Rick Perry

[adrina]

Can you provide any evidence that the US politics or culture promotes rape and sexual assault??

Our laws/legal system, education system, politics and pop culture all seem to take a decidedly negative view of those activities as far as I can tell.

It sure doesn't seem to stop it.

Cuz it happens all the freakin' time. You've heard of #metoo right?

I've got stories starting as a young girl. I'm not alone. In fact I'm in the majority. Sadly.

 

[doowdniw]

He's a fucking moron.

I was going to say idiot, but moron works, too.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It sure doesn't seem to stop it.

Cuz it happens all the freakin' time. You've heard of #metoo right?

I've got stories starting as a young girl. I'm not alone. In fact I'm in the majority. Sadly.

That is not evidence of our culture promoting rape and sexual assault.

You're going to have to show me some policies, laws, advertisements, cultural icons or political leaders telling people at large that rape and sexual assault are behaviors they should be engaging in.

The fact that they don't and condemn those activities is DIRECT EVIDENCE that we don't. Not to mention the fact that our laws prohibit those behaviors and that we punish, prosecute and incarcerate those who do engage in those activities.

 

[adrina]

That is not evidence of our culture promoting rape and sexual assault.

You're going to have to show me some policies, laws, advertisements, cultural icons or political leaders telling people at large that rape and sexual assault are behaviors they should be engaging in.

Why?

The results aren't enough? The fact that I among millions and millions of other women live it everyday aren't enough? Seriously?

"What were you wearing?"

stuff like this

Brock Turner

I'm not talking about laws and policies. Although the backlog or rape kits is frankly insane. I'm talking about men and their behavior toward women. Harvey Weinstein didn't need a law or policy. He just acted because he could get away with it. Keven Spacey didn't need a law or policy. Our dear leader "when you're a star you can get away with anything, just grab them by the pussy." Bob Packwood, Clarence Thomas,

People turned their heads away and the victims remained silent because more often than not throughout history they aren't believed and end up being re-victimized all over again. Frankly until the recent Bill Cosby thing that was the reality for women when they spoke up. And even then, just because the culture has marginally shifted toward believing women more it doesn't mean that it's easy or that it has shifted down toward easing off women in the more mundane day to day experiences.

The fact that you are even asking about laws and policies as if it negates the experiences of all these women is preposterous.

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But no, there's no sexism, no rape culture, no issue with violence against women. We don't have people actively ignoring it or trying to silence the victims. The fact that we don't have a politician saying "Oh rape is great" isn't the problem. They say one thing and do another. The problem is that we aren't actively teaching men, boys and society at large to respect women. Instead we are teaching women to be silent and suck it up and rewarding boys and men for sexual aggression toward women.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Why?

The results aren't enough?

Because the "results", the fact that sexual assault/harassment happens, isn't related to weather or not our society condemn rape and sexual assault or promote it.

Just because sexual assault/harassment happens, doesn't mean we as a culture, here in the US and AFAIK western civilization abroad even, are promoting it.

All the evidence speaks to the contrary and that our culture strongly discourages it.

Harvey Weinstein didn't need a law or policy

And he was all but fuckin' crucified, he's fucked, forever the piece of shit bad guy.....because our society does not promote, encourage or otherwise condone sexual assault/harassment.

The fact that you are even asking about laws and policies as if it negates the experiences of all these women is preposterous.

That is 100% your made up fantasy.

You're either outright being dishonest or you're illiterate.

But no, there's no sexism, no rape culture, no issue with violence against women.

I never said there was no sexism.

If you think we have a rape culture then you should be able to point out aspects of our culture, like laws, policy, educational content or cultural icons promoting rape.

If you think we have no issue with violence against women you should be able to do the same.

But as far as I know our culture/society is EXPRESSLY condemning of sexual assault and harassment.

If you want to see a society that is actually OK with and promotes rape and violence against women you'll be needing to leave western civilization for some place like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq or like 2/3 of the "nations" on the african content.

 

[adrina]

Because the "results", the fact that sexual assault/harassment happens, isn't related to weather or not our society condemn rape and sexual assault or promote it.

Just because sexual assault/harassment happens, doesn't mean we as a culture, here in the US and AFAIK western civilization abroad even, are promoting it.

All the evidence speaks to the contrary and that our culture strongly discourages it.




And he was all but fuckin' crucified, he's fucked, forever the piece of shit bad guy.....because our society does not promote, encourage or otherwise condone sexual assault/harassment.

That is 100% your made up fantasy.

You're either outright being dishonest or you're illiterate.

We elevated a self admitted sexual assaulter to the highest office in the world. We held a woman more responsible for her husband's behavior than we did for the man who actually committed the behavior.

And it took how many years and how many victims? Just like Cosby, he got away with it for decades.

We not only condone it, we actively excuse it.

The tide is finally shifting but the reality is that it's still going on.

You demanded proof when it is right in front of your face. The experiences of women like me aren't apparently enough for you.

