should there be a Bisexual catagory for stories at Lit

[dundeebi_guy]

Kinda surprised there isn't a bisexual category. I would have thought it was pretty much a necessity.

 

[Safe_Bet]

I have written and posted about 50 stories here at Lit and while I am not a big one on labels I do like to reach my target audience and avoid the negative hate filled comments by the homophobes of the world. As such I am wondering if it is possible to get a Bisexual story catagory here at Lit and if it is possible do others think it would be helpful.

Thoughts and suggestions on how to make it happen are welcome

Hahahahahaha! I whole heartedly agree.

Not only because I find the homophobic comments offensive (which I do), but because I hate getting into what I think is a good FF story only to have some guy and his dick appear!

 

[britneyfan]

While I agree that it would be good to have a bi category, I think that the categories are fairly arbitrary anyway. I mean, most stories are going to have more than one of the categories contained within them. Most of my stories are posted in the transsexuals/crossdressers section, but they're still mostly bi.

I guess you just have to choose the category that most speaks for what audience you want the story to get and then tag it with all the other categories you think it covers. As someone else has said, as long as a story is tagged as bi then you can just search for it like that rather than going via any one category.

Also, it's worth noting that bi can cover both men who go for women and men and women who go for women and men and the audience for each can be quite different, so creating a bi category wouldn't necessarily get rid of homophobic remarks. You'd still get guys looking for stories where straight girls have their lesbian side not wanting stories with guys getting it on.

 

[NSWCOAST]

bi sex category

I think you have approached a topic that we have all found a bit frustrating to say the least.
It seems that all bi sex stories land under a broad range of categories and are sometimes damn hard to find.

 

[wonderingdude]

Yes!

Thought I was alone on this one.

 

[gaius7]

Yes

i think there should be a bi section but there should also be a bi-BDSM section

 

[Metawampe]

I agree. Maybe the mods could make it happen instead of pulling down all the great pics.

 

[Kitkat103]

Yes!

Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes and again Yes! I would have so many more stories to post.

Has anyone contacted Laurel and Manu about this idea?

 

[janeyruth]

No, absolutely not.

Already we have so-called "pure" gays (and exactly how "pure" they are is open to question because all we have is their word on it) who sneer at bi's and call them dabblers and triflers.

Setting up a separate category for bi's would be just one more way for "real" gays to marginalize bisexuals.

NO!

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes and again Yes! I would have so many more stories to post.

Has anyone contacted Laurel and Manu about this idea?

I will-- you can too. PM Manu and invite him to this thread.

Janeyruth, in my opinion the problem is hetero marginalization, not gays and lesbians. And I would far rather cater to my gay and lesbian friends tastes than to the umpteen bazillion privileged hets in this world. They can cater to themselves.

 

[janeyruth]

That is your opinion, Stella. It does not happen to be mine...

 

[none2_none2]

That is your opinion, Stella. It does not happen to be mine...

I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from, but I do wonder what constitutes a "bi" story? Obviously if a heterosexual story is tainted with same sex sex activity, it cannot be a str8 story. However, what constitutes a gay vs bi sex story? Wouldn't it be better to have tags. I remember stories on some sites used to have:

m -- male, f-- female and combination of these to indicate the activities within the story.

If you don't have something like this, it gets really confusing. Here is some examples:

1) It is only a gay story if the characters have never had str8 sex and all the activity in the chapters is pure same sex?

2) What if the guy is married and discovers glory holes? Is it a bi story because he is married?

3) What if a wife gets turned on by forcing her husband to have same sex? If all the activity in the story is m2m, but she just happens to be in the room, is the story tainted and can no longer be a gay story, but must be bi?

4) If there is a three way with two guys and a girl, is it bi unless the males kiss in which case it becomes gay?

Like I said, I think putting indicators of the kind of sex in the story makes it easier to decide if you are interested in reading it than some arbitrary gray line as to what is gay or what is bi.

 

[Stella_Omega]

That is your opinion, Stella. It does not happen to be mine...

yeah, that's why I said; "In my opinion." I am bisexual and in no way marginalised for that on the forums, but that's because I fought for my place. But if I want to talk about hetero sex-- and I do sometimes-- I don't do it on the one, single, forum that welcomes genuine lesbianism. I don't throw it in my friend's faces.

