Sex at $20,000/hour

[A7inchPhildo]

Anyhow, that's what Cage was trying to show in his piece. So we can laugh at the idea of paying money to hear silence, but would people have listened if it had been for free?

---Zoot

And that my friends, is worth the price of admission. The rest of it should be considered a bonus.

 

[cantdog]

I still say $20,000 is the High Priced Spread.

 

[sweetnpetite]

what this article tells me is how puritanical a socioty we still live in, and how sex for sex sake (as opposed to using it to sell cars and beer) is still off limits.

She is a highly regarded artist, but once she broaches the subject of (gasp) sex no one takes her seriously at all.

As to weather or not her project is just a way to get 'around' the prostitution laws, those laws are hopelessly outdated in the first place. "Sex for money" is legal in hundreds (or more) different forms including pornogrophy, lapdances, movies, models and even 'living in sin' or being 'kept' or supported.

But that is really beside the point. Many artists believe that the point of art is to get people talking. discusing the topic. If that's her intent here, I'd say she succeeded I'll be interested mostly in just listening to the conversation surounding the piece, which may turn out to be more intersting than the actual work itself, but for which the artist is still responsible.

Question: Is art what you put down on your medium, or what happens after?

 

[curious2c]

Well, if all is well to film a pay for play sexual tryst if one charges 20,000 for the jovie after the fact...I want to be an artist. Oh yeah...I could make a film a week...um...I will need to get some volunteers for the female part in my 'art' though. Perhaps...a 50/50 split?

 

[NoJo]

Art is simple:

There's two sorts of art -- first, there's easy to do stuff, second there's difficult to do stuff.

The easy stuff is what you do when you're drunk, shallow, or a kid. You do it to get rich and for celebrity. It's relatively cheap, and looks like scribbles, home movies or Lego.

The difficult stuff is usually old, and makes you feel inadequate and uncultured when you look at it. It's more expensive. It's made out of oil or marble and is often brown.

 

[Clare Quilty]

I tend to think of conceptual art as being primarily about the artist’s creative intentions in constructing shared communicative environments, experiences and objects that fascinate, agitate and provoke dialog, rather than what it is--or whether it conforms to some arbitrary societal convention of aesthetics or propriety. As Sol LeWitt once famously opined, "The idea of concept is the most important aspect of the work ... all planning and decisions are made beforehand and the execution is a perfunctory affair. The idea becomes the machine that makes the art...."

 

[Guest]

"The idea of concept is the most important aspect of the work ... all planning and decisions are made beforehand and the execution is a perfunctory affair. The idea becomes the machine that makes the art...."

Q., that's interesting. I feel nearly certain it was Hitchcock who loved creating the film in his head and script, then getting all the technical stuff and persons in place, casting, etc. The grueling, boring part was the actual filming. P.

 

[NoJo]

I tend to think of conceptual art as being primarily about the artist’s creative intentions in constructing shared communicative environments, experiences and objects that fascinate, agitate and provoke dialog, rather than what it is--or whether it conforms to some arbitrary societal convention of aesthetics or propriety. As Sol LeWitt once famously opined, "The idea of concept is the most important aspect of the work ... all planning and decisions are made beforehand and the execution is a perfunctory affair. The idea becomes the machine that makes the art...."

You're talking about the easy to do stuff, right? ("the idea of concept" -- come on...)

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I tend to think of conceptual art as being primarily about the artist’s creative intentions in constructing shared communicative environments, experiences and objects that fascinate, agitate and provoke dialog, rather than what it is--or whether it conforms to some arbitrary societal convention of aesthetics or propriety. As Sol LeWitt once famously opined, "The idea of concept is the most important aspect of the work ... all planning and decisions are made beforehand and the execution is a perfunctory affair. The idea becomes the machine that makes the art...."

I'm a sucker for a smart girl in Lolita sunglasses.

---Zoot

 

[Clare Quilty]

I'm a sucker for a smart girl in Lolita sunglasses.

---Zoot

Me too Doc.

 

[Clare Quilty]

You're talking about the easy to do stuff, right? ("the idea of concept" -- come on...)

I haven't a clue as to what you're talking about. So, I suppose in that regard we are even.

 

[NoJo]

Can someone whose artistic Weltanschuung is less discordant with the Zeitgeist than mine please explain to me the idea of concept, and if possible contrast it with the concept of idea.