 

[BotanyBoy]

We elevated a self admitted sexual assaulter to the highest office in the world. We held a woman more responsible for her husband's behavior than we did for the man who actually committed the behavior.

That first one is all you've got so far but your on the right path.

No, we didn't. Some folks wanted to and you're ass is so fucking hurt about it you think she was victimized for her husbands behavior, get a gip sister.

And it took how many years and how many victims? Just like Cosby, he got away with it for decades.

Yea, and so do serial killers and thieves....that doesn't mean we as a society/culture promote that behavior either.

In fact, JUST LIKE sexual assault/harassment, it's rather expressly condemned.

We not only condone it, we actively excuse it.

The tide is finally shifting but the reality is that it's still going on.

No we don't...it's a fuckin' felony, you're insane to think we condone it.

The fact that it happens doesn't mean we as a society/culture condone or excuse it.

You demanded proof when it is right in front of your face. The experiences of women like me aren't apparently enough for you.

No it's not.

Once again, that's because your personal victimization at the hands of a dirt bag isn't even related to whether or not the USA/western civilization is a rape positive pro sexual assault and encouraging of violence against women or not.

individual =/= society and culture.

What do you not understand about that?

 

[adrina]

That first one is all you've got so far but your on the right path.

No, we didn't. Some folks wanted to and you're ass is so fucking hurt about it you think she was victimized for her husbands behavior, get a gip sister.



Yea, and so do serial killers and thieves....that doesn't mean we as a society/culture promote that behavior either.

In fact, JUST LIKE sexual assault/harassment, it's rather expressly condemned.



No we don't...you're insane.

The fact that it happens doesn't mean we as a society/culture condone or excuse it.



No it's not.

Once again, that's because your personal victimization at the hands of a dirt bag isn't even related to whether or not the USA/western civilization is a rape positive pro sexual assault and encouraging of violence against women or not.

individual =/= society and culture.

What do you not understand about that?

He marched out Bill Clinton's victims and blamed Hillary. Further any time the discussion comes up, it's more about her actions than his. Nice try. No cigar. Pun intended.

To be fair, just about every woman in society hasn't had an encounter with a serial killer or a thief. Whereas just about every woman in society has had an encounter with a too friendly or inappropriate acting male. Not only apples to oranges, more like one apple to the bunches of grapes.

We have condoned it for years, for decades. For centuries. It's only been recently that men have been held to any kind of accountability. And by recently I mean very recently. As in the past decade or so.

A dirt bag? Singular? You're kidding right?

What don't you understand that my story isn't anything unusual? That there are far far more women like me than not like me? If you got 10 women in a room, my bet is that 8 to 9 of them would tell you of stories of inappropriate and sexually aggressive behavior they have endured at the hands of men and boys. Repeatedly. We had a thread that went that direction before Aglaopheme had it zapped because the stories were crossing into territories that ran up against the P word experiences - because they start that young.

This is a problem. The fact that you can smugly dismiss me as an anomaly is not only mind boggling but just further proof of what I'm saying.

 

[BotanyBoy]

He marched out Bill Clinton's victims and blamed Hillary.

Look....I realize you're totally obsessed with Trump and super pissed.

But his personal scummery is hardly an accurate representation of the collective beliefs and cultural views of US society or even western civilization at large.

To be fair, just about every woman in society hasn't had an encounter with a serial killer or a thief.

1) buu shit.

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The fact that you can smugly dismiss me as an anomaly is not only mind boggling but just further proof of what I'm saying.

It's also totally made up.

You're either being dishonest again or you have a SEVERE reading disability.

I didn't dismiss you as an anomaly, I dismissed your person anecdotes as evidence for the idea that our culture/civilization condones, promotes and encourages sexual assault and violence against women.

 

[adrina]

Sure thing. Rely on your usual.

When you tell me that the individual does not equal society or culture and I tell you that the overwhelming vast majority of women have had multiple experiences with inappropriate or sexually aggressive males that negates your point of "individual".

This is culture wide. When just about every woman has experienced some kind of this behavior it is no longer "individual".

But keep telling yourself I'm missing the point when you keep dismissing reality.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Sure thing. Rely on your usual.

You mean staying on topic and not letting you run around with the goalpost into totally unrelated ballparks and who knows what?

When you tell me that the individual does not equal society or culture and I tell you that the overwhelming vast majority of women have had multiple experiences with inappropriate or sexually aggressive males that negates your point of "individual".

Inappropriate/aggressive =/= sexual assault.....nor does it have anything to do with society condoning and promoting sexual assault.

Put the goalpost down.

But keep telling yourself I'm missing the point when you keep dismissing reality.

I'm not dismissing reality, I'm just on topic...the only you left as soon as you could and keep avoiding at all cost when you realized that our society doesn't actually condone sexual assault and we don't have a rape culture. This isn't Afghanistan or the Congo.

 

[adrina]

Sure please tell us some more how you know more about what women experience, how isolated our experiences are and how they don't equate to a culture wide problem.

I'm sure we are waiting with baited breath.