Really, there just aren't enough gays and lesbians around to do a very good job of marginalising anyone else. And one reason for that is that the hetero guys who have a cock fetish ran so many people out of the GLBT forum.

I've been here for a very long time. I watched it happen. I started the petition-- after two years of seeing this forum have less and less to offer the very people it is named for-- to give those guys a new home-- something they could not be bothered to do for themselves, you notice. It took more than a month to get Laurel to listen to our needs and-- even after she agreed-- to act on them, which was a bit insulting. Typical, really.

Like KitKat, some of my stories are too genuinely bisexual for the categories. I do not insult my lesbian friends by including het sex in the stories I offer them, and I don't waste those stories on on hets. I might consider putting them in a bisexual category.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from, but I do wonder what constitutes a "bi" story? Obviously if a heterosexual story is tainted with same sex sex activity, it cannot be a str8 story. However, what constitutes a gay vs bi sex story? Wouldn't it be better to have tags. I remember stories on some sites used to have:

m -- male, f-- female and combination of these to indicate the activities within the story.

If you don't have something like this, it gets really confusing. Here is some examples:

1) It is only a gay story if the characters have never had str8 sex and all the activity in the chapters is pure same sex?

2) What if the guy is married and discovers glory holes? Is it a bi story because he is married?

3) What if a wife gets turned on by forcing her husband to have same sex? If all the activity in the story is m2m, but she just happens to be in the room, is the story tainted and can no longer be a gay story, but must be bi?

4) If there is a three way with two guys and a girl, is it bi unless the males kiss in which case it becomes gay?

Like I said, I think putting indicators of the kind of sex in the story makes it easier to decide if you are interested in reading it than some arbitrary gray line as to what is gay or what is bi.

One of my stories features a woman who has an encounter with a man-- then an encounter with a woman-- then a murder happens and she has to get the gay woman together with the man in order to help solve the murder. During that part of the plot further sex happens, although not in threesomes, because the other woman doesn't like men. In fact, one sex episode is grudge sex on her part.

The sex between the two women is not the kind of thing men love to watch in porn films. And the sex between the man and woman is not the kind of thing lesbians want to read about.

That's a bisexual story. It could just as easily be a bisexual man juggling partners.

 

[doomgate]

Bi would be a good channel.

 

[norwester]

yes.........Yes........YES...........YES!!!!!!!!!!!

Speaking as a practicing B, I think we should have our own story category.

Don't want to freak the more narrowly focused too much.

 

[Safe_Bet]

No, absolutely not.

Already we have so-called "pure" gays (and exactly how "pure" they are is open to question because all we have is their word on it) who sneer at bi's and call them dabblers and triflers.

Setting up a separate category for bi's would be just one more way for "real" gays to marginalize bisexuals.

NO!

How does my knowing that a dick isn't going to show up in a FF porn story marginalize you?

BTW, as a "pure" lesbian the insinuation that I periodically sneak out of the house for a little dick ever now and then is pretty offensive. I think that attitude is what I'd be "sneering" at more than anything else.

One of my stories features a woman who has an encounter with a man-- then an encounter with a woman-- then a murder happens and she has to get the gay woman together with the man in order to help solve the murder. During that part of the plot further sex happens, although not in threesomes, because the other woman doesn't like men. In fact, one sex episode is grudge sex on her part.

The sex between the two women is not the kind of thing men love to watch in porn films. And the sex between the man and woman is not the kind of thing lesbians want to read about.

That's a bisexual story. It could just as easily be a bisexual man juggling partners.

Exactly. Because it has dick in it I prolly wouldn't want to read it. That doesn't make it a bad story. All proper categorization does is make people more informed and allow them choices.

If I start reading what I perceive to be a FF story and a dick shows up, I feel like I've been misled and that my choice has been taken from me.

It's no different then some chick being in my bed suddenly announcing that she needs to get up and go home to her old man. I don't give a shit that she's bi, I give a shit that I didn't know before hand so that I could have made an informed decision to have her there (or most probably not).

 

[none2_none2]

Exactly. Because it has dick in it I prolly wouldn't want to read it. That doesn't make it a bad story. All proper categorization does is make people more informed and allow them choices.

If I start reading what I perceive to be a FF story and a dick shows up, I feel like I've been misled and that my choice has been taken from me.

