So I'm watching the Democratic debate taking place in TX...

[Purple Haze]

Our country is doomed no matter who wins.

Hearing this from you only makes me certain there's hope for the future.

Rock on, Obama!

 

[DevilishTexan]

Hearing this from you only makes me certain there's hope for the future.

Rock on, Obama!

Did I say you could address me fuckstick?

 

[Purple Haze]

You must be overjoyed that the next president will be a black dude.

Sweet...

 

[DevilishTexan]

You must be overjoyed that the next president will be a black dude.

Sweet...

Honestly I could give a fuck. I know whats coming so it doesn't matter.


With that said, better him than Hillary. But I'm gonna make sure I don't break 100K next year. Because I won't see most of it.

 

[Purple Haze]

With that said, better him than Hillary.

We agree on something, but I'm sure it's not for similar reasons.

Would eight more years of Boy George be better?

Be honest now...

 

[DevilishTexan]

We agree on something, but I'm sure it's not for similar reasons.

Would eight more years of Boy George be better?

Be honest now...

Course not. FUCK NO! One of these days you people are gonna figure out I say what I mean.

 

[Lasher]

Oh, and neither has a hope in hell of being an effective C-in-C.

Par for the course since Bush 41 left office.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

...and I'm becoming increasingly convinced that neither Obama or Clinton have the experience necessary to be President.

Oh, and neither has a hope in hell of being an effective C-in-C.

They both have more experience than Lincoln did.

 

[damnewc]

So no one who has been President has ever had strong domestic or foreign policy experience prior to becoming President?

That is not what I said. I said nothing can prepare a person for that job. nd that we should not trust people who seek it.

 

[islandman]

That is not what I said. I said nothing can prepare a person for that job. nd that we should not trust people who seek it.

Why can't anything prepare a person for that job?

I believe otherwise. If you have the ability to manage large organizations - on the scale of CA, TX, NY among others that on their own would be some of the most populous countries in the world - then that person has an advantage over someone who has never had executive responsibility.

 

[islandman]

They both have more experience than Lincoln did.

How many Lincolns are there? How many Tafts are there?

 

[Hester]

Why can't anything prepare a person for that job?

I believe otherwise. If you have the ability to manage large organizations - on the scale of CA, TX, NY among others that on their own would be some of the most populous countries in the world - then that person has an advantage over someone who has never had executive responsibility.

true. i would also submit that there's a huge difference between managing a large corporation and managing a large bureaucracy. having worked in both i can say the differences can be staggering.

 

[islandman]

true. i would also submit that there's a huge difference between managing a large corporation and managing a large bureaucracy. having worked in both i can say the differences can be staggering.

Agreed, which is why I left it generally as a 'large organization'. No corporation would compare in complexity, but I would argue being the governor of CA or NY would be a proxy.

 

[Hester]

Agreed, which is why I left it generally as a 'large organization'. No corporation would compare in complexity, but I would argue being the governor of CA or NY would be a proxy.

not just complexity, but the differences between managing an organization in which one can basically dictate and one in which there is an entrenched, plural version of tyranny.

 

[Jack_Windmere]

Agreed, which is why I left it generally as a 'large organization'. No corporation would compare in complexity, but I would argue being the governor of CA or NY would be a proxy.

You'd at least have had experience and bottom line responsibility for the lives of millions of people.

Sad that government has so much control over the lives of individuals, but, so long as it does, there is something to be said for people who have had experience in such matters and some record of success in enacting policy.

That being said, we are facing the near certainty of our next President having had no such executive experience.

 

[damnewc]

Why can't anything prepare a person for that job?

I believe otherwise. If you have the ability to manage large organizations - on the scale of CA, TX, NY among others that on their own would be some of the most populous countries in the world - then that person has an advantage over someone who has never had executive responsibility.

Sure, but that does not give them the experience needed to handle the job in question.

The job in question holds much more than the management of a large state or corporation in that persons' hands.

 

[islandman]

Sure, but that does not give them the experience needed to handle the job in question.

The job in question holds much more than the management of a large state or corporation in that persons' hands.

There is no 'experience to handle the job', short of getting another country's head of state to become President. But the skill-set required to govern a large state lends itself to running the country. Scale isn't an issue when the candidate has a demonstrated ability to lead. Clinton, Obama and McCain have led nothing of consequence.

 

[islandman]

You'd at least have had experience and bottom line responsibility for the lives of millions of people.

Sad that government has so much control over the lives of individuals, but, so long as it does, there is something to be said for people who have had experience in such matters and some record of success in enacting policy.

That being said, we are facing the near certainty of our next President having had no such executive experience.

Glad to see that i'm not alone in this thinking.

 

[damnewc]

There is no 'experience to handle the job', short of getting another country's head of state to become President. But the skill-set required to govern a large state lends itself to running the country. Scale isn't an issue when the candidate has a demonstrated ability to lead. Clinton, Obama and McCain have led nothing of consequence.

Okay, I am a tad disgruntled with our system. That being said......

I find it hard to believe that any person running for POTUS is earnestly seeking to serve our nation. I suspect that most anyone running today is self-serving. However, for me, I want the person best able to handle the most impossible crisis imaginable.

There is no possible way to get experience for that.

Forced to choose between the three you mentioned, I think that McCain keeping his head enough to survive the USS Forrestal disaster. Is that fair to the others? Perhaps not.