Shadow over Gerelden OOC

[Jedi_Khan]

First of all, that's not a question I'm asking.
Second of all, I'm a DM and annoying me is something you'll need to put serious effort into. I've had to rules-lawyer the sex my characters have, of all things. You can't derail me more than sexy PCs.
And I understand what you're getting at: the answer depends on the system. if you're living in R. Scott Bakker's novels, it's a Chorae. In DnD, it's the ability to force concentration checks (I.E., the monk), and in Jack Vance's novels it's simply not pissing them off; magic is supreme.
And yet, I still feel like this is something that can be free-formed. The best, "anti-magic," ability can be whatever it needs to be at the time. In forum games like this one, the plot matters more and therefore magic can be made to serve the plot.

Here... You care about it enough that you want to broach the subject. Again, I put the effort needed to make it happen on your shoulders. You want to work your weapons into a system we can all agree on? Fine. Make said system. You, yourself, should attempt to work out a free-form magic system before attempting to make us conform to one.
I don't mean this in a mean way; quite the opposite. I just mean that something complex as this issue is should result in you thinking of an answer first even if it's only a preliminary rule set. It's only fair to have an idea in your head for this question, because we all have to have one should it get answered.
Come to us with an idea, something tangible we can interact with and modify, and we can move on from there.

Um...what's with the talk about "Chorae" (whatever the hell they are) and concentration checks? I had only one answer in mind, one that is as generic as immunity to magic, but not as much of a catch-all. It works with just about any system of magic, but in order to flesh out how it does what it does, I'd like for there to be some sort of underlying principles, although now that I think about it really late at night, they aren't really necessary, unless someone somewhere throws a fit about how Jager manages to defend himself against their magic or bypass their magical defenses with ease.

As I understand it, even though you may not have explicitly said it, you were, and are, asking what I had in mind for Jager's swords. My response was to ask you the question that I did, with the answer to that question being what I had in mind for what Jager's swords could do.

And seeing as how as I couldn't possibly have something as unspecific as "whatever works" or something as specific as a concentration check in mind, it would have to be something inbetween, wouldn't it? Also considering that the swords do something, it couldn't possibly be a Chorae (I'm pretty sure Chorae are not an ability, but a thing), and since concentration checks don't exist in this story, that leaves only a few viable answers, doesn't it?

Again, what I have in mind for what Jager's swords can do is the answer to this question: what ability can a weapon have that is best suited for a person who hunts magic users but can't use magic himself? Hint #1: It's not immunity. Hint #2: Equal and opposite forces tend to ________ each other.

If that is not enough, then try this: I'm seeing magic as being made up of lines and/or threads. Threads of power connecting the spell to the source. Lines holding the spells together. Lines of runes forming a wall of protection. Threads of control binding Zander and that little ball of light of his together. And here's a couple of new questions: what happens when you take a sharp blade to a piece of thread that is stretched tight? What happens if you wedge something sharp and pointy between lines?


That is all I shall say on the matter tonight because it's time for bed. Think on the answers to the questions and I'll get back to you tomorrow. Good night.

 

[DeathsKnight]

What is a DM?

I also have read this banter about magic going to and fro, though I understand it all and the need to lay a common ground, why not treat magic as The Force. Now now before you tear out my throat hear (or in this case read) me out first, I'm not using this just because I'm Jedi's student, but because this is how I view magic.

As you all know it is stated that The Force is everywhere and present in everything, now a Force user is somebody who is sensitive to this energy and then learns how to use it. So why not do the same with Magic? I mean you do get objects that uses the Force without a user having to concentrate on it the whole time. So why can't a weapon or a sign also carry power? I feel that magic is the manipulation of energies and the way you present it is what makes it different. Also Blood magic, Rune magic, Black magic, Totem Magic all of them uses energy, you just have different ways to focus it. So no matter how you direct this energy, it is the same energy and the power of your focus is how you overcome the opponent.