It's no different then some chick being in my bed suddenly announcing that she needs to get up and go home to her old man. I don't give a shit that she's bi, I give a shit that I didn't know before hand so that I could have made an informed decision to have her there (or most probably not).

Does it bother you that a "dick" is in the story simply because it IS there, OR because the women in it are portrayed as preferring it or at some point "needing" it?

While I can find some "pure" gay stories as hot, I do realize that some of them are so far fetched. Stories where male only "families" are created because the women died or cruelly dumped them in either case they discovered hot m2m sex was. I seriously doubt that most males who love gay sex got that way because they had wives die or their wife was mean and dumped them.

I wouldn't like a gay male story where the gay sex was just a diversion until they could have "real" sex with a woman, but neither do I think that sex with a woman has to be lowered to being gross. My attraction to men is just that -- it is not an aversion to women or their body parts. Now granted, I don't crave cock, so if the story doesn't have an adult masculine male whose primary sex toy is using his mouth or ass to please, then its most likely going to be a "sleeper" not a "keeper" story to me. For instance, a story that was about two guys jacking off or just standing'and posing.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I'd rather read a story where a bunch of ladies in a nursing home put on strap-on's and fuck a hairy guy until he involuntary cums without even touching his cock. At least then he would be getting some action on his ass that would turn me on to watch.

I still think that this whole subdividing stuff can get carried away. What is next after bi. Should we have one where all the characters are over a certain height, certain religion, certain age, certain race?

Heaven forbid that someone wanting to read a bi sex story about a tall Swedish man and his Swedish Lutheran in-laws having a threesome and in comes a short stocky burka-wearing Lesbian from Lebanon who converts the mother-in-law to an islamic lesbianic lifestyle. Interpol suspects that the woman will make her into a suicide bomber, so to save Europe and his wife, the man voluntary undergoes a sex change operation. The son-in-law finds out about it and starts to tell his own wife, so to stop him he is forced to have a sex change operation. then the two end up penetrating the underground Lebanese gay culture to find their loved one.

 

[wonderingdude]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

What?

 

[Stella_Omega]

Does it bother you that a "dick" is in the story simply because it IS there, OR because the women in it are portrayed as preferring it or at some point "needing" it?

I think she made it pretty clear that she didn't want dick in her lesbian stories. Not better dick or worse dick, not pink, blue, or alien dick-- Simply, no. Dick.

Because, see-- she doesn't like dick, and doesn't want to read about it in her lesbian fiction.

See? Some people are funny that way.

And as a writer, I don't want her to give me a lower score because she found dick in my story.

While I can find some "pure" gay stories as hot, I do realize that some of them are so far fetched. Stories where male only "families" are created because the women died or cruelly dumped them in either case they discovered hot m2m sex was. I seriously doubt that most males who love gay sex got that way because they had wives die or their wife was mean and dumped them.

I wouldn't like a gay male story where the gay sex was just a diversion until they could have "real" sex with a woman, but neither do I think that sex with a woman has to be lowered to being gross. My attraction to men is just that -- it is not an aversion to women or their body parts.

And that's how I feel about men myself! What a coincidence! But-- you're not going to find my stories on lit until there's a place for them.

because, as a writer, I don;t want str8t men giving me crappy scores because they found dick in one of my stories.

Now granted, I don't crave cock, so if the story doesn't have an adult masculine male whose primary sex toy is using his mouth or ass to please, then its most likely going to be a "sleeper" not a "keeper" story to me. For instance, a story that was about two guys jacking off or just standing'and posing.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I'd rather read a story where a bunch of ladies in a nursing home put on strap-on's and fuck a hairy guy until he involuntary cums without even touching his cock. At least then he would be getting some action on his ass that would turn me on to watch.

I still think that this whole subdividing stuff can get carried away. What is next after bi. Should we have one where all the characters are over a certain height, certain religion, certain age, certain race?

If age, religion, height-- were as fundamental to our identities and as controversial to others as our sexual orientations are, then yeah, you would see something like that. But take a look at how many subdivisions lit stories already have; just about all of them cater to heterosexuals. I mean seriously, I would like to see a lesbian BDSM section. A gay BDSM section. Not every gay man wants to read the rough stuff, some of them are kinda vanilla...

