Ted Cruz: Just Another Tea Party Hypocrite

[RjThoughts]

And he called for ALL disaster bills that went to Southern states to be the same? Doubt that!

 

[RjThoughts]

I've seen nothing that indicates he has a different position for disaster relief bills based upon where a state is located geographically. His original comments surrounding the Sandy Relief bill were focused on the victims of that tragedy...where they should have been.

The point of my post was just to illustrate that there was more, significantly more, to the issue than the original post and I thought everyone should be aware. Ted's position on the Sandy Relief Bill is grounded in a defensible, reasonable, rational position.

The majority of the coverage on this issue screams "hypocrite", when in fact, a closer look at the issue reveals the exact opposite.

The point is...
If you want to say, "I've seen nothing that indicates he has a different position for disaster relief bills based upon where a state is located geographically," show your proof.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Here's the thing, unless you're going to set up a bill in advance. Like right now for the next hurricane once the disaster hits the time to talk has passed. You basically pass whatever is handed to you, hope nobody snuck in an attack Russia clause and unfuck it later.

 

[RjThoughts]

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/27/ted-cruz-demands-federal-money-texas-floods-blocking-hurricane-sandy-relief.html

 

[patient1]

Just a quick note, because relevant information seemed to be left out of the original article.

Cruz said in 2013 that he voted against the Sandy bill because it was laden with other spending not related to the hurricane, which decimated the East Coast, dealing the worst blows to New York and New Jersey. The storm killed 117 people in the United States.

"Emergency relief for the families who are suffering from this natural disaster should not be used as a Christmas tree for billions in unrelated spending, including projects such as Smithsonian repairs, upgrades to National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration airplanes, and more funding for Head Start," Cruz said at the time.

“This bill is symptomatic of a larger problem in Washington — an addiction to spending money we do not have. The United States Senate should not be in the business of exploiting victims of natural disasters to fund pork projects that further expand our debt.”

The rationale for wanting a 'clean' bill for Sandy relief that focused on the victims seems legitimate to me. Senators and Representatives who (D or R) who piled on additional, unrelated spending are the ones who should have been called out for inappropriate behavior. When disaster strikes, the victims should take priority...not spending for spending sake, cloaked in a relief bill.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...floods-voted-against-hurricane-sandy-funding/

Well, now that you mention it, this is in line with what I recall him saying at the time.

 

[renard_ruse]

Stop trying to convince me to support Cruz. Right now I'm torn between Rand Paul because of foreign policy and Elizabeth Warren because of trade and economic issues. Kindly stop making Cruz look appealing by demonizing him.

 

[BotanyBoy]

At what point were you interviewing the looters ("savages" who you said were shooting at you) to find out their political affiliation?

I didn't.....I'm just going off the demographics of the area I was in. How many inner city republicans you figure there are in Nawllinz? LOL

Outside of a few conspiracy nutjobs,

That's who the fuck I'm talking about.....the tin foil hat wearing loons, yea the left has them, usually gun hysterics that love their gun wielding security. But that doesn't stop the same batch of assholes from going all Infoe(D)Warz on a disaster, cuz Bush hates black people!!

Did you really think I meant the official fucking DNC platform, or any serious official reports??

the blame being placed on President Bush was for the abysmal response

By most, but crazy lib thinks Bush's private doomsday device was where it's at....or at least they did until they were told, and realized just how fucking retarded it was.

Hundreds of firefighters from other cities who volunteered to help in the response were rerouted to Atlanta, where they sat through two days of presentations on sexual harassment and the history of FEMA before being sent to New Orleans.

That's that liburhul bullshit and bureaucracy coming back to bite you in the ass....


"Firefighters, military, FEMA and any other first responders MUST have sensitivity training before they can do their job so as to reduce the risk of offending anyone!!!" said no republican ever.....EVER.

I guarantee you that is a policy that had to be fulfilled, a bureaucratic box to check or heads would roll.

It is in the military. No reason to believe FEMA/FD's/PD's etc aren't subject to the same kind of "sensitivity training" and it wasn't a fuckin' Repoh that put it there.

The only fuckin' morons who require these folks to put on bras/high heels and prance around in front of their peers before they are allowed to go do their jobs so that they know what it's like to "walk a mile in HER shoes" are democrats.

The complete failure of the response to New Orleans is strange.

LOL then you must not pay attention to the vast majority of government operations/plans/responses/programs.....

If you notice botany boy didn't bother to read the article -which has lots of first hand accounts from reporters who were there, unlike him- just complained it was from Mother Jones.

I read it, that's how I know nothing in there even attempts to dispute my claims that some crazy idiots actually think Bush sent Katrina to kill black people with his Dr.Evil Doom device......or that there were looters and a some scuffles/violent shit that popped up here and there.

