Ron Regan passes away at 93
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Lucifer_Carroll
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Re: On Rights
Dude. Not the place. This is a cemetary and a wake. We shouldn't be political here. This is honoring a human being who affected many of our lives. Svenska is a Swede, she's out of the loop on what this is really about. Don't argue with her here. Somewhere else maybe, but not here. There is a reason after all why even the liberals who hated his policies and programs are paying tribute to the man. He was a good guy and deserves a bit of peaceful resepect devoid of political attacks. So, no arguing here. Just respect.
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Dude. Not the place. This is a cemetary and a wake. We shouldn't be political here. This is honoring a human being who affected many of our lives. Svenska is a Swede, she's out of the loop on what this is really about. Don't argue with her here. Somewhere else maybe, but not here. There is a reason after all why even the liberals who hated his policies and programs are paying tribute to the man. He was a good guy and deserves a bit of peaceful resepect devoid of political attacks. So, no arguing here. Just respect.
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Thanks Ogg
I didnt realize the web had spell check now...haha. Luci good point...the Swedes felt political though...I just was correcting her political typo with a counter weight. On with the wake lads and lasses, lords and ladies...haha
Whiskey comes form the Gaelic Ish ka ba ha..it means water of life...thats why we drink it at wakes.
Ronnie you deserve the best aged single malt !!
I didnt realize the web had spell check now...haha. Luci good point...the Swedes felt political though...I just was correcting her political typo with a counter weight. On with the wake lads and lasses, lords and ladies...haha
Whiskey comes form the Gaelic Ish ka ba ha..it means water of life...thats why we drink it at wakes.
Ronnie you deserve the best aged single malt !!
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I once voted for Reagan, myself, during the 70's. And I've had people die of Alzheimer's in my family. It's not as sad that he died as that he had to take so long in doing it. Alzheimer's is living death.
Ronald Reagan deserved a lot of credit for helping bring down the Soviet Union.
Ronald Reagan deserved a lot of credit for helping bring down the Soviet Union.
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Re: Re: On Rights
*out of kindness; swallows all remarks and gracefully leaves the thread*
It's all yours, yanks.
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*out of kindness; swallows all remarks and gracefully leaves the thread*
It's all yours, yanks.
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thank you, svenska. That is classy of you.
Rest in Peace, Ronald Reagan.http://www.jelleyjar.com/graphics/redwhiteblue.jpg
Rest in Peace, Ronald Reagan.http://www.jelleyjar.com/graphics/redwhiteblue.jpg
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FYI, very informative and moving. Perdita
Reagan obit in SF
In an interview with Mike Wallace on CBS' "60 Minutes" on Sept. 25, 2002, Nancy Reagan said that she was no longer sure her husband recognized her and that she missed reminiscing with him about their past. "The golden years are when you can sit back, hopefully, and exchange memories, and that's the worst part about this disease," she said during the interview. "There's nobody to exchange memories with, and ... we had a lot of memories.''
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Perhaps his most enduring accomplishment was the unprecedented nuclear disarmament pact between the United States and the Soviet Union -- the sprawling superpower that in 1983 he had dubbed the "evil empire."
Toward that end, Reagan put great effort into the negotiations leading up to the 1987 agreement signed by himself and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev.
As part of that effort, in 1981 Reagan wrote a four-page letter to Soviet President Leonid Brezhnev, urging that they work together to ease tensions between their two countries. At one point he asked whether the two had allowed their different economic and political views to "keep us from considering the very real, everyday problems of the people we represent?"
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In his autobiography, Reagan talked of his father's love of the bottle and attributed his own aversion to strong spirits to "the sharp odor of the speakeasy" on his father's breath.
But childhood adversity helped shape the adult. Reagan recalled arriving home from school one day when he was 11 to find his father on the porch "drunk ... dead to the world," sprawled "as if he were crucified, as indeed he was, his hair soaked with melting snow, snoring as he breathed.
"I wanted to let myself in the house and go to bed and pretend he wasn't there."
Instead, he dragged his father to bed, performing an act he was later to perceive as "that first moment of accepting responsibility."
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Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry called Reagan's love of country "infectious" and said that "even when he was breaking Democrats' hearts, he did so with a smile and in the spirit of honest and open debate.'' Kerry said that "because of the way President Reagan led, he taught us that there is a big difference between strong beliefs and bitter partisanship.''
Reagan obit in SF
In an interview with Mike Wallace on CBS' "60 Minutes" on Sept. 25, 2002, Nancy Reagan said that she was no longer sure her husband recognized her and that she missed reminiscing with him about their past. "The golden years are when you can sit back, hopefully, and exchange memories, and that's the worst part about this disease," she said during the interview. "There's nobody to exchange memories with, and ... we had a lot of memories.''
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Perhaps his most enduring accomplishment was the unprecedented nuclear disarmament pact between the United States and the Soviet Union -- the sprawling superpower that in 1983 he had dubbed the "evil empire."
Toward that end, Reagan put great effort into the negotiations leading up to the 1987 agreement signed by himself and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev.
As part of that effort, in 1981 Reagan wrote a four-page letter to Soviet President Leonid Brezhnev, urging that they work together to ease tensions between their two countries. At one point he asked whether the two had allowed their different economic and political views to "keep us from considering the very real, everyday problems of the people we represent?"
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In his autobiography, Reagan talked of his father's love of the bottle and attributed his own aversion to strong spirits to "the sharp odor of the speakeasy" on his father's breath.
But childhood adversity helped shape the adult. Reagan recalled arriving home from school one day when he was 11 to find his father on the porch "drunk ... dead to the world," sprawled "as if he were crucified, as indeed he was, his hair soaked with melting snow, snoring as he breathed.
