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Ramone45 said:
This is not entirely true. Incidents like these are complex and multifactorial. We do have problems with being good and respecting authority and following proper procedure. Society has to respect the police and that's what these Grand Juries did. I agree that these people should not be dead. But I would not want either of them in my community. They were sociopaths. They broke laws and they defied authority. Why are we ignoring the dozens of young black men murdered every day? Why don't we hold "the community" responsible when they refuse to cooperate and when they protect the murderers? How would you feel if you were a cop and the witnesses refuse to cooperate? Would you begin to think that maybe black lives are cheap?
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What's so complex about a guy getting chocked out on camera all the while saying "I can't breathe"? seems pretty cut and dry to me. I'm sure there's plenty worse things going on in your community than some guy selling loose cigarettes. How about this? How about you start snitching on all the covert white supremacists, bigots-in-badge, insider traders, and other corrupt authority figures in your family/community structure and we'll do the same? We can do without the whole presumptuous finger waging "I know what's best for you even though I haven't walked a mile in your shoes" type of thing. You don't have the moral authority to tell us anything about snitching. It's easy to be a snitch when your safety is guaranteed by the institutions, it's a different matter when it's not. People got kids and loved ones to think about, I guess we should do the right thing and rat on the boss operating next door. Very brilliant there chief. I don't see how anything could go wrong.
 
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Ramone45 said:
I agree that these people should not be dead. But I would not want either of them in my community. They were sociopaths.
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Look, a guy peddling untaxed cigarettes or pinching cigarillos is not a "sociopath."
 
Garner was a sociopath because he was selling loose cigarettes?


I love the way these nuts turn on a dime from screaming "Freeeeeedom!" To "always obey authority!"
 
Queersetti said:
Garner was a sociopath because he was selling loose cigarettes?


I love the way these nuts turn on a dime from screaming "Freeeeeedom!" To "always obey authority!"
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Every store here sell loosies. Guess they are sociopaths too.
 
Queersetti said:
Garner was a sociopath because he was selling loose cigarettes?


I love the way these nuts turn on a dime from screaming "Freeeeeedom!" To "always obey authority!"
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I don't think that the definition of freedom is the ability to break laws.
 
smoothg103rd said:
Money is the root of all evil.
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No. The Bible verse is "Love of money is the root of all evil."

The snitch meme is the coward's way out of doing the right thing. You see someone steal from your friend, but you don't say anything? That's chickenshit, even for a whiteboy like you.
 
Ramone45 said:
Nowhere near the same thing. Doesn't it seem ridiculous the levels to which we are elevating this man?
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I think it's ridiculous to lump someone who breaks a minor tax law into the category of sociopaths.
 
cjh said:
I think it's ridiculous to lump someone who breaks a minor tax law into the category of sociopaths.
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But that's not all he did. Law abiding businesses logged numerous complaints against him. He also resisted the lawful request of a police officer. Out of curiosity, once this encounter began, what should the cop have done? Maybe issue more verbal warnings not to resist? Perhaps tell him he could either come like a gentleman or be subject to force? Tell him he would subdue him with pepper spray or a Taser? What if the cop did that and the victim still died? What if the man simply ran away and dropped dead of a heart attack? Unfortunately, the man appeared to have many pre-existing conditions and limited physical reserve.
 
KingOrfeo said:
Perhaps not, but it should include the freedom to at least be insolent to the police.
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Agreed, but this appeared to take it to another level. I believe cops interpret withdrawal from apprehension as aggression.
 
Ramone45 said:
But that's not all he did. Law abiding businesses logged numerous complaints against him. He also resisted the lawful request of a police officer. Out of curiosity, once this encounter began, what should the cop have done? Maybe issue more verbal warnings not to resist? Perhaps tell him he could either come like a gentleman or be subject to force? Tell him he would subdue him with pepper spray or a Taser? What if the cop did that and the victim still died? What if the man simply ran away and dropped dead of a heart attack? Unfortunately, the man appeared to have many pre-existing conditions and limited physical reserve.
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Give him a fucking ticket.

By your logic the cop is a sociopath for using a prohibited choke hold.
 
bronzeage said:
No. The Bible verse is "Love of money is the root of all evil."

The snitch meme is the coward's way out of doing the right thing. You see someone steal from your friend, but you don't say anything? That's chickenshit, even for a whiteboy like you.
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You must not know what a snitch is. Telling your friend that you know who stole from him, doesn't label you as a snitch.


And if you think I'm a white boy then so be it. It's not my style to try and make someone believe me. Even though I like proving people wrong. But I won't waste the effort on you.
 
Ramone45 said:
Unfortunately, the man appeared to have many pre-existing conditions and limited physical reserve.
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So? In criminal as in civil law, you take the victim as you find him. It is no defense to say a healthier victim would not have been injured to the same degree by the same trauma. And the police, of course, have to deal with people in all different physical conditions, and they know it.
 
KingOrfeo said:
No one ever said it before, AFAIK. But it's true, in every human culture more advanced than the hunting-gathering stage. Money = material wealth. Civilization is based on that.
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I don't understand this but ok
 
Ramone45 said:
it is my understanding that is how police interpret it
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Trying to get away (even aggressively) does not carry the death penalty.
The police need to start responding proportionally to people they interact with and they need to be held to account when they don't.
 
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