Socialism - those that live under that rule are desperately trying to escape it

[LeeKee]

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Helping people is the name they always use to tighten the noose. The mouse in the trap never asked why the cheese was free.

 

[LeeKee]

Still no signs of anyone trying to escape socialism.

None? Are you so sure, comrade?

Re-fuckin-markable you never mention North Korea.
I have literally taken college courses in South Korea with escaped North Koreans, from the gulag as guest speakers. Several courses in fact.

Can you find North Korea on a map?

Now, explain North Korea. And go.

(100% certain you wont because you cant.)

 

[LeeKee]

Still no signs of anyone trying to escape socialism.

Has to be the single most absurd comment in the forum, ever. Congratulations.

 

[Bray123]

None? Are you so sure, comrade?

Re-fuckin-markable you never mention North Korea.
I have literally taken college courses in South Korea with escaped North Koreans, from the gulag as guest speakers. Several courses in fact.

Can you find North Korea on a map?

Now, explain North Korea. And go.

(100% certain you wont because you cant.)

Find a definition of 'socialism' and apply it to North Korea. There will be few matches, the official ideology there is Kimilsungism.

Actually there are more similarities between Kim Jong Un and Trump. Except that Kim doesn't appear to be a pedophile.

 

[LeeKee]

Find a definition of 'socialism' and apply it to North Korea. There will be few matches, the official ideology there is Kimilsungism.

Actually there are more similarities between Kim Jong Un and Trump. Except that Kim doesn't appear to be a pedophile.

Congrats! Just one upped Wilson.

Has any of you fans of socialism and/or communism ever actually traveled outside of the continental US?

Seems all the tough talk about wanting to subjecting all of American society to socialism comes from weak in character, lazy and very sheltered individuals who talk from theory instead of experience.

Singling out taxes for roads and police doesn't make an entire govt/economic/social system "socialist"

And let's be honest, socialism is only the pathway to progressing to communism. Many many hybrid routes, tactics and methods but it all equates to control of the masses, share misery and destroying any and all who dont want to play along. Its mob mentality and its absolutely doesn't work as its branded.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Survey: Nearly two-thirds of young Americans support socialism​

The survey found 62 percent of American adults under age 30 hold a 'favorable' view of socialism.​

Cooper Cobbs '28 | Virginia Correspondent
June 20, 2025, 4:19 pm ET


According to a recent survey, 62 percent of American adults under 30 say they hold favorable views of socialism.

A Cato/YouGov survey conducted in March asked 2,000 American adults a range of questions about U.S. fiscal policy. The survey found that 62 percent of adults under age 30 expressed a favorable view of socialism, while just 38 percent held an unfavorable view.

When asked, “Do you have a favorable or unfavorable view of Communism?”, 34 percent of respondents aged 18–29 answered “favorable,” with 66 percent answering “unfavorable.” Only 14 percent of total respondents held a favorable view of communism...

Cato Institute Senior Editor Michael Chapman explained that the poll did not define socialism, leaving it up to the respondents to determine what the term meant. He noted that regardless of which of the many definitions of socialism the respondents may have had in mind, all forms of socialism share a “disdain for capitalism.”

https://www.campusreform.org/articl...hirds-young-americans-support-socialism/28114

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Gallup

Democrats are the only partisan group of the three that views socialism more positively than capitalism — 66% to 42%...

Americans overall continue to be skeptical of socialism, but Democrats are the exception. Since 2016, more Democrats have held positive views of socialism than of capitalism, with the gap expanding to 24 points today. Democrats’ more positive views of socialism occur at a time when many high-profile Democratic officials — most notably, Sen. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, as well as New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani — have identified themselves as Democratic socialists and advocated policies calling for a significantly expanded government role in economic matters.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/694835/image-capitalism-slips.aspx

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Pew Research Center, May 31, 2024

The share of Americans who are in the middle class is smaller than it used to be. In 1971, 61% of Americans lived in middle-class households. By 2023, the share had fallen to 51%, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of government data...

