The Civility Continues

[4est_4est_Gump]

Also keep in mind that the Democrat Party does not debate, does not even try to use any reason or logic, their political purview is the appeal to emotion, the appeal to the heart, the voluntary rejection of the mind at the request of the heart...


So, they instill fear, hatred and make shameless use of what Ann Coulter dubbed, "the unassailable victim." A picture so sympathetic that to argue against its emotional appeal based on reason only proves how evil and cruel the other team is.

It's okay, to vilify the pure evil. You wouldn't lionize Hitler, Stalin or Mao, so how can you show any sympathy for people who would purposely harm cripples? the elderly? the veteran? CHILDREN!!!



That's why Johnny Depp urges assassination and why so many Democrats have begun engaging in acts of violence be it Antifa or the Alexandria shooter. "Those people" have it coming...

 

[BotanyBoy]

Well then, where can one get a short and crisp resume of what this bill really is?

They have to pass it for you to find out whats in it.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Well then, where can one get a short and crisp resume of what this bill really is?

It was released yesterday, I'm sure its on some government website somewhere in its initial form, which will not survive, but I guarantee you that it is not only too long to read, but written in language designed so that only faceless unelected bureaucrats will ever be able to divine any real meaning, intent and rules in it...

And this will be every bit the disaster that Obamacare was.

The only difference is that the Republicans were patient and ran against it in election after election whereas the Democrats have no patience, they would rather blow up the entire political process, maybe even the country to stop Republicans from doing anything.

WHAT WE WANT?

A dead bill!

WHEN DO WE WANT IT?

Now!

It's all about controlling ob emotions and the emotions they want to invoke now are sympathy and anger...

They could give a shit about what's in the bill.

They want single payer.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Well.. but... my request specifically said: plz dont tell me what you just did.

i said: i dunno much about this. i said: dont just throw 'they're idiots at me'.

i said: tell me what might have been their point of contention.

They have none? This bill is perfect? Trump called it "Mean" for nothing?

The only thing I can do, the only option to me is to tell you, as an outsider what is going on.

If you don't want me to tell you what is going on, then we cannot have a conversation about what is going on.

No one can cogently really tell you what is in the bill because (as the Democrats wish our Constitution was) it is a living document. It will be debated, changes will be made and then it will be reconciled (if it passes) with the House Bill (remember all of this Kabuki is now centered upon the Senate) and then and only then will we fully know what is in the bill.

Does that help you understand? Those people weren't concerned about what was in the bill, they're all probably collecting disability, Medicare or Medicaid, because it won't affect them! They are unassailable victims being wheeled out to elicit strong emotions.

Period. End of Story.

 

[Conager]

An entire generation of Social Security and Medicare recipients have died having never been actually victimized by Republicans as claimed by Democrat Mediscare tactics for the last 35 years.

 

[Ishmael]

An observation on the democrats "millions are going to die" mantra. Get a clue folks, every single human being on the face of the planet today is going to die eventually. There is no question of 'if', only how, what, where, and when.

Ishmael

 

[Conager]

Well then, where can one get a short and crisp resume of what this bill really is?

Reason . com

 

[EternalFantasies]

They have to pass it for you to find out whats in it.

It was released yesterday, I'm sure its on some government website somewhere in its initial form, which will not survive, but I guarantee you that it is not only too long to read, but written in language designed so that only faceless unelected bureaucrats will ever be able to divine any real meaning, intent and rules in it...

And this will be every bit the disaster that Obamacare was.

The only difference is that the Republicans were patient and ran against it in election after election whereas the Democrats have no patience, they would rather blow up the entire political process, maybe even the country to stop Republicans from doing anything.

WHAT WE WANT?

A dead bill!

WHEN DO WE WANT IT?

Now!

It's all about controlling ob emotions and the emotions they want to invoke now are sympathy and anger...

They could give a shit about what's in the bill.

They want single payer.

The only thing I can do, the only option to me is to tell you, as an outsider what is going on.

If you don't want me to tell you what is going on, then we cannot have a conversation about what is going on.