So like Jedi had stated which I agree with, Angel uses words to focus her magic, Zander uses his orb to focus his energy, Jager's swords can be blessed or marked which makes it magical without him being a magic wielder. Zelthuros is a mixture of magics and I do not know much about Dragon lore, but the undead is one of my favorites as Death gives her power to those. But like I said, it is all about how you focus that energy

 

[LeoHawk35]

What is a DM?

I also have read this banter about magic going to and fro, though I understand it all and the need to lay a common ground, why not treat magic as The Force. Now now before you tear out my throat hear (or in this case read) me out first, I'm not using this just because I'm Jedi's student, but because this is how I view magic.

As you all know it is stated that The Force is everywhere and present in everything, now a Force user is somebody who is sensitive to this energy and then learns how to use it. So why not do the same with Magic? I mean you do get objects that uses the Force without a user having to concentrate on it the whole time. So why can't a weapon or a sign also carry power? I feel that magic is the manipulation of energies and the way you present it is what makes it different. Also Blood magic, Rune magic, Black magic, Totem Magic all of them uses energy, you just have different ways to focus it. So no matter how you direct this energy, it is the same energy and the power of your focus is how you overcome the opponent.

So like Jedi had stated which I agree with, Angel uses words to focus her magic, Zander uses his orb to focus his energy, Jager's swords can be blessed or marked which makes it magical without him being a magic wielder. Zelthuros is a mixture of magics and I do not know much about Dragon lore, but the undead is one of my favorites as Death gives her power to those. But like I said, it is all about how you focus that energy

You never cease to amaze me, DK. This is how I've been looking at our little magic ordeal the entire time. Not really sure why it's such a problem right now.

 

[DeathsKnight]

Uhmmm...I am an amazable guy?

 

[Jedi_Khan]

Hm...an interesting and viable idea DK. It'll significantly change how Jager's swords would function, but they would still be able to do their special action.

Speaking of that, anyone got the answers to the questions I posed?

 

[DeathsKnight]

Too late to go looking, what was the questions? Also what is a DM?

 

[Jedi_Khan]

Again, what I have in mind for what Jager's swords can do is the answer to this question: what ability can a weapon have that is best suited for a person who hunts magic users but can't use magic himself? Hint #1: It's not immunity. Hint #2: Equal and opposite forces tend to ________ each other.

If that is not enough, then try this: I'm seeing magic as being made up of lines and/or threads. Threads of power connecting the spell to the source. Lines holding the spells together. Lines of runes forming a wall of protection. Threads of control binding Zander and that little ball of light of his together. And here's a couple of new questions: what happens when you take a sharp blade to a piece of thread that is stretched tight? What happens if you wedge something sharp and pointy between lines?

Too late to go looking, what was the questions? Also what is a DM?

A DM is a Dungeon Master, the guy who runs a game of Dungeon's and Dragons, sometimes called a Game Master when running games other than D&D.

And the questions are above.

 

[DeathsKnight]

Right so lemme see, opposing forces cancels each other if they are of the same strength, a stretched thread would break, if it is a strong thread like cable it should either withstand or start to unthread. Lines when pierced separates. All I can think of is that the swords may not be immune to magic, but somehow absorbs it? Like a lightsaber can be used to absorb Force lightning?

 

[Jedi_Khan]

Close. The answer to the first question, and the overall answer to what Jager's swords can do, is that they cancel magic. In this case, they'd cancel on contact with a spell. In the way that I was viewing magic, how the swords would accomplish that would be to cut threads of power fueling spells or the lines holding a spell together. When wedged between lines of runes forming a ward, they would separate the lines and create a gap that the swords, or the person holding the swords, would pass right through. Magical armor for instance, while being very effective against normal weapons, would be almost like paper to Jager's swords.

However, in the magic = the Force concept, they could potentially absorb the magic, or they could behave like ysalamari which create a bubble around themselves that pushes the Force away, essentially creating a dead zone within a short radius in which magic or the Force can't function. However, with the swords, that radius would be much smaller, almost to the point where they'd have to make contact with the magic in order to cancel it.