The share of total U.S. household income held by the middle class has fallen almost without fail in each decade since 1970. In that year, middle-income households accounted for 62% of the aggregate income of all U.S. households, about the same as the share of people who lived in middle-class households.

https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2024/05/31/the-state-of-the-american-middle-class/

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The Century Foundation, December 11, 2025

A new survey of 1,426 registered voters, conducted by GQR on behalf of The Century Foundation (TCF),1 provides fresh evidence of the extent to which families are struggling in President Trump’s economy. While financial insecurity is widespread, younger Americans, people of color, and women are disproportionately suffering and increasingly forced to make difficult tradeoffs—from skipping medical care and meals to relying on payday loans and cash advances...

Working-class voters feel the pain of Trump’s inflationary decisions most acutely and are more likely to depend on risky, high-cost financial products such as payday loans to bridge the gap between their wages and rising expenses. Lastly, Americans of all backgrounds overwhelmingly support policies that put money back in families’ pockets and curb the influence of corporations and the ultra-wealthy...

• Americans increasingly cannot afford the basic building blocks of a healthy, stable life. Roughly three in ten voters delayed or skipped medical care in the past year due to cost, while nearly two-thirds switched to cheaper groceries or bought less food altogether. About half tapped into their savings to cover everyday expenses.
• Working-class Americans live in a substantially harsher economy—and they feel the strain of worsening economic conditions more acutely in their lives.

https://tcf.org/content/report/surv...nd-its-hitting-the-working-class-the-hardest/

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When people say that they prefer socialism to capitalism they do not mean that they prefer the economic system that existed in the Soviet Union. They mean that capitalism is not working for them. For a growing percentage of the American people it is not. Meanwhile the rich keep getting richer.

 

[Bray123]

Congrats! Just one upped Wilson.

Has any of you fans of socialism and/or communism ever actually traveled outside of the continental US?

Seems all the tough talk about wanting to subjecting all of American society to socialism comes from weak in character, lazy and very sheltered individuals who talk from theory instead of experience.

Singling out taxes for roads and police doesn't make an entire govt/economic/social system "socialist"

And let's be honest, socialism is only the pathway to progressing to communism. Many many hybrid routes, tactics and methods but it all equates to control of the masses, share misery and destroying any and all who dont want to play along. Its mob mentality and its absolutely doesn't work as its branded.

Fucking hell, you're poorly educated. Typical Trump supporter.

 

[LeeKee]

Fucking hell, you're poorly educated. Typical Trump supporter.

Youre supposed academic pedigree doesn't outweigh the strength of my argument.

If your SO educated, point to beaming success in your brand of socialism. And can you do as if you were acting like an adult, not adolescent weak cursing points.

Ill wait, but not long.

 

[LeeKee]

Fucking hell, you're poorly educated. Typical Trump supporter.

Id dare you to look those escaped Norht Koreas that I met in the eye and tell them they are just too ignorant to understand the beauty of socialism/communism.

what would you say to them?

Ill wait. I wanna hear this.

 

[LeeKee]

Fucking hell, you're poorly educated. Typical Trump supporter.

And Bray, education is from an institute. Its controlled and packaged. All conceptual.

Experience makes the expert.

 

[Iluv17]

100% TRUTH

 

[Baztrachian]

Find a definition of 'socialism' and apply it to North Korea.

North Korea's particular brand of Marxist-Leninism is called Juche.

It is a nationalistic form of socialism but one that is communist and authoritarian along Soviet and Maoist lines.

All the same, Juche is socialism with all property in the hands of the State, the economy is run by the State, and people's lives are also run by the State. Like Soviet and Maoist socialist institutions Juche leans into fealty to a single leader who must be followed unquestionably and without hesitation upon fear of death.

The Soviets had this with Stalin and after his death they distanced themselves from charismatic leadership, a move that led to the downfall of the USSR in 1989-1991. China did the same after Mao died and dispersed the single authority into more diffused juntas of generally three leaders with one in the figurehead role. This is working for China for now.

North Korea remains invested in their denomination of socialism and reform at this point seems less likely than collapse.

I imagine the end for the Kim family/regime will come about much the same as it did for Romania's Ceausescu. One day the people will simply stop fearing their government and the end will be sudden and swift with their Great Leader dying in a hail of bullets.

But yeah, North Korea is a socialist country.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Whether it is socialist tyranny, ( a la China, North Korea) or fascist capitalist tyranny (a la Iran, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan) the end results are the same- people want to escape it.

Who can blame them?

The point is, tyranny and oppression is tyranny and oppression, regardless of whether it's "Left Wing" or "Right Wing" in nature. NEITHER option is acceptable for a free society like the United States.