Blown out of proportion from what FAUX would have you think? For sure....but it's not entirely untrue either. You're just mad because not enough democrat dick sucking going on for your liking.

Right now I'm torn between Rand Paul because of foreign policy

Just can't vote for a guy who doesn't want to have more endless welfare wars for the GOP can you? LOL Or is it the Christian crusades you want? IF that's your fancy go for Santorum.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

are you upset because he threatens your welfare party?

remember, the only man holding your kind down ... is your lover

Ted Cruz — who voted against Hurricane Sandy aid — calls for federal relief following Texas floods

Texas Sen. and Republican presidential hopeful Ted Cruz — who voted against aid in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy — called for federal relief Wednesday in the wake of devastating floods and storms that have ravaged his home state.

The Tea Party darling said he supports “the federal government fulfilling its statutory obligations, and stepping in to respond to this natural disaster,” in regards to the barrage of storms that have left at least 21 people dead and 11 others missing.

Cruz, 44, voted against a federal disaster relief bill after Sandy ravaged the East Coast in October 2012 calling the measure “symptomatic of a larger problem in Washington – an addiction to spending money we do not have.”

Video HERE

The Tea Party, against government hand outs - until they need help.

 

[Sean Renaud]

are you upset because he threatens your welfare party?

remember, the only man holding your kind down ... is your lover

No, we're upset because he threatens our welfare but sure as fuck wants welfare for himself. He's kinda like you in that way. You have no problem with you flood insurance being paid for by the rest of us even though you chose to live where you live. You could make a better decision and move to Nevada or Arizona or New Mexico where they virtually don't have natural disasters. Fires don't rage there annually like California and Texas, they don't get floods or hurricans, tornadoes are rare and as infrequent as earthquakes are they are far enough from the nearest major fault line that they are virtually immune to that. If your half as smart as you claim you could make anywhere on the planet that you choose (though nobody is actually that smart. Bill Gates would never have gotten started anywhere outside of America, socialist Europe or socialist Japan. Anywhere else he would never have built his empire) so surely you could move to someplace where you wouldn't cost me money?

It's a matter of having integrity. And he doesn't.

 

[DooleyDarter]

This whole issue can be nipped in the bud by not allowing any pork what so ever in any disaster relief bill. None of the fuckers have that balls to to whats right.

 

[Sean Renaud]

This whole issue can be nipped in the bud by not allowing any pork what so ever in any disaster relief bill. None of the fuckers have that balls to to whats right.

Pork is very difficult to define in reality. And honestly given how the last six years have gone I'm looking forward to having a president who doesn't give two shits about transparency (Obama might not be perfect but he's well above average in that department.) I want our shady backroom deals and bills laden with pork that actually get this, GET FUCKING PASSED once again. Not this we get to look at the bill and wonder why a bill for rebuilding the levees involves money to improve Central Park and magically can't get passed. We cannot afford another eight years of a Congress that cannot function. And lets face it money makes the world go round. I'm perfectly happy to eliminate lobbyists, overturn Citizen's United and a lot of the other money heading into Washington but nothing gets done in government (or honestly in the business world once you're talking above mom and pops level business) without greasing the wheels. That's simply the way the world works and I'm not Bot on this issue. I have little faith that a system that's remained fundamentally unchanged since the first time two tribes of humans met is ever going to change and I have no desire to ram my head against that wall trying to knock it over. Better men than me have tried and gotten only a split skull for their troubles.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Pork is very difficult to define in reality. And honestly given how the last six years have gone I'm looking forward to having a president who doesn't give two shits about transparency (Obama might not be perfect but he's well above average in that department.) I want our shady backroom deals and bills laden with pork that actually get this, GET FUCKING PASSED once again. Not this we get to look at the bill and wonder why a bill for rebuilding the levees involves money to improve Central Park and magically can't get passed. We cannot afford another eight years of a Congress that cannot function. And lets face it money makes the world go round. I'm perfectly happy to eliminate lobbyists, overturn Citizen's United and a lot of the other money heading into Washington but nothing gets done in government (or honestly in the business world once you're talking above mom and pops level business) without greasing the wheels. That's simply the way the world works and I'm not Bot on this issue. I have little faith that a system that's remained fundamentally unchanged since the first time two tribes of humans met is ever going to change and I have no desire to ram my head against that wall trying to knock it over. Better men than me have tried and gotten only a split skull for their troubles.

You can easily nip it in the bud, as a beneficial side effect it would prevent poison pill amendments from being tacked onto bills.