 

[AngelLightheart]

*clears throat*

I actually didn't intend for the words to be the source of her power. What I intended was for Angel to be cursing in an older language while she thrashed the dragon a bit.

Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Jedi_Khan]

*clears throat*

I actually didn't intend for the words to be the source of her power. What I intended was for Angel to be cursing in an older language while she thrashed the dragon a bit.

Sorry for the confusion.

Ah. Okay. I guess the confusion was on my part, considering I have read a series of books where the language of magic used those exact words that Angel said, so when I recognized the words and saw how the dragon reacted to them, I figured that you were using the same language as from those books in order to cast specific spells.

 

[AngelLightheart]

Ah. Okay. I guess the confusion was on my part, considering I have read a series of books where the language of magic used those exact words that Angel said, so when I recognized the words and saw how the dragon reacted to them, I figured that you were using the same language as from those books in order to cast specific spells.

No, not quite. I know I used the same words, but the uses, had they affected anything, were quite different than the original intention of the words. Slytha was "sleep", I think. Jierda was something else altogether that I don't remember at all.

Inheritance series, yeah.

 

[Jedi_Khan]

No, not quite. I know I used the same words, but the uses, had they affected anything, were quite different than the original intention of the words. Slytha was "sleep", I think. Jierda was something else altogether that I don't remember at all.

Inheritance series, yeah.

I think jierda was either stop or break. Not sure. Good series though. Whatdya think of it?

 

[AngelLightheart]

I think jierda was either stop or break. Not sure. Good series though. Whatdya think of it?

Lovely series. Kinda sad it ended, though.

 

[Jedi_Khan]

Lovely series. Kinda sad it ended, though.

Agreed. I hope he does a sequel or something. I rather like dragons.

 

[DeathsKnight]

Agreed. I hope he does a sequel or something. I rather like dragons.

Who does not like the intelligent magical creatures always wrongly betrayed as mindless beasts of destruction?

 

[AngelLightheart]

Sorry guys. I'll have a post up tomorrow. Busy weekend.

 

[LeoHawk35]

Needs MOAR action!

 

[AngelLightheart]

I agree. I'm eager to kill a few soldiers.

 

[DeathsKnight]

Assassins? Heh! Sounds a lot like Prince of Persia Sands of Time the movie. But like ol Blue Eyes usually says: "It's clobbering time"

 

[LeoHawk35]

Seems that I'm not the only one that stays up all hours of the night.

I'm debating whether or not I should god-mod Jedi a bit and give him some time to get a post up. Nothing too much, just enough to give me freedom to post. You know, look away for a moment and find him gone when Zelthuros looks back? Seems like something Jager would do. Though, I'm not sure he would completely get away without any notice standing that close.

I'll just change my last post a bit so I can post again.

 

[Jedi_Khan]

Seems that I'm not the only one that stays up all hours of the night.

I'm debating whether or not I should god-mod Jedi a bit and give him some time to get a post up. Nothing too much, just enough to give me freedom to post. You know, look away for a moment and find him gone when Zelthuros looks back? Seems like something Jager would do. Though, I'm not sure he would completely get away without any notice standing that close.

I'll just change my last post a bit so I can post again.

That sounds like a plan, Leo. I was thinking of having Jager do that anyways. I've got some "back story" to do for Jager before Zelthuros finds him to warn him about the soldiers. Provided I don't experience any delays from RL (not likely, sadly), I'll try to have my post up in the next few days.

 

[LeoHawk35]

Quite the post that turned out to be. I definitely need to get to sleep now.

 

[AngelLightheart]

Waiting on Jedi so we don't leave him too far behind?

 

[Jedi_Khan]

Don't wait for me, I'm already behind. Still need to fill in some actions for Jager between the time he left the dragon's corpse to the time Zelthuros warns him about the soldiers. Plus, life is a little busy at the moment. Probably won't have time to finish my post until the weekend.