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[Tzara]

Now, Tzara are we all saying pretty much the same thing? Except now, adjectives are now thrown in, suffixing a word does not make an adjective and that is would be another topic, wouldn't it?

Yes, we are saying basically the same thing. I meant to state that in my post but forgot to. It was not my intent to imply I was saying something different from what you and Angie said. Samew idea, different construct.

The operative is know what you are doing, and the really sad part is you can't know everything.
Suffixing tends to weaken a word is what I said, it was questioned. Good. It is easy to remember, now both Angeline and you come in the grammatical reasons, for some of it, it all backs up what I gave the newbs doesn't it? So far so good. What is the easiest thing to remember.
Suffixing tends to weaken a word (This also includes some overblown nouns.)
Think, is that what you want?
Neither one of these statements is dogmatic. And I gave contrary indications.

btw, looks like Ang and I largely agree, tod. For the most part, all better writers do, different phrasing, slightly different take.
THINK - we all agree on that.

How nice for you to show up, summarize and conveniently forget the fact that it was something I said that was questioned, defended.
Yes, I remember vividly that nomination, where all I was good for was comments. Fuck, now you have Tazz for that, don't you?
Thank you.
Suffixing tends to weaken a word
Think, is that what you want?
is largely what they need to know, for now.

You seem to want to bring up my nomination of you for Poet of the Year, or whatever it was called, as some kind of insult. The nomination was, at the time, seriously meant, though I knew you would be uncomfortable with it, so I meant it to be a kind of tease.

It obviously was unsettling to you. I apologize for making you uncomfortable. It was intended to be complementary, though that bombed big time.

Can we please drop that whole thing now? I will try to avoid any semi-personal reference to you at all in the future.

Let me, in fact, state that anything I might post here explicitly has no reference to you unless I am quoting something you have posted.

Is that clear enough?

 

[twelveoone]

I don't think the issue is so much a suffix as such, but rather parts of speech. What you are striving for in poetry is vivid imagery and interesting sound. As Angie said, suffixes on verbs often change the tense of the verb ("walk" vs. "walked," for example), but they can also change the part of speech. For example:

• John walks across the room. (verb, present tense)
• John walked across the room. (verb, past tense)
• John is walking across the room (participle, part of a verb phrase)
• John is the one walking across the room. (participle, part of an adjectival phrase, I think)
• The walking man is John. (adjective)
• Walking is John's favorite activity. (noun/gerund)

If I'd chosen my example better (say, using "swim" as the root word), I could also have made an adverb (like "swimmingly").

Now there aren't any "rules" about what kind of words are acceptable in a poem and what kinds of words are not, but generally speaking the strongest words are the more basic ones--nouns and verbs are generally more vivid that adjectives which are generally more vivid than adverbs. Novice writers try to make writing vivid by piling on adjectives and adverbs: "The pale-skinned, white-haired, excessively thin man spoke wheedlingly and shrilly to the police officer." It usually is better to try and choose stronger and more specific/visual nouns and verbs than to ornament descriptions with adjectives and adverbs: "The thin albino whined to the officer."

But--and this is what makes it so hard to learn--sometimes you want the ornament. You may want it for reasons of sound, of characterization, or whatever.

Why there are no final answers.

I would not think of disagreeing with any of this
but wtf
generally speaking the stronger word would be the one without a suffix?

K.I.S.S.

and further off topic

 

[HarryHill]

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