Make a law prohibiting the amending of unrelated matters to pending bills. If you want to finance your state's automobile industry (for example) then sponsor a spending bill for that purpose, not try to tack it on to the defense budget or budget increases for other things. If you want to try to outlaw abortion, then sponsor a bill to do that, don't try to sneak it in with the defense budget or tack it onto a beneficial social program bill JUST to kill it.

 

[RjThoughts]

You would think that it would be easy for Congress to come up with a law that would state ALL emergency/disaster bills MUST be clean.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You would think that it would be easy for Congress to come up with a law that would state ALL emergency/disaster bills MUST be clean.

But then who would get to make money off it??

 

[RjThoughts]

But then who would get to make money off it??

Haliburton

LOL couldn't resist

 

[Sean Renaud]

You can easily nip it in the bud, as a beneficial side effect it would prevent poison pill amendments from being tacked onto bills.

Make a law prohibiting the amending of unrelated matters to pending bills. If you want to finance your state's automobile industry (for example) then sponsor a spending bill for that purpose, not try to tack it on to the defense budget or budget increases for other things. If you want to try to outlaw abortion, then sponsor a bill to do that, don't try to sneak it in with the defense budget or tack it onto a beneficial social program bill JUST to kill it.

I don't think this would actually stop politicians from horse trading. One of two things would happen. Either the government would grind to a halt because people couldn't grease the wheels OR and I think this is more likely that they would just figure out a way to trust each other to vote for their pork bill after they voted for whatever you wanted or vice versa and people wouldn't keep their word to do just that would be completely ineffective in Congress and likely wouldn't last long because they wouldn't be bringing home the federal funding. I honestly trust that people who have reason to figure out how to work a system will inevitably figure out the most effective way to work the system. Even if it means working with people you claim not to like. Most people like themselves far more than they hate anybody else.

But I could be wrong. It's been known to happen from time to time and human behavior always has an X factor involved with it and you can never trust people 100% to do what is in their own best interests.

 

[patient1]

Stop trying to convince me to support Cruz. Right now I'm torn between Rand Paul because of foreign policy and Elizabeth Warren because of trade and economic issues. Kindly stop making Cruz look appealing by demonizing him.

I figured you'd be supporting a cultural conservative.

So you're tempted by Warren? I sincerely hope this doesn't mean that you're suffering economically.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Haliburton

LOL couldn't resist

Exactly....like Sean said you HAVE to grease the wheels.

If someone isn't getting paid the bill isn't happening. You didn't quit your job to go help out disaster victims did you? No one is getting out of bed to go help other folks just because it's the right thing to do....

Not enough money in the bill? Bill not happening....soooo it gets loaded down with shit like sensitivity training and Halliburton n' fuckin taco bell etc etc.

The real question is where is the balance?? Because it's true, sometimes too much grease.......wasteful grease expenditure.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Here's the thing, I honestly don't know shit about the sensitivity training for FEMA people nor do I know how necessary or unnecessary it is in practice. I can tell you what, if your actual goal is nation building and not Seek and Destroy your average Marine, especially your average Marine Grunt needs some goddamn sensitivity training. At least enough that you understand that some of these people, rightfully so, terrified of you. And just like police in the inner city if you're going to nation build you need the trust and support of the locals. You need them to look at ISIS, then look at you and realize that you are the good guy. Even if you did kill that kid's father. If you did that kid's gonna be a hard sell but you have to be in a position to try.

As for Halliburton, my problem with them is the likelihood that Chenney manipulated information and possible the president in order to enrich himself. Not that he got richer. Especially since a lot of things in real life are counter-intuitive or require knowledge you may or may not have. Like those world famous tanks Congress keeps building even though the Pentagon doesn't want them. However Congress "claims" that if you shut down the factory not only will you increase local unemployment but worse when the next generation of tanks comes out I believe in 2020 they will either be hiring people who (depending on when you count from. You could start today, or when it first came to the public's attention and in truth it had probably been going on for years prior to that.) haven't worked in the industry in years or haven't worked in it at all and the combination of bringing it back online, re-establishing supply chains that presumably would go away (taking more jobs) and training people back up to speed that it really might be cheaper to keep the factory open. I don't know for certain, I doubt the majority of people in the Pentagon have any practical knowledge of how to run a factory as far as costs go, and I'm betting that nobody reading this has run a business of that scale. In fact I would wager that the majority of us who claim to have started a business are. . .not being entirely honest. As a man with a business actual drug screening business once told me if you need to go to work at the business you started it's not a business. You're self employed. A business doesn't need you and if you died tomorrow your number two would be capable skill wise (if not financially in a position to buy whatever is necessary) to run it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Here's the thing, I honestly don't know shit about the sensitivity training for FEMA people nor do I know how necessary or unnecessary it is in practice. I can tell you what, if your actual goal is nation building and not Seek and Destroy your average Marine, especially your average Marine Grunt needs some goddamn sensitivity training.