"I wanted to let myself in the house and go to bed and pretend he wasn't there."
Instead, he dragged his father to bed, performing an act he was later to perceive as "that first moment of accepting responsibility."
...
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry called Reagan's love of country "infectious" and said that "even when he was breaking Democrats' hearts, he did so with a smile and in the spirit of honest and open debate.'' Kerry said that "because of the way President Reagan led, he taught us that there is a big difference between strong beliefs and bitter partisanship.''
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What a great guy...
I wonder if his father ever thanked him for saving his life....
Nice find Perdita
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I wonder if his father ever thanked him for saving his life....
Nice find Perdita
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This is a pasted copy of a post made by a dear internet friend of mine on another board. This guy is about as far left as one could go, but he had this to say about Reagan yesterday:
At the time, I didn't vote for him, disagreed strongly with his domestic policies, and even had a friend whose dog would go crazy at the mention of his name (the dog's only use). But it never made me feel that bad losing to him. A few years later it came to me that he gave something to the country that it desperately needed - he gave it back its pride. Up to his presidency we were still all beat up from the war in Viet Nam, and certainly the Iran hostage situation was no help. Reagan was the right man at the right time.
I think it's a wonderful post.
At the time, I didn't vote for him, disagreed strongly with his domestic policies, and even had a friend whose dog would go crazy at the mention of his name (the dog's only use). But it never made me feel that bad losing to him. A few years later it came to me that he gave something to the country that it desperately needed - he gave it back its pride. Up to his presidency we were still all beat up from the war in Viet Nam, and certainly the Iran hostage situation was no help. Reagan was the right man at the right time.
I think it's a wonderful post.
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He gave us our country back
He taught us to stand up for what we believe in and accomplish our goals no matter what the critics say later. I remember being a young kid and gravitating to the TV whenever he came on...you could feel the sentiment and the fact that he believed in what he was saying and doing. I remember having a good feeling and the 80's were so much fun for all...cool toys, cool music, and the feeling that we would prevail and it all would be okay in the morning. That is what he gave us then and that is what we need now
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He taught us to stand up for what we believe in and accomplish our goals no matter what the critics say later. I remember being a young kid and gravitating to the TV whenever he came on...you could feel the sentiment and the fact that he believed in what he was saying and doing. I remember having a good feeling and the 80's were so much fun for all...cool toys, cool music, and the feeling that we would prevail and it all would be okay in the morning. That is what he gave us then and that is what we need now
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Unlike the collective amnesia that tends to grip everybody on such "solemn" occasions, the NY Times have a factual and balanced obituary:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/06/obituaries/06REAG.html?hp
He was a very likeable person and a president that left a mark; but as Greenspan once said, it remains to be seen whether the strong pluses outweighed the strong minuses.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/06/obituaries/06REAG.html?hp
He was a very likeable person and a president that left a mark; but as Greenspan once said, it remains to be seen whether the strong pluses outweighed the strong minuses.
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It's not amnesia, HS. I didn't vote for Reagan and I never liked him even personally. But it's common at 'wakes' not to bitch or throw mud (however much of it there is). His presidency is part of my own personal history; reading the obit I posted gave me pause for thought beyond the political, merely as a human being.
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Ronny Reagan, ya vicious war-mongering bastard, I'm glad you're dead! I only hope your well deserved suffering continues ad infinitum in the infernal depths of the netherworld.
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Wow
If you can not say something nice when someone has passed on, then just go away!
If you can not say something nice when someone has passed on, then just go away!
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I'm sorry. I didn't get the memo signaling the neo-con push for canonization of that retarded reactionary fuck. Reagan was a villian, a bastard, he flouted the constitution and brought about the current era of American fascism. Just because Nancy finally smothered him in his sleep, I'm not going to pretend that he was a great man. Alas, had Hinkley been a better shot, we wouldn't be having this exchange.
The topic of this thread seems to invite comment. Nowhere in the words "Ron Regan [sic] passes away at 93" does it say that comment must be a a complimentary nature.
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cloudy said:
Whooooooooooooooooo cares?
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Ditto. Plus 'it' doesn't deserve such an illustrious lit. name.cloudy said:
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I forget who said it, but some once said talked about the dual nature of R.R. along these lines:
"If you walked into the oval office and told him you had lost your job, he would give you every dollar he had and the shirt off of his back. Then, when you left, he would sit there in his undershirt and sign legislation cutting your grandmother's social security."
But even with that, he was usually honest about it. He didn't try to hide his policies or sugarcoat them.
Unlike a lot of politicians throughout history, President Reagan stood front and center, said what he was going to do and did it (Iron-Contra affair not-with-standing).
"If you walked into the oval office and told him you had lost your job, he would give you every dollar he had and the shirt off of his back. Then, when you left, he would sit there in his undershirt and sign legislation cutting your grandmother's social security."
But even with that, he was usually honest about it. He didn't try to hide his policies or sugarcoat them.
Unlike a lot of politicians throughout history, President Reagan stood front and center, said what he was going to do and did it (Iron-Contra affair not-with-standing).
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Clare Quilty said:
Pay attention. the thread is obviously a memorial, an online 'wake' would you walk into someones funeral and say to everyone there that he's an unmitigated bastard? He just died yesterday, have a moticum of class.
PS, I'm a liberal, progressive, democrat, socialist whatever. NO where near being a neocon or conservative of any kind. A man has died, and I know that many men loved, honored and respected him so I will save any negative commention I might have for a more appropriate time and place.
Everyone has both good and bad in them, so if you can't find a single good thing to say about someone hours after there death it's best by far to remain silent. Anyone old enough to patronize lit should know that.
No-one on this thread likes you very much right now, but I doubt very much that any one of them would dance on your grave.