No one can cogently really tell you what is in the bill because (as the Democrats wish our Constitution was) it is a living document. It will be debated, changes will be made and then it will be reconciled (if it passes) with the House Bill (remember all of this Kabuki is now centered upon the Senate) and then and only then will we fully know what is in the bill.

Does that help you understand? Those people weren't concerned about what was in the bill, they're all probably collecting disability, Medicare or Medicaid, because it won't affect them! They are unassailable victims being wheeled out to elicit strong emotions.

Period. End of Story.

I'm going to do a search. Gonna try to find a summary somewhere.

It's just beyond me that people (not just on this forum) go bananas over stuff they don't even bother to read on. And yes, I agree its mainly the Democrats that aim to leverage emotions.

Wish me luck

 

[Conager]

You're absolutely right about people not having read it. Keep in mind that the senators themselves don't have all the details because no one has read this huge bill same problem with the first bill the ACA.

Even seen one single comment from a liberal on lit that suggests that they've even read any kind of summary about what's actually in this bill. All they know is the Facebook means that we're already ready to go before this bill was even drafted.

This one is decent.

http://reason.com/blog/2017/06/22/the-senate-gops-new-health-care-bill-is

 

[EternalFantasies]

I started reading some stuff. Thing is, even when making a summary of today's bill, it assumes the reader knows what were the details in the previous one. So it says: this was changed to this. and i'm like: well what was that in the first place??

Someone is writing these bills tho. Why aren't they coming out and explaining them?

I know politicians don't read them, well, who the fuck writes them? Show ur faces!


So far, if anyone would like to help shed light, here's my two links im giving a shot:

General understanding of the system:

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1913707,00.html

You click on each link in the user guide. It's sequential and east section is short.


Today's Bill:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...etails-trumpcare-bill-vote-expected-next-week



It is kinda frustrating and challenging. But Americans who have been into these terms and the history etc are far more qualified to make sens of this in a shorter time and easier way.

Damn you AJ. Read this instead today

 

[water505]

Obamacare was a disaster, regardless of the lies from the left. Whatever the GOP comes up with won't be much better. Of course leftists are playing their tried and true class warfare/bash the rich card. The truth is once you create an entitlement it's almost impossible to take it back.

Government interference in the marketplace screwed up healthcare a long time ago. Obamacare is a classic example of the government trying to "fix" a problem they themselves created. As usual, they only made it worse. Now they're going to try to fix the fix, and we all know what happens next.

When the government sticks its nose where it doesn't belong the bureaucracy gets bigger, costs go up and quality of services declines. You can bet your life on it.

 

[JohnnySavage]

You're absolutely right about people not having read it. Keep in mind that the senators themselves don't have all the details because no one has read this huge bill same problem with the first bill the ACA.

Even seen one single comment from a liberal on lit that suggests that they've even read any kind of summary about what's actually in this bill. All they know is the Facebook means that we're already ready to go before this bill was even drafted.

This one is decent.

http://reason.com/blog/2017/06/22/the-senate-gops-new-health-care-bill-is

https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SENATEHEALTHCARE.pdf

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Obamacare was a disaster, regardless of the lies from the left. Whatever the GOP comes up with won't be much better. Of course leftists are playing their tried and true class warfare/bash the rich card. The truth is once you create an entitlement it's almost impossible to take it back.

Government interference in the marketplace screwed up healthcare a long time ago. Obamacare is a classic example of the government trying to "fix" a problem they themselves created. As usual, they only made it worse. Now they're going to try to fix the fix, and we all know what happens next.

When the government sticks its nose where it doesn't belong the bureaucracy gets bigger, costs go up and quality of services declines. You can bet your life on it.

Government exists to enrich the elites and make jobs for Ivanka and Chelsea.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Obamacare was a disaster, regardless of the lies from the left. Whatever the GOP comes up with won't be much better. Of course leftists are playing their tried and true class warfare/bash the rich card. The truth is once you create an entitlement it's almost impossible to take it back.

Government interference in the marketplace screwed up healthcare a long time ago. Obamacare is a classic example of the government trying to "fix" a problem they themselves created. As usual, they only made it worse. Now they're going to try to fix the fix, and we all know what happens next.