Heaven forbid that someone wanting to read a bi sex story about a tall Swedish man and his Swedish Lutheran in-laws having a threesome and in comes a short stocky burka-wearing Lesbian from Lebanon who converts the mother-in-law to an islamic lesbianic lifestyle. Interpol suspects that the woman will make her into a suicide bomber, so to save Europe and his wife, the man voluntary undergoes a sex change operation. The son-in-law finds out about it and starts to tell his own wife, so to stop him he is forced to have a sex change operation. then the two end up penetrating the underground Lebanese gay culture to find their loved one.

Damn! I'd read that!

 

[ladiromance]

I think there should be a bi category. There are a lot of us bi's out here.

 

[none2_none2]

I think she made it pretty clear that she didn't want dick in her lesbian stories. Not better dick or worse dick, not pink, blue, or alien dick-- Simply, no. Dick.

Because, see-- she doesn't like dick, and doesn't want to read about it in her lesbian fiction.

See? Some people are funny that way.

It is still nice to know the underlying reason for it. Remember I'm not trying to recruit her to the gay male lifestyle. Realize that if we never talk, we never understand each other. I thought most lesbians were some variation on either:
1) Virgin Mary's or
2) Coupled up for 40 years with one other gal to go camping with and sing folks songs and strum the guitar

However, when one lesbian took an interest in me and talked about her view of the world, I realized just how unrealistic my idea of lesbians life was.

She explained to me that lesbians can be just as slutty as gay men. She said that just because glory holes don't work as well for tongues, toes, and fingers doesn't mean the same desires do not exist in women.

I've known (indirectly) about a straight woman who was so tired of penises. I think she was either a physician's assistant or a nurse in the county who had to check penises all day long for STD's. She told my friend that sometimes she felt like screaming if she had to see one more penis before her day ended.

I should mention that the lesbian I referenced earlier was on a camping trip years ago. She, a gay friend (plutonic), and myself desperately needed a shower. Well the lake was flooded, but we did find a hose at some lake building. At first I though. Oh my Gosh, I've never been naked around a woman since I was five years old. I thought I shouldn't be seeing breasts,etc. Well we were dirty, so we showered. I also realized that though it was strange, there was nothing gross about the nudity. She wasn't attractive by the standards that straight society judges the ideal woman's form, but she was a beautiful human being. So if her description was used in a porn story, I wouldn't get grossed out. I might not masturbate during that part of the story, but I wouldn't throw down my laptop and swear I'd like to kill the author for ruining my story by daring to describe a woman in my gay male story.

If age, religion, height-- were as fundamental to our identities and as controversial to others as our sexual orientations are, then yeah, you would see something like that. But take a look at how many subdivisions lit stories already have; just about all of them cater to heterosexuals. I mean seriously, I would like to see a lesbian BDSM section. A gay BDSM section. Not every gay man wants to read the rough stuff, some of them are kinda vanilla...
Damn! I'd read that!

FYI, Right now my height is very fundamental to me. I'm having a not of neck issues. A few years ago I had to have some epidurals. I told my partner that I cannot be messing with chicken's with a top screen that is only 6' when I'm 6'2. try walking around in a space that is 2" short, and you end up crooking your neck more than bending your knees. When he leaves me to do them, I have pain afterwards. I have a similar problem in some other animal areas, plus he has remodeled the upstairs (quasi attic) with the same problem. Now I'm taking Hydrocodone as well as some anti anti-inflamitory. I've also lost strength in my left arm and pain in my back from the neck down the angle wing on my left side. I cannot sleep very comfortably. So right now I'm VERY angry about how some people cannot get it through their head that a slightly shorter space is NOT acceptable. It is painful and debilitating. I just hope it isn't permanent. I'm sure I'll probably have to have more epidurals.

I'm also very aware of my weight as I think it is affecting my health. I cannot even tie my shoes without feeling cramped. If I don't loose the weight, I'll follow my dad's path to diabetes. So be quite honest, age, weight, and height are constantly on my mind. My gayness is not. Now maybe if being gay caused me pain like I'm in right now, I might feel otherwise.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Well, the underlying reason is that she doesn't like dick, and dick isn't sexy to her in stories, and she's exercising her choice not to read stories with dicks in them and be turned off. You could probably say she's heterophobic.


You need to take a big old hammer to your partner and get him to figure those crucial two inches out. Three, would be better. Four, in case you happen to be wearing shoes.