Canucklehead922
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There are worse things to do to a person than to kill them.
The Death Penalty
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Always
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But Siren... being born is a death sentence. The penalty of life itself is that someday you will die. Whether you have a terrible life in jail due to your crimes-which, in some cases, might be deserved-or if you're Mother Teresa, you're gonna die. Not enough people accept that. Life is only precious when it exists.
Jester-I get what you're saying about not being able to pull the switch. I could do that. I think I've been an executor in a past life, or maybe an assassin. I'm a Justice; I may not decide the sentence but I could carry it out if I thought it fit the crime from a totally emotionless POV.
Jester-I get what you're saying about not being able to pull the switch. I could do that. I think I've been an executor in a past life, or maybe an assassin. I'm a Justice; I may not decide the sentence but I could carry it out if I thought it fit the crime from a totally emotionless POV.
Whispersecret
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I'm under no illusions that in every case justice is being served. Hey, I watch Law and Order, just like everyone else! Heh heh. I realize it's a vastly imperfect system. I may be primitive in my thinking on this issue, but I stand firmly on the side of the social rightness of administering the death penalty.
<heaves a sigh> Let me out of this thread. I need some levity.
<heaves a sigh> Let me out of this thread. I need some levity.
Stormystarr
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The things I could tell you...
I know the death penalty is right! I have personal experience in this area. None of you could ever guess how close to home this hits!!! This person ruined my life as well as many others that are still here. And no, he didn't do anything physical to me, just my mind which can be just as bad if not worse sometimes. I dream of him and wake up in cold sweats, afraid to move for fear of him being alive still. In my opinion, he got off way too easy. Leathal Injection...come on people, whats up with this. All they do is basicaly go to sleep and never wake up. If it had been my choice, the electric chair would have been perfect and I would've loved to have been in the room to smell his burning flesh, instead of behind a window.
Please don't think bad of me for writing this.
I know the death penalty is right! I have personal experience in this area. None of you could ever guess how close to home this hits!!! This person ruined my life as well as many others that are still here. And no, he didn't do anything physical to me, just my mind which can be just as bad if not worse sometimes. I dream of him and wake up in cold sweats, afraid to move for fear of him being alive still. In my opinion, he got off way too easy. Leathal Injection...come on people, whats up with this. All they do is basicaly go to sleep and never wake up. If it had been my choice, the electric chair would have been perfect and I would've loved to have been in the room to smell his burning flesh, instead of behind a window.
Please don't think bad of me for writing this.
Weird Harold
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I have to make one other observation about the death penalty vs "life without parole."
The the best of my knowledge, no person who was executed has ever escaped.
The death penalty as it is now implemented, is far from perfect. There is far to much leeway for political or personal factors to affect the way it is applied. The cost of the death penalty is driven to outrageous extremes by well meaning opponenets who persist in filing appeals and obsturction legal quibbles, even against the wishes of the condemned!
Legislators need to clearly define those crimes which warrant the death penalty; establish a procedure for automatic review by an appellate court, followed by a review by the supreme court; establish funding for every forensic test availbel that might provide evidence to clear the acccused; and set a date no more than 24 hours after the final review for the execution to be carried out.
People think nothing of shooting a mad dog as being a threat to society, but cry great alligator tears over people like Charles Manson and try to get him paroled.
Charles Manson is one example of a creature who should be returned to the wheel of life so he can be reincarnated to the bug's life his karma has earned him. Instead, the state of California has fed, clothed and housed him for over thirty years. No, he has not had a life of freedom, and he is not "pampered", but I shudder everytime I think that he may once have breathed one molecule of the same air I do.
The the best of my knowledge, no person who was executed has ever escaped.
The death penalty as it is now implemented, is far from perfect. There is far to much leeway for political or personal factors to affect the way it is applied. The cost of the death penalty is driven to outrageous extremes by well meaning opponenets who persist in filing appeals and obsturction legal quibbles, even against the wishes of the condemned!
Legislators need to clearly define those crimes which warrant the death penalty; establish a procedure for automatic review by an appellate court, followed by a review by the supreme court; establish funding for every forensic test availbel that might provide evidence to clear the acccused; and set a date no more than 24 hours after the final review for the execution to be carried out.
People think nothing of shooting a mad dog as being a threat to society, but cry great alligator tears over people like Charles Manson and try to get him paroled.
