NRA enabling society, because they are power and money hungry demons.

It is essentially pointless to have them, unless you hunt, and even that's a stretch. People keep thinking of China "beating us" and terrorism that barely happens here. And when it does, it's with bombs, so fuck a gun still.

cops are NEVER giving up theirs so that is a nonstarter.

criminals are not going to give them up.

There are enough guns in this country already for every man woman and child to have one. How do you propose getting rid of them. Who do you think would be disarmed first? Registered gun-owners or unregistered criminals?"

You lived in Florida when the crime rate went down when concealed carry was passed. Criminals could no longer assume that citizens were unarmed.

Guns you do not carry and do not see are protecting civilized society.

 

[Kitty]

Because other people have guns....duh.

You're such a fucking genius. The point is, why do other people have guns; why did the general public gain the right to bear guns in the first place? Remain mute. Silence is golden when you have nothing worthy to share.

 

[Ramone45]

More RWCJ fox talking points.

So predictable, so stupid.

Hopefully a school where their grandchildren attend gets shot up.

How do you sleep at night? I pity you.

 

[Kitty]

cops are NEVER giving up theirs so that is a nonstarter.

criminals are not going to give them up.

There are enough guns in this country already for every man woman and child to have one. How do you propose getting rid of them. Who do you think would be disarmed first? Registered gun-owners or unregistered criminals?"

You lived in Florida when the crime rate went down when concealed carry was passed. Criminals could no longer assume that citizens were unarmed.

Guns you do not carry and do not see are protecting civilized society.

What about in GA where they can legally carry their rifles around just because. And is GA a stand your ground state? It most certainly is. I kid you the fuck not, I know KKK leaders try to gain seats in office, and their new slogan is to kill their enemies in a new way, through the system, since they no longer can lynch them.

And no shit we can't get rid of the guns, but the 2nd amendment needs to be amended, and the NRA needs to stop manufacturing. The general public shouldn't have had the right in the first place.

Ok, not off topic but bringing in some current events and pop culture.

This video was banned by Interscope Records because it has 3D printed guns in the video. A video

banned because it has 3D

printed

guns.

Who is so threatened by this, exactly?

 

[miles]

Originally Posted by BotanyBoy View Post
Only temporally.

As soon as the "Tradition > logic and reason" crowd (mostly the RW'ers like yourself) die off....we as a nation are going to restrict access to firearm purchases.


This is your brain on drugs.

 

[Comshaw]

This is why it is so difficult to have a civil, in depth, honest discussion on guns. How many of you read the article? And how many disagree with parts of it?? I'd bet most if not all who posted. How many will say "that part is valid, but that part is pure bullshit"? Most I'd wager. The reason for it is that most allow emotion to sway their thinking, allow emotion to make the decision of what is fact and what is not.

I own guns, quite a few in fact. And I support the ownership of guns, but I also know we need to look at why we have such a gun violence problem when others don't. To do that we need to have an honest open discussion. And to do THAT people need to stop letting their emotions talk for them and start letting their brain do what it should.

So to all you who have posted the tired dumb ass tripe I've heard a thousand times, stop being a part of the problem and start being a part of the solution. To quote a line I love, "...we have serious problems and we need serious people to solve them."

Stop seeing as fact what you believe to be true and start seeing as fact what is true.
Until both sides can do that, until both sides look at reality everyone who tries to discuss this subject will just end up with someone from the other side pissing in their boot.

And as far as this being posted on the PB, maybe it should have been. I'll leave that to Laurel as to whether it should be moved or not.



Comshaw

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Democrats lost the gun control fight. There is much more national support for gun rights than there is gun control.

We need penis control to end the epidemic of rapes in America. And car control to stop speeding.

 

[Kitty]

We need penis control to end the epidemic of rapes in America. And car control to stop speeding.

Stupid analogy, but let's work with it.

In that case, people need to control themselves then. Machines only work when manufactured and operated by man. Machines do horrible shit when manufactured and operated by a horrible person.

 

[DiskoTroop]

There is a rocket launcher I have had my eye on....