Fuck that....grunts shouldn't be used as PC ambassadorial po-po. Not any more than a 1,000 year old samurai sword should be used as a fuckin screw driver/hammer to build a wood shed.

You want shit secured? Send the infantry.....you want people interaction? You need to send po-po because grunts are simply the WRONG fuckin' tool for that job.

Grunts are hounds that should be collared till it's fuckin GO time and only turned loose when it's time to close with and destroy the enemies of the US of A. Because that is what the fuck they are good at....

Need to train some more MP's imo....

 

[patient1]

Iraq I - Why didn't they have surrender terms drawn up ahead of time?

Iraq II- Why didn't they have Arab League peace keepers/military police ready to come in post-destruction? You know, people who could speak Farsi and understand Islamic law.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Fuck that....grunts shouldn't be used as PC ambassadorial po-po. Not any more than a 1,000 year old samurai sword should be used as a fuckin screw driver/hammer to build a wood shed.

You want shit secured? Send the infantry.....you want people interaction? You need to send po-po because grunts are simply the WRONG fuckin' tool for that job.

Grunts are hounds that should be collared till it's fuckin GO time and only turned loose when it's time to close with and destroy the enemies of the US of A. Because that is what the fuck they are good at....

Need to train some more MP's imo....

Oh I agree that grunts shouldn't be used in that capacity. We however know that they were for a variety of reasons including a lot of those places simply weren't particularly safe.

We don't really have appropriate po-po for the job. Besides depending on how dangerous the area is I would like someone there who's actually seen combat. But that was one of the biggest gripes the Marines had with the Iraq War. We're supposed to be the tip of the spear, we're really not equipped (in raw numbers forget skill sets) to be used as an occupational force. That job has traditionally fallen to the army. Just like whenever possible larger battles are sent to the Army. If you know where the enemy is and that he's got a lot of fuckers you send the goddamn army. You want the enemy found you send the Marines.

However I do agree.

Iraq I - Why didn't they have surrender terms drawn up ahead of time?

Iraq II- Why didn't they have Arab League peace keepers/military police ready to come in post-destruction? You know, people who could speak Farsi and understand Islamic law.

Iraq I: Nobody thinks ahead.

Iraq II: I don't think American's in general and the American leadership in particular had any group over there that they really trusted with the job. Call it paranoia that Iraq would have been annexed, or simply ignored. Call it arrogance that we think we're that much better than anybody else. Call it stupidity that we thought we could handle this kind of delicate work with a culture we fundamentally don't understand. Then realize it's probably all of the above.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

fact, you are a fuck up looking for a hand out

get a job
become a man and take the panties off, let your husband wear them

The point is...
If you want to say, "I've seen nothing that indicates he has a different position for disaster relief bills based upon where a state is located geographically," show your proof.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh I agree that grunts shouldn't be used in that capacity. We however know that they were for a variety of reasons including a lot of those places simply weren't particularly safe.

We don't really have appropriate po-po for the job. Besides depending on how dangerous the area is I would like someone there who's actually seen combat.

Well if the threat is so eminent maybe they need to rethinks their ass kiss, hippie dick suck, hearts and minds approach to dealing with a bunch of religious fundy whack jobs that want to kill us OR get the fuck out of their back yard like they asked. But then again I suppose no one ever accused a bunch of lawyers and bureaucrats of being able to wage war worth a fuckin' shit....

Iraq I - Why didn't they have surrender terms drawn up ahead of time?

Iraq II- Why didn't they have Arab League peace keepers/military police ready to come in post-destruction? You know, people who could speak Farsi and understand Islamic law.

Iraq I (Teh Storm): we didn't really go after them...we just kicked them out of Kuwait, defending our oil rich buddies, allies and assets. Nothing more, nothing less. It was the most textbook, clear cut, not even a joke defending our shit/friends wars in US history.

Iraq II (OIF): Because after we whacked the assholes in charge the goal was not to help or understand the people of Iraq...it was to bilk the tax payer. They were more busy with setting up shopping malls and taco bell on mega FOBs and making sure enough fuel, food and ammo were burned (tossed in a pit and burned) to meet budget quotas and shit than they were about combat operations. Shit there were selling Harley Davidsons and Chebby Silveradoez over there on the FOB's. War???...that went out the window like septemberish of 04 man and went total fuckin' circus style cluster fuck of the highest caliber you can imagine by early 06.

 

[JackLuis]

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