Charles Manson is one example of a creature who should be returned to the wheel of life so he can be reincarnated to the bug's life his karma has earned him. Instead, the state of California has fed, clothed and housed him for over thirty years. No, he has not had a life of freedom, and he is not "pampered", but I shudder everytime I think that he may once have breathed one molecule of the same air I do.
Always
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Why is it naive and idiotic? Because you don't agree?
With all the laws there are today, you're NOT free, no matter what you do. Can you go out into a forest and cultivate marijuana - a perfectly harmless, 100% natural herb? No. why not? 'Cause it's not legal. There's a lot of things that aren't "legal".
You don't always die of illness or old age. More people die of violent, intentional means today than in any year before (worldwide). Only some 30% of people die of natural causes (which includes old age).
And you know everything? I know what I'm saying and I know what I mean. My "lack of insight" and "immaturity" are, IMO, just a different way of seeing things. I might not be world-wise or really experienced, and that may add to my sheltered words, but it's still a valid opinion.
Raw intelligence, you could say. Untrained great mind.
I'm not saying it should be for revenge. I'm saying it should be for justice. If you go out and intentionally murder a little child - whose worst crime has been to say the word, "Damn!" - then capitol punishment should at least be an option.
I'm also not looking at the legal point of it all. I'm looking at whether the crime is worthy of the punishment. Someone totally uninvolved in the case should be allowed to read over the evidence and have a few words to say. A judge has to be fair, yes, and reasonable, but not callous.
Mental anguish? Sorry, immune to the stuff. I don't fear (any certain person, arachnaphobia doesn't count); just hate.
Bring out the guillotine!
[Edited by Shila on 10-01-2000 at 03:53 PM]
With all the laws there are today, you're NOT free, no matter what you do. Can you go out into a forest and cultivate marijuana - a perfectly harmless, 100% natural herb? No. why not? 'Cause it's not legal. There's a lot of things that aren't "legal".
You don't always die of illness or old age. More people die of violent, intentional means today than in any year before (worldwide). Only some 30% of people die of natural causes (which includes old age).
And you know everything? I know what I'm saying and I know what I mean. My "lack of insight" and "immaturity" are, IMO, just a different way of seeing things. I might not be world-wise or really experienced, and that may add to my sheltered words, but it's still a valid opinion.
Raw intelligence, you could say. Untrained great mind.
I'm not saying it should be for revenge. I'm saying it should be for justice. If you go out and intentionally murder a little child - whose worst crime has been to say the word, "Damn!" - then capitol punishment should at least be an option.
I'm also not looking at the legal point of it all. I'm looking at whether the crime is worthy of the punishment. Someone totally uninvolved in the case should be allowed to read over the evidence and have a few words to say. A judge has to be fair, yes, and reasonable, but not callous.
Mental anguish? Sorry, immune to the stuff. I don't fear (any certain person, arachnaphobia doesn't count); just hate.
Bring out the guillotine!
[Edited by Shila on 10-01-2000 at 03:53 PM]
wolfy
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Well if you don't believe that our conciousness continues
on after death. And we don't remember anything from this
life afterwards. Then anything that happens to you in this
life will eventually be over and even the worst torment
is just temporary. I don't believe anyone should have to
go through that tho. I also don't think there are any
other animals that torture eachother like us humans do.
If a person is "mad" or a danger to society and there
is no way to help him then kill him period or at least
give him the choice of death over jail sentances etc.
If I had some problem that made me want to hurt others
I would thank who ever killed me if I couldn't do it
myself. I strongly believe that if you can help anyone
who is still alive enjoy their life better or make it
more usefull/rewarding for them then you should. Even
if they have commited a crime. If the crime is to
horrible then kill them....other wise help them.
We don't do either. We torment them. If I was ever
put into jail and I didn't kill myself for some reason
I'd be extremly mad. I am pretty sure i'd off myself
because I wouldn't want to be mad at everyone and hate
people but if you are stuck in a cell with no choices
I can see easily how it could happen. Our prison system
SUCKS!
With the internet etc you could so make peoples lives
lives easier in jail. Maybe they could even enjoy
themselves. There are online games you can play up
the yazoo....ok so you don't want the prisoners
communicating with people outside? Only make the
links between comps inside the jail. Have goals
and training available and jobs that pay money
that you can use to buy things. You can even have
credit in the jail system. Basically they know you
are going to be there. You can rent a computer and
all the accesories if you work 8 hours at some job
etc. I realize that this might reduce the amount of
incentive people have to stay out of jail. If jail
was club med everyone might do crimes etc. Well i'm
sorry but I just don't belive in hell after death and
I really don't think we should be creating hell on
earth for people. If someone raped or killed a friend
of mine I might think differently but then I wouldn't
be thinking straight. I think the people who havn't
had extremely violent crimes done to them or people
they love should be the ones to figure out how to
deal with criminals. *Shrug* Basically I guess i'm
for the death penalty if the inmate wants it or in
any extremly violent etc cases under the current
system. But i reiterate that I totally think our
current system SUCKS and I wish we could have a
more humane one.