So with that, the original premise here is not wrong, but we have to ask ourselves, regarding the United States, whether America is drifting towards an authoritarian, dictatorial state, and whether the fact that it is NOT "Socialist" is really any better than if it was.

To which I would say, 1) yes- and 2) it makes no difference. Tyranny and oppression is tyranny and oppression, regardless of which ideology it tries to impose.

 

[Bray123]

North Korea's particular brand of Marxist-Leninism is called Juche.

It is a nationalistic form of socialism but one that is communist and authoritarian along Soviet and Maoist lines.

All the same, Juche is socialism with all property in the hands of the State, the economy is run by the State, and people's lives are also run by the State. Like Soviet and Maoist socialist institutions Juche leans into fealty to a single leader who must be followed unquestionably and without hesitation upon fear of death.

The Soviets had this with Stalin and after his death they distanced themselves from charismatic leadership, a move that led to the downfall of the USSR in 1989-1991. China did the same after Mao died and dispersed the single authority into more diffused juntas of generally three leaders with one in the figurehead role. This is working for China for now.

North Korea remains invested in their denomination of socialism and reform at this point seems less likely than collapse.

I imagine the end for the Kim family/regime will come about much the same as it did for Romania's Ceausescu. One day the people will simply stop fearing their government and the end will be sudden and swift with their Great Leader dying in a hail of bullets.

But yeah, North Korea is a socialist country.

I didn't mention Marxist-Leninism.

I said, 'Socialism'. Which happens to be the subject.

This is one definition, there are many like it.
Socialism is an economic and political system based on public or collective ownership of the means of production, aiming to reduce inequality by distributing wealth and resources according to human needs rather than profit. It promotes cooperation, often involving state regulation or planning to manage industries and provide essential services like healthcare and education

North Korea's regime has more to do with MAGATism than Socialism.
Glorification of the leader, absolute acceptance of what the leader just said as the Truth without reference to what can be seen through the window.
Ultra-patriotism, the display of flags and the leader's image.
Dissent against the Leader deserves punishment. Including the prosecution of any law enforcement who have dared to investigate the Leader.
Disregard for liberal democracy, claiming that any election lost was due to fraud.
Supremacy of certain groups such as white Christians over brown Muslims.
The use of the military/violence to achieve state goals despite the deaths of innocent persons is justified.
Scapegoating any opposition, naming them as 'communists', 'fake news'.

Oh wait, I just described the tenets of Nazism.

 

[Quimpossibility]

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Can you name one example of a country actually run on socialist principles where this has happened?

The biggest sources if refugees right now are places like Afghanistan and iran (I know weird right!). Are they socialist? By what standards?

 

[SebastianHolt]

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yet these twats are too stupid to see reality

 

[SebastianHolt]

Can you name one example of a country actually run on socialist principles where this has happened?

The biggest sources if refugees right now are places like Afghanistan and iran (I know weird right!). Are they socialist? By what standards?

socialism never works as you always run out of money or become corrupt

 

[Iluv17]

yet these twats are too stupid to see reality

Young ,dumb and INDOCRINATED!

 

[Quimpossibility]

socialism never works as you always run out of money or become corrupt

sorry, i meant socialism....not capitalism

 

[Quimpossibility]

yet these twats are too stupid to see reality

You were asked to back up your claims and you've pivoted to abuse.

Not a great look

 

[SebastianHolt]

You were asked to back up your claims and you've pivoted to abuse.

Not a great look

as if oyu losers matter. you can't afford to get on the island where I live let along buy a property. your bottom 10-20% scum

 

[Quimpossibility]

as if oyu losers matter. you can't afford to get on the island where I live let along buy a property. your bottom 10-20% scum

You seem to feel threatened, why? I live on an island too. Great isn't it!

 

[SebastianHolt]

sorry, i meant socialism....not capitalism

you love Trump as here been the best we've had since Trump!

 

[SebastianHolt]

Young ,dumb and INDOCRINATED!

they are so stupid

 

[SebastianHolt]

Can you name one example of a country actually run on socialist principles where this has happened?

The biggest sources if refugees right now are places like Afghanistan and iran (I know weird right!). Are they socialist? By what standards?

sad you think Iran is socialist ... wow