When the government sticks its nose where it doesn't belong the bureaucracy gets bigger, costs go up and quality of services declines. You can bet your life on it.

And if only you could substantiate this with examples from the healthcare program and how in it what you said was true, and have done that historically, then over the years, you wouldn't have become as clueless to your own healthcare system as most Americans seem to be.

 

[Comshaw]

Why don't you make that your job?


You can play Alan Colmes...


Find me some.


Please.









Make it recent, not week-old fish because YESTERDAY the Democrat leadership was accusing Republicans of murder...

But..but..but..but....what they did in the past doesn't mean anything! Old news! Fake news! AJ one of the premier casuist of the GB.


cas·u·ist
1: a person who uses clever but unsound reasoning, especially in relation to moral questions; a sophist.


Comshaw

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Why don't you make that your job?


You can play Alan Colmes...


Find me some.


Please.









Make it recent, not week-old fish because YESTERDAY the Democrat leadership was accusing Republicans of murder...

Never saw one of those electrics plugged into a tree out in the middle of nowhere. Or 40 miles of 'get the hell out of here' in Gerry cans on the back bumper. But they'll get you from LAX to Wiltshire, and back, maybe.

I keep encouraging the hand wringers to commit suicide. It's my personal idea re. recycling.

Ishmael

This recent enough?

 

[hsnh]

Someone who lives in the States told me that americans didn't use to be as irreconciably polarized in politics, as they are today. And that it all started getting worse since the Bush ara.

I wonder why that is.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Give me some examples. "Talk Radio" is not an example.


I could use NPR and describe opinions that I do not agree with as "Hate Speech."


Too too easy. Show me where Rush, Levin, Hannity, Beck, Loesch, pick one, is calling the Democrats every name in the book accusing them of wanting people to die, etc.


I'm sure it will be too, too easy to find something from yesterday that matched the heated rhetoric of the Democrats over a bill THEY HADN'T EVEN FUCKING READ!

Just how much shit are you going to swallow before you realize that there is no free lunch? All the shit you think is going to create 'clean' energy is just as dirty, or more so, than the energy sources you want to eliminate.

You've bought the whole schtick. If co2 was such a pollutant, you and your fellow gullible's should be eliminated first.

Just imagine, the co2 emissions (that poisonous gas) that you will emit for the rest of your life will be subtracted from the total. As will all the co2 produced in the gro0wing, processing, and transportation of all the food you'll eat. Food that just as well could be consumed by someone of sound mind and contributing to the overall economy.

Sound harsh? Yeah, I agree. But you aren't any part of any solution, you ARE part of the problem...............kill yourself and put us all out of your misery.

Ishmael

If you didn't like the first example.

 

[hsnh]

My most loyal follower. The only one who pays attention & answers to every single one of my posts.

Who would have guessed that I would get a serious answer, or that didn't involve the word "paki" from him?

 

[OldJourno]

Yes, a simple tax cut for millionaires that will remove health care from 24 million people.

.

How would that happen? Would these 24 million be escorted from clinics and emergency rooms?

 

[Pookie]

What did Johhny Depp mean when he said this:

“When was the last time an actor assassinated a President?

“I want to qualify, I am not an actor. I lie for a living.

“However, it has been a while and maybe it is time.”

Did he mean it was time for another lie or time for an actor to kill another President?

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/8b/8bcee04ab73e46516b933048dc1232a504f8382d2371853f3ff95672f17faa76.jpg

And Kennie Kraft doesn't count.

 

[Disgustipated]

I didn't think it was possible but you twatsicles whine more now than when Obama was making your pathetic lives even more miserable. No one trails from ahead better than you dummies.

 

[Adre]

I didn't think it was possible but you twatsicles whine more now than when Obama was making your pathetic lives even more miserable. No one trails from ahead better than you dummies.

They really are a bouquet of fragile flowers aren't they?

 

[Ramone45]

Musicians, actors, sports people and most news media are trained monkeys that exist for my pleasure, I pay them to entertain me, but that's it. I have zero interest in their opinions. They should just perform for me, take my money, then shut the fuck up.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Tell us, you right-wing know-it-alls, how Medicaid is "bad" for society...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DC9sMQLVwAAPkpg.jpg