Ps. I've never been in jail. Only ticket i've ever
gotten was for not wearing a seat belt laugh. Btw
at the time when I got it, I didn't have a drivers
licence. I threw the ticket away *I was young* and
when I went to go get my license eventually it was
up to over 200$ *live and learn*
on after death. And we don't remember anything from this
life afterwards. Then anything that happens to you in this
life will eventually be over and even the worst torment
is just temporary. I don't believe anyone should have to
go through that tho. I also don't think there are any
other animals that torture eachother like us humans do.
If a person is "mad" or a danger to society and there
is no way to help him then kill him period or at least
give him the choice of death over jail sentances etc.
If I had some problem that made me want to hurt others
I would thank who ever killed me if I couldn't do it
myself. I strongly believe that if you can help anyone
who is still alive enjoy their life better or make it
more usefull/rewarding for them then you should. Even
if they have commited a crime. If the crime is to
horrible then kill them....other wise help them.
We don't do either. We torment them. If I was ever
put into jail and I didn't kill myself for some reason
I'd be extremly mad. I am pretty sure i'd off myself
because I wouldn't want to be mad at everyone and hate
people but if you are stuck in a cell with no choices
I can see easily how it could happen. Our prison system
SUCKS!
With the internet etc you could so make peoples lives
lives easier in jail. Maybe they could even enjoy
themselves. There are online games you can play up
the yazoo....ok so you don't want the prisoners
communicating with people outside? Only make the
links between comps inside the jail. Have goals
and training available and jobs that pay money
that you can use to buy things. You can even have
credit in the jail system. Basically they know you
are going to be there. You can rent a computer and
all the accesories if you work 8 hours at some job
etc. I realize that this might reduce the amount of
incentive people have to stay out of jail. If jail
was club med everyone might do crimes etc. Well i'm
sorry but I just don't belive in hell after death and
I really don't think we should be creating hell on
earth for people. If someone raped or killed a friend
of mine I might think differently but then I wouldn't
be thinking straight. I think the people who havn't
had extremely violent crimes done to them or people
they love should be the ones to figure out how to
deal with criminals. *Shrug* Basically I guess i'm
for the death penalty if the inmate wants it or in
any extremly violent etc cases under the current
system. But i reiterate that I totally think our
current system SUCKS and I wish we could have a
more humane one.
Ps. I've never been in jail. Only ticket i've ever
gotten was for not wearing a seat belt laugh. Btw
at the time when I got it, I didn't have a drivers
licence. I threw the ticket away *I was young* and
when I went to go get my license eventually it was
up to over 200$ *live and learn*
GuyJD
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LET THE PUNISHMENT FIT THE CRIME
I have to agree with Siren. As an ex-cop, I have been there to encounter the victims and the perpetrators alike. Try looking a 14 year old boy in the face and tell him that the 45 year man who touched him deserves to live to do that to another child. Imagine listening to a person in the back seat of a patrol car who is constantly crying and yelling that they are innocent and that they didn't do anything. Yet their victim lying dead in their own blood can no longer cry and yell for help. I'm not saying to sit a shoplifter in an electric chair or help a dead beat dad to his lethal injection table. But like the old cliche', LET THE PUNISHMENT FIT THE CRIME.
I have to agree with Siren. As an ex-cop, I have been there to encounter the victims and the perpetrators alike. Try looking a 14 year old boy in the face and tell him that the 45 year man who touched him deserves to live to do that to another child. Imagine listening to a person in the back seat of a patrol car who is constantly crying and yelling that they are innocent and that they didn't do anything. Yet their victim lying dead in their own blood can no longer cry and yell for help. I'm not saying to sit a shoplifter in an electric chair or help a dead beat dad to his lethal injection table. But like the old cliche', LET THE PUNISHMENT FIT THE CRIME.
OUTSIDER
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sorry Shila I can not agree with you on this one, life is not something anyone has the right to take away, the only exception is suicide, this is not a subject I'v thought long about an dmy answer is a gut reaction but life is life and murder is murder weather by an indervidual or by a government.