When we have this many women experiencing these type of experiences with no real recourse except to suck it up... what do you call it?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Sure please tell us some more how you know more about what women experience, how isolated our experiences are and how they don't equate to a culture wide problem.

I never said anything about that in the first place.

You're still either being totally dishonest and running around in the baseball field with the football goalpost, or you can't read .

When we have this many women experiencing these type of experiences with no real recourse except to suck it up... what do you call it?

You do have recourse against sexual assault, it's called calling the police and filing charges.

Because our society doesn't condone sexual assault, and isn't a rape culture these things have been made illegal. If you are a victim of a sexual assault you should immediately contact the police and seek the perps prosecution to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[adrina]

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

And that's just the assault portion, not the harassment portion.

The police can and will do absolutely nothing about the volumes of harassment women receive. It is up to each individual woman to deal with on her own. If she is fortunate, heh, enough to have it happen at work she might get the help of HR. Might. If she works in one of the industries that are more supportive. If.

You just keep repeatedly demonstrating how you don't understand the facts of the issue and what women deal with day in and day out. Inappropriate sexually aggressive behavior is not limited to illegal acts.

This isn't a black and white world.

 

[BotanyBoy]

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

And that's just the assault portion, not the harassment portion.

The police can and will do absolutely nothing about the volumes of harassment women receive.

Then how come there are so many people in prison for sexual assault crimes?

Do you that is because maybe we as a society/culture condemn sexual assault?

You just keep repeatedly demonstrating how you don't understand the facts of the issue and what women deal with day in and day out.

Now you're back to making shit up again, as if that changes the fact that you didn't answer the question and are running around with your goal post, being dishonest and totally off topic.


Let me know when you've calmed down enough to go back and read the question and not go on a psychotic rant about how all women are rape victims because men are just so evil and the USA promotes and encourages sexual assault.

 

[adrina]

One day you'll quit conflating basic fact A with exaggerated fact B. Today is not that day.

Thank you for your time.

 

[BotanyBoy]

One day you'll quit conflating basic fact A with exaggerated fact B. Today is not that day.

Thank you for your time.

So you can't answer the question I asked without grabbing your goalpost, running out of the stadium and then trying to ascribe me penalties and fouls from a totally unrelated game we're not even playing.

Out-fuckin-standing

Thanks for walking right into that and helping me prove my point, and you're welcome.

 

[adrina]

Why should I? So you can tell me I am psychotically ranting?

Thank you, no.

I tried to work past all of your personal attacks, your insults. I tried to help you see what women face. I put the information right in front of your nose. I pointed to the statistics, to the realities.

But all you want to do is turn this into another one of your aggression fueled "debates".

Not only am I not interested in doing so, it is ultimately pointless. You see, you never admit to anything. You never cede a point, you never take anyone's perspective into account but your own.

It's not worth my time.

So thank you for your time. Take the conclusions you will. It's just simply not worth discussing anything with you. I tried. I failed.

 

[Wats_butthole]

We elevated a self admitted sexual assaulter to the highest office in the world. We held a woman more responsible for her husband's behavior than we did for the man who actually committed the behavior.

And it took how many years and how many victims? Just like Cosby, he got away with it for decades.

We not only condone it, we actively excuse it.

The tide is finally shifting but the reality is that it's still going on.

You demanded proof when it is right in front of your face. The experiences of women like me aren't apparently enough for you.

He'll argue anything, don't waste your time.

 

[adrina]

He'll argue anything, don't waste your time.

You are correct.

Thank you.

 

[daimoniotica]

Funny reading one who insists that another individual life is theirs to intentionally and tortuously kill simply for convenience whine and moan so much about other despicable individual life considering them to be just as fair game, too.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I tried to work past all of your personal attacks, your insults. I tried to help you see what women face.

"What do women face?" was not my question though....you seem TOTALLY unwilling to understand that or seemingly even read the question that I asked.



And by "personal attacks" and "insults" I can only assume you mean where I pointed out that you were engaging in dishonest ascription and changing topics to avoid answering my question that at this point I'm convinced you didn't even read.

 

[adrina]

Funny reading one who insists that another individual life is theirs to intentionally and tortuously kill simply for convenience whine and moan so much about other despicable individual life considering them to be just as fair game, too.

Get off the abortion shtick Eyer.

You're a broken record.

"What do women face?" was not my question though....you seem TOTALLY unwilling to understand that or seemingly even read the question that I asked.



And by "personal attacks" and "insults" I can only assume you mean where I pointed out that you were engaging in dishonest ascription and changing topics to avoid answering my question that at this point I'm convinced you didn't even read. Maybe I did call you a nut, but only after you went on rants unrelated to my question numerous times.

Take the conclusions you will.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Take the conclusions you will.

It's hard telling still.....are you just a loony SJW who actually thinks the US/western civilization is one that promotes and encourages rape and sexual assault??

Or are you actually illiterate?

I dunno....I just don't know.

 

[daimoniotica]

Let